From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #313 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 04 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- possible liz titles: [Dan MacDonald ] Intro and Top 10 [John-Paul Finger ] ten and then some [JR? ] Re: support-system-digest V4 #311 ["overpavement" Subject: possible liz titles: A few more liz titles - can you tell i am trying to find excuses not to study? 1) FALLIntoTheGap 2) All Wrongs Reversed 3) For My Whiny Fans (Can't Get Out of What I'm Into) 4) "Finally" 5) Exile. Period. 6) Julie Johnson Soundtrack (Yep - I'm Only Releasing 4 Songs This Year And I'm Gonna Try to Pass It Off as My New Album) 7) Miss Fortune 8) "forthcoming" - and it would be italicized. 9) Divorce Songs 10) "soon to be released" - again - it would be in italics and we would only see it in magazine blurbs. Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:04:17 -0600 From: John-Paul Finger Subject: Intro and Top 10 Hello to all, I've been a lurker on the list for at least the last two years, but for some odd reason I feel like introducing myself and more importantly put in my own two cents on the best releases of 2001. Maybe I just don't want to study for finals... or maybe its just the right time =). As an intro, I'm a 21 year old Management Information Systems Senior at The University of Texas at Austin in the business school. Yes, Austin is all that you hear about it and more - I love it here. My two muses are Liz Phair and Winona Ryder. I first heard Liz on 120 Minutes when I was a wee-little teenager in Junior High School when they showed the Supernova video. I don't remember having any real thought during the song. I guess it was utter awe. I didn't think about getting the cd or anything, but the next time I was at the record store I went straight to the Liz section. Its an eerie thing actually - she implanted herself in my subconscious and I still can't get her out of it. One of the stories I tell people about my Liz Phair addiction is from the 1998 Lillith Fair in Houston, Texas, her only show ever played in Texas to my knowledge. I went with my girlfriend at the time. Of the almost two years we were together (mind you this was in high school), the *one* time she was ever jealous was at that show - I was completely mesmerized (pun intended) by Liz. On a tragic note, I waited in line for what seemed like hours to meet Liz and when I was a scant 3 people away in line they took her back stage. Sure I grabbed the last copy of the WCSE promotional poster that she was signing, but its just not the same as meeting her and having her signature. Yes, it is a tale of woe, but psychologists would tell me it builds character I suppose. My musical taste is a tad bit strange, but whose isn't? As you'll see in my top 10, I like everything except country. I really can't get over the fact that the songs do nothing for me musically and the fact that most of them do not write their own material. I'm sure there is talent in Country music, but I have yet to see it or feel it. Anyway, my main genres of the moment are emo/poppunk/punk, movie scores, and "chick rock" as my friends call it (ie: Liz, Tori Amos, Hole, Natalie Merchant, Poe, Dido). I am very aware that I am a sucker for strong front-women: Liz being an obvious example. A friend of mine also got me into K's Choice a few months ago and I really like them. Its too bad that a lot of their best material (Almost Happy for example) hasn't been released over here in the states yet. On the other hand, I also enjoy Type O Negative, Dream Theater, 80's rock (Monster Ballads), DMX, Busta Rhymes, Sublime, Dinosaur Jr., Cat Stevens, The Cure, Sonic Youth, Pink Floyd, etc... the list could go on for pages but I'll stop hogging bandwidth, etc. Movie Scores are very important to me. It all started with the original score for the first Crow movie by Graeme Revell. Its incredible - simply amazing. Yes, I have six soundtracks that are related to the three Crow movies - the "regular" soundtracks and the scores. My other favorite scores are Aliens, Devil's Advocate, Dark City, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, Stigmata, Edward Scissorhands, Gladiator (yes, the Gladiator Waltz is worth buying the disc as brought up a day or so ago on the list), Rushmore, and the Fifth Element. TV-wise I've watched Ally McBeal from the initial start years ago. The other shows I watch daily are Buffy, the Simpsons, Family Guy, and Dragonball Z. DBZ is greatness, no matter how old you are. I love the gap commercials. Sell out, schmell out... You've got to pay the bills so you might as well be musical about it and look good. Living in Austin, I hear about "selling-out" all the time and it kinda bothers me. Yes there is a point that musicality is compromised, but you can't blame people for fulfilling the well-brainwashed "American Dream." I'll stop on the subject though - the last thing I want is another back-and-forth about the merits of "selling out." The scary thing for me was knowing Liz was coming up the first time I saw the Gap commercial. The first one I saw was with Seal, Alanis, etc. What caught my mind was the tie-in of all of them to the Breathe benefit. The idea of Liz being on there passed through my mind, but I dismissed it as an impossibility. When I saw the Liz commercial although, I heard one of her beautiful lower overtones (not an oxymoron, right?) during the Lisa Lopez section and my heart jumped well ahead of my mind decoding who exactly it was.... and BOOM, there she was on television. Hows that for a Liz moment. Alright, I'll stop boring people with my random tangents and get to the lists. Top 10 2001 releases, in no particular order: 1. Jimmy Eat World - Bleed American 2. Saves the Day - Stay What You Are 3. Air - 10,000 Hz Legend 4. K's Choice - Live (.EU only, but worth the import along with Almost Happy) 5. Weezer - The Green Album 6. Tenacious D 7. Dashboard Confessional - The Places that You've Come to Fear the Most 8. John Carpenter (with Anthrax, Steve Vai, etc) - Ghosts of Mars Soundtrack 9. Toonami - Deep Space Bass 10. Cruiserweight - This Will Undoubtedly Come Out Wrong Cruiserweight is a local Austin band - check out www.cruiserweight.com and listen to Stella rip into her songs....just incredible. They were also finalists at the Pantene Pro-voice competition earlier this year. Honorable Mention: Built to Spill - Ancient Melodies of the Future Forty Second Scandals - Eudaimonia (Austin, TX band) Dream Theater - Live Scenes from New York (scary cover-art and everything) James Horner - Aliens - Soundtrack (Deluxe Edition) Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue And what I'm looking forward to in 2002: Liz Phair (of course) Bad Religion - The Process of Belief Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Chemical Brothers - Chemical Four Whatever Courtney Love ends up doing. Alright, I'm done for now. Hopefully I'll stay away from lurking so much now that I've taken the initial step. John-Paul Finger Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:07:05 -0800 From: JR? Subject: ten and then some 1. regeneration - the divine comedy 2. old ramon - red house painters 3. nightsongs - stars 4. azure ray - azure ray 5. the photo album - death cab for cutie 6. from here on in - south 7. howdy - teenage fanclub 8. stephen malkmus - stephen malkmus 9. standards - tortoise 0. what's next to the moon - mark kozelek amnesiac - radiohead 604 - ladytron gift - curve get ready - new order 10,000 hz legend - air the green album - weezer all is dream - mercury rev all this sounds gas - preston school of industry discovery - daft punk red thread - arab strap interlude - saint etienne rings around the world - super furry animals gorillaz - gorillaz rock action - mogwai the invisible band - travis long distance - ivy sound dust - stereolab wonderland - the charlatans the joy of - sing-sing acre thrills - u.s. maple we love life - pulp back from 1.5 year hiatus, daniel amelie ryder http://red.innervosa.net/ http://originalfools.com/groophug/ icq-1010543 aim-coxonryder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:02:32 -0500 From: "overpavement" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #311 personal top 10 of a fair-to-middlin' year: - - god bless the blake babies - - soundtrack to 'the royal tenenbaums' (the ramones, nick drake, velvets, nico, and elliott smith's version of 'hey jude') - - pete yorn musicforthemorningafter - - lucinda williams essence - - gini dodds mellowdrama - - pearljam seattle/barcelona (these two are just great top to bottom. i'd give the nod to seattle, just because it's 3 discs, and it has the nothingman, leatherman, betterman combo, plus jeremy, off he goes, soon forget, the kids are alright, baba o'reilly, and not for you. barcelona, though, has the long road, black, and i got shit, which are essentials. both have great versions of the supreme 'yellow ledbetter' to close the shows, though seattle's version is a notch above. but either of these collections is just evidence of what a great band pearl jam still is. people might long for another 'ten' or 'vs', but their catalog continues to grow with ridiculously great songs. and, btw, i am *not* a huge pearl jam fan; i just really love these cd's) - - u2 all that u can't leave behind (it came out last year, i guess, but it is so good, and after the crap that went on in september, it was the first cd that brought me out of my mental funk. it's eerie how appropriate this album was to that post-traumatic stress time. from 'it's a beautiful day' to 'new york' and 'grace', it was a tonic) - - kasey chambers - the captain - - the strokes is this it - - ryan adams gold (and, frankly, these last two are a bit of a reach. like 'em both, but could just as easily have listed 'beautifulgarbage' or 'love&theft', which are probably both better than either, but i just haven't had time to absorb them enough yet. i also liked the first billy bragg/wilco effort, 'mermaid avenue', but it's pretty old. i got a vinyl copy and really like it a lot.) biggest disappointment? REM - reveal (UP was actually good, though it was no 'pageant' or 'automatic'. this, to me, reveals nothing so much as what happens when a rock band loses the only member who still wants to rock, and decides to become as irrelevant as possible. i *am* a big REM fan, have been since 'murmur'. but this is a load. u2 and pearl jam show what a long-time band can do when it aims high. REM seems to just be sharing a private joke. and, the more influence michael stipe wields, the worse this band gets. when bill was still the drummer, michael only counted for 25% of the votes. now he's 33%, and the other two don't seem to care very much about adding any dynamics to an otherwise dreary drone) looking forward to what in 2002? - - liz - - evan dando (he's starting to tour a bit, which is a promising sign) - - allison moorer (shelby lynne's sister, and both of her first two albums are great country discs; i prefer her music to shelby's by a mile) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #313 ************************************