From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #292 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 13 2001 Volume 04 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] uncle alvarez ["Katie Derdoski" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:58:24 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: "cheddarcat" Subject: only son 'only son' didn't really strike me at first but it has grown on me .... my favorite line i think is 'i think i'll soon leave the meadow, i see my shadow'. and, about its being autobiographical -- what always makes me wonder is where she says 'all these things i have done to my little little sister, when i try to support her, she dont believe me why should she i hurt her, i mean i hurt her' --- woo. i just wonder what was up with that. whoever said this seems like a revenge sort of song, i can see it there, if this song is autobiographical... and i think it is, too, i think i read that interview somewhere where she said it was written from her brother's pt of view. well, sorry, this post will bounce i'm sure and by the time it shows up the topic won't be relevant no mo... judy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:00:59 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: "Lauren Powell" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #288 I LOVE EVERY SONG LIZ WRITES maybe i'm just so in love with her that i'll take anything i can get, but i can't seem to find a problem with any of liz's songs and/or any of her albums. and gerry, i like only son too, the slow beat makes me tap my feet. only son kinda reminds me of stuck on an island. they're both slow and a few people i know don't dig them. i like both songs...i like all her songs. i like love/hate transimission! when she's going that ha-ing thing... and guys, guys, guys can we stop the fighting? if you dig exile more; great. and if you can't find fault with WSCE like me; awesome. Plus, whip smart is so much fun and underrated. if you're just as crazy in love with liz like me, you'll be rotating all her albums in your cd player. the other day i woke up and had to hear dogs of LA. and hurricane cindy!! saturday saturday saturday saturday... lauren will play: stratford on guy, shane, go on ahead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:02:27 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: edemast Subject: RE: support-system-digest V4 #286 I haven't posted in quite a long time, but I read the listserv every day and, like you all, I want some new Liz material!! In response to Steve and Rob's debate, I just want to say that I'm no musical expert, and like most people I am a sucker for a good polished pop tune (hard to admit, but true) but as much as WCSE has grown on me over the past few years, it will never surpass the bold defiance that to me is EIG. It's morning, and I'm still waking up, so forgive me for not being as articulate as Steve and Rob, but EIG really is a moment in time. It defined the indie-rock scene in the early 90s, it gave the women of Gen-X a voice, not to mention that it was a wholly original musical work. And Liz, with her clever, brainy honesty juxtaposed against her nervousness performing live, was for once a REAL female role model, self-assured and vulnerable at the same time. Unfortunately, moment to moment, things change. For better or worse, Liz's musical sound has changed, and her life has changed. She has evolved, and sometimes as we all know it's hard to accept an artist we love evolving. I agree with Steve that EIG is a certifiably brilliant album--a classic, incomparable in its originality and honesty. When I listen to it, which is at least once a week, it is like taking a look in the mirror. No other album I listen to does that to me. Last night I went to a David Sedaris reading, and his writing does a similar thing to me that Liz's writing does--through humor, hyper self-awareness, and self-loathing, it makes me better understand myself. Let's call it catharsis. That being said, however, Liz is an artist--she has no choice but to write about what's happening to her. It's what she does. Rather than fight her evolution, we should evolve with her, because I know that if we do (as those of us who have embraced WCSE have realized) her music will always be a cathartic, and ultimately a joyous, experience. And if no one else gets it but us, then good, because we know we're the better for listening. Run me around again, Emma ********************************************************************* "A good movie can take you out of your dull funk and the hopelessness that so often goes with slipping into a theater; a good movie can make you feel alive again, in contact, not just lost in another city. Good movies make you care, make you believe in possibilities again . . . Sitting there alone or painfully alone because those with you do not react as you do, you know there must be others perhaps in this very theater or in this city, surely in other theaters in other cities, now, in the past or future, who react as you do. And because movies are the most total and encompassing art form we have, these reactions can seem the most personal and, maybe the most important, imaginable. The romance of movies is not just in those stories and those people on the screen but in the adolescent dream of meeting others who feel as you do about what you've seen. You do meet them, of course. . . . " -Pauline Kael Emma Demastrie edemast@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:45:08 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: JJewelbaby@aol.com Subject: Help, phans! Hello all- I need some help from Liz phans! I am writing a paper for my English professor about Liz Phair and her influence on the music scene (in particular, _Exile_) Can someone please point me in the direction of good articles, reviews, etc that I can use? I should probably just go to Ken's site, I know, but I was wondering if there are any other good places to check online? Thanks!! :) ~Julie Jjewelbaby@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:46:02 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: "Liz B" Subject: for sandra--- sorry I had to post here, but I lost your e-mail. just wanted to let you know I received the cd's today. I haven't had much time to listen yet, but they'll be along when i leave for vacation tonite :) thanks again, liz b. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:08:49 -0500 From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: 'tis to laugh dp wrote: >and for the record, i actually was *not* readily available; i never am. i'm >usually too busy correcting spelling errors in the entire works of dickens, >reformulating DNA, or designing spiffy outfits for me and my "astro-friends." hee haw!! LOL...thanks Dana...I needed a good laugh on monday! Seriously, we can all agree to disagree on all this BS floating around (mine included)...BUT all this infighting is a good primer for thanksgiving dinner with the inlaws. However....................there........will> be..../ much....less....punctuation....served.... DarkSide oftheMoon "I didn't think it was possible, but this both sucks and blows." Bart Simpson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:46:05 -0600 From: "Katie Derdoski" Subject: uncle alvarez I don't like Uncle Alvarez either, and I was surprised to see how many people did. I think the standout tracks should include Perfect World, What Makes you Happy, and Polyester Bride. I like Baby Got Going, although I agree that I prefer the lower-fi sound of EIG and WS. I don't think that just because I prefer the lower-fi sound doesn't mean that WCSE isn't a masterpiece. I'm not totally amazed by some of the tracks, but I couldn't write 'em, so I guess that means I wouldnt' be able to do better. Therefore I suspend much criticism. I did get to know Liz through WS, so....that's probably why I prefer EIG and WS. I do know many people who got her through Polyester Bride,a nd ended up loving the album. And I really don't think it's selling out. (at the risk of bringing up a touchy subject.)katie River Poet Search Naivete....Pick up here and chase the ride/The river empties to the tide...All of this is coming your way... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #292 ************************************