From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #285 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 6 2001 Volume 04 : Number 285 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Gary Clark and Liz... ["Michael Honaker" ] Non Liz - Mayor of the Sunset Strip [ReallyHip@aol.com] capitol records' puppet [RocketBoyD@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V4 #284 [Sexililgurl@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V4 #284 [Jase ] Re: capitol records' puppet [AWeiss4338@aol.com] in defense of Sheryl ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] Re: in defense of Sheryl [RbSayre@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 02:40:57 -0500 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: Gary Clark and Liz... Ok ok... Everyone's talking about it so I should jump in and say... I may have missed something (which I usually don't) but... Are we 100% sure that Clark is helping Liz with the lyrics - or is he merely helping her write the music and such...? Like I said, I may have missed something, but I thought I'd better ask. It seems theres a lot of opinions against the album before it even comes out (which no doubt is somehow Capitol's fault), but for me I'd rather wait and see what happens when I hear it. If it sucks, it sucks. If not, then thats great. I had to listen to the egg maybe 5 or six times before I actually got into it. I still find it kind of difficult to listen to it all the way through. Thank god for vinyl, side one is better than side two, in my opinion. I think I mainly avoid side two because it starts off with "Only Son"... which is... well... (my opinion again...).......a waste of space on an album. I can bear it, but I'd rather listen to the one on the WCSE sessions instead. In fact, I think the sessions discs held versions that (my opinion again) with a little more tweaking could have blown the others away... and then there were the songs that didn't even make it that were good... Russian Girl, Bars Of The Bed.. blah blah blah. Maybe sometime something will surface after the album and we'll be able to hear the versions before they got all messed up with producing and crap like that... (that is.. if they sound like crap when they're done.) Not to keep rambling on... but the Capitol Records thing... Why does it seem like Liz doesn't really have much control over this new record? And does anyone really know like how many records they're requiring out of her before she can split? Geez... does she *want* to split..? Too many questions. Maybe she's happy with Capitol. Maybe she's happy with Gary Clark. Maybe Liz will suprise everyone and come up with something shocking again. Hell, maybe then I'll take Poe out of the car and replace her for Liz. But then again... I really don't think anything can top "Haunted". (once again - my opinion.) I mean - Poe sounds a little like Liz, so I guess thats whats been holding me over since the new album has been delayed...and delayed...and delayed... and delayed. I just hate Capitol. Kinda like the way Maverick keeps pushing back Alanis' new record, from what I've heard. Aah well. Michael ============================== "...theres someone knocking in the wall." ============================== http://suprnova.lunamorena.net ============================== ============================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:29:08 EST From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: Non Liz - Mayor of the Sunset Strip New Documentary film features Poe, Shirley Manson, Courtney Love, Tori Amos and more... Mayor of The Sunset Strip A Film by George Hickenlooper - Produced by Christopher Carter Press Release Spring, 2001 A documentary film based on the life of L.A. scene-maker and DJ, Rodney Bingenheimer, has finished it's principal shooting with a flurry of last minute additions to an already huge cast of characters. Telling their stories of fame, fortune and all things "Rodney" include: David Bowie, Cher, Courtney Love, Brian Wilson, Brooke Shields, Beck, Tori Amos, The Go-Go's, Blondie, The Ramones, Supergrass, Elvis Costello, Kato Kaelin, Paul Rubens, Sheryl Crow, Lance Loud, Shirley Manson, Miss Pamela Des Barres, Michael Des Barres, Alice Cooper, Oasis, Keanu Reeves, Ray Manzarek, Kim Fowley, John Doe with X, Poe, Gwen Stefani, Wendy Wilson, Flea, Green Day, Johnny Marr, MacKenzi Phillips, Davy Jones, The Bangles, Pete Townshend, Joan Jett, Addis Black Widow, The Donna's, Nick Heyward, Bow-Wow-Wow, Nina Hagen, Jed the Fish, Richard Blade, Dr. Drew, maybe even Phil Spector. The film explores the Hollywood music scene from the sixties to today, through the eyes of Rodney Bingenheimer and all those who were there with him. Directed by Emmy award winning filmmaker George Hickenlooper ("Hearts of Darkness: The Making of Apocalypse Now.") This is a story for anyone who is even a casual fan of West Coast pop culture. Release Date: Summer, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:31:50 EST From: RocketBoyD@aol.com Subject: capitol records' puppet hey folks, now, I think we all know that Liz's next album will not be another "exile" or even another "whip-smart"............Liz is not the same young lady who smoked a bowl and then recorded her acutely observed songs on a 4-track........... Liz has grown up........for all it's ups and downs........and I think "WSCE" was a near masterpiece.....it was much better than I was expecting at the time.... I think Liz is still hell-bent on being brutally honest in her songs, and still maintaining the sense of humor that has been laced through all of her work. I think Liz has learned one lesson that many of her loyal fans still haven't learned......is that being a mainstream artist, or having a mainstream producer doesn't mean that your work is gonna suck. Going mainstream doesn't mean selling-out. Liz will NEVER sell-out. It's in her blood to be a reputable artist. Sure, she might write a couple shitty songs here and there, "Love-Hate Transmission" comes to mind............BUT, I think her next album will have some brilliant moments on it, "Down" is a good indication............... So instead of bickering about LIZ'S decisions (Liz is not a Capitol Records' puppet)......Let's support her and hopefully she'll get this record out sometime soon!!!!!!!!! PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:59:49 EST From: Sexililgurl@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #284 In a message dated 11/5/01 1:16:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: > I feel very badly for Liz in that Capitol > > doesn't feel strongly enough about her own genius style. > i feel that its liz's choice to co write with whoever she wants. obviously she wanted to collabereate with her, because why would you make music with someone who you do not want to? you cant blame capital for that. . . liz prolly likes her style. ~taryn "somebody do something, anything soon, i know i cant be the only whatever i am in the room" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:50:32 -0500 From: Jase Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #284 Taryn wrote: >i feel that its liz's choice to co write with whoever she wants. obviously >she wanted to collabereate with her, because why would you make music with >someone who you do not want to? you cant blame capital for that. . . liz >prolly likes her style. Yes, but let's not forget that Capitol was just about to force its choice of producer on her. A lot of artists have these decisions made for them, often against their will. And it's not uncommon for a label to force someone to work with another "writer" (hit doctor would be a more appropriate term) -- just ask Aimee Mann about Epic demanding she write with Diane Warren on the final 'Til Tuesday album. Aimee refused and did get her way, but Epic turned around and gave the album absolutely no push when it was released. No marketing budget, no push at radio or MTV, no print ads. The album flopped. Aimee then wanted to leave her contract with Epic. They wouldn't release anything by her, but they were unwilling to let her record elsewhere. It took her three years to get out of that contract and finally be able to work again. If you refuse a request by the label or do anything to piss the label off, you pay dearly for it. Also look at how bad the new Garbage album is tanking. That's what happens when you try to sue to get out of your contract, but end up settling instead of seeing it through. The album is getting almost no support from Interscope. Liz probably knows better than to piss off the executives, but it may mean she'll be stuck working with a lot of other writers or producers that not all of us will like. Jase NP: Led Zeppelin, "When the Levee Breaks" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:17:12 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: capitol records' puppet In a message dated 11/5/01 2:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, RocketBoyD@aol.com writes: > now, I think we all know that Liz's next album will not be another "exile" > or > even another "whip-smart"............Liz is not the same young lady who > smoked a bowl and then recorded her acutely observed songs on a > 4-track........... > > Liz has grown up........for all it's ups and downs........and I think > "WSCE" > was a near masterpiece.....it was much better than I was expecting at the > time.... I think Liz is still hell-bent on being brutally honest in her > songs, and still maintaining the sense of humor that has been laced through > all of her work. > I think Liz has learned one lesson that many of her loyal fans still > haven't learned......is that being a mainstream artist, or having a > mainstream producer doesn't mean that your work is gonna suck. Going > mainstream doesn't mean selling-out. Liz will NEVER sell-out. It's in her > blood to be a reputable artist. Sure, she might write a couple shitty > songs > here and there, "Love-Hate Transmission" comes to mind............BUT, I > think her next album will have some brilliant moments on it, "Down" is a > good > indication............... > So instead of bickering about LIZ'S decisions (Liz is not a Capitol > Records' puppet)......Let's support her and hopefully she'll get this > record > out sometime soon!!!!!!!!! > I agree with this. And this is why I perfer right now WCSE to Exile, because as I get older, I find that I want to hear adults, and Liz is one of them. Not that she was bad when she was young, just different, and as different then as she is now. I don't know much about Clarke, except that I liked his hit with Danny Wilson, Mary's Prayer a lot, and he may be a good fit for Liz. Pete Yorn is okay. I am excited the most, however, by Michael Penn working with Liz. I can assure you he won't have her 'sell out' (what does that mean anyway?), he's never done that on his own recordings, even with his hit No Myth, and I can't see how he would do that with Liz. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:56:24 -0500 From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: in defense of Sheryl Dan sez: 'Now I fear that it will be just some Sheryl Crow-esque crap.' Sheryl Crow is not crap by *any* means and I think most on this list would agree with that. In fact she is one of the better songstresses out there and quite multi-taltened as far as writing and performing and plays not only guitar but bass and keyboards. If Sheryl isn't your cup of tea thats fine, but let's not bash someone who has more talent that you care to admit. Why the heck isn't Liz working with Brad Wood anymore. Is Brad out of the biz or what? Unfortunatley I think Liz's new album may suffer from over-production. I like WCSE but it has too slick a feel as compared with WS and EIG. But the bottom line is revenue these days and I feel although Liz may not consciously 'sell-out', now that she is in LA that her mind-set will change. And I'm sure when she does tour that she won't (once again) come to Florida. Prove me wrong Liz..... DarkSide oftheMoon "I didn't think it was possible, but this both sucks and blows." Bart Simpson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:25:49 EST From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of Sheryl In a message dated 11/5/01 7:00:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, hilofer@hotmail.com writes: > Why the heck isn't Liz working with Brad Wood anymore. Is Brad out of the > biz or what? I actually recently picked up a cd produced by Brad Wood- the cast album for Hedwig & the Angry Inch (the 1st version for the off-broadway production, he didn't produce the film soundtrack). It rocks!! But I also wonder why Liz isn't working with him anymore because I really like most of the stuff he works on. > > change. And I'm sure when she does tour that she won't (once again) come to > > Florida. Prove me wrong Liz..... I second that! nobody comes to Miami... of course that's because most of the music popular here isn't ... oh, what's the phrase? ah yes, good. peace, rick "I know we're all psychotic, single and completely dysfunctional and it's all done over the phone, but it's a bit like a family, isn't it?" - -Tom, Bridget Jones's Diary by Helen Fielding let's face it kids...my webpage! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #285 ************************************