From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #176 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, July 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V4 #175 ["over pavema" ] new album "nowhere near being complete" [Kenneth Lee Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #175 just a quick note to everyone who keeps referring to 'down' as if it were specifically about liz and her husband in some literal sense. it *could* be, but remember, the song was written for a movie, so *maybe* its tone and even its lyrics were suggested by the script or the story (a la 'she's the one' from tom petty). unless someone knows something specific (and if you do you should keep it to yourself), it's probably worth considering the possibility that liz, as an artist, is able to communicate without having to have literally gone through the experience she is describing. this is, after all, the woman who wrote 'divorce song' before she'd ever even been married. her ex may be a douche, i don't know. liz may be a royal pain in the ass who deserves to be dumped on. i don't know. it's not really very important to me to assume that my favorite artists of any stripe are really only stringing out their biographies for my entertainment. just my own 2 cents, with random cautions about jumping to conclusions... as for the video, it's really grown on me. the song i can take or leave, to be honest (it's very good except the chorus which, for me, doesn't really work (down...downdown....down...downdown). but the verses and the piano break are great. the video is cool, though, in the way it uses stills to simulate movement and reality. better vid than wcse. better than 'jealousy'. not as cool as the 'whip-smart' video, but that's just a personal favorite. thanks again to whoever first posted the news about this video. o _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:05:41 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #175 In a message dated 7/8/01 1:49:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, overpavement@hotmail.com writes: >>unless someone knows something specific (and if you >>do you should keep it to yourself), Thanks for the lecture, Dr. Laura. It's called speculation. And I think that most of the *speculation* that has been discussed on this list is based on the facts that we do know that have been publicly reported, by somewhat reputable news sources. > this is, > after all, the woman who wrote 'divorce song' before she'd ever even been > married. > Gee, do you have to have been *legally* married to have experienced a level of commitment to your partner that is equal to one of what a legal marriage ideally should be? I know couples who are legally married who are NOT faithful to each other, and couples who cannot or have not been able to legally marry who are very committed and take the relationship more seriously than most "married" couples. Have you ever been engaged or seriously involved with a "shack up honey" (as Dr. Laura would call it)? Do you honestly think that those relationships aren't or can't be just as involved as a good marriage might be? Do you have to have been legally married to think such things as are said in divorce song? I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you don't. And again, although it's only speculation, (because no one really knows except Liz), we do know from interviews and reports that Liz went out to California because she was seriously involved, and that these experiences somehow (however literally or loosely) played into some of the material she wrote for GirlySound. Get off your high horse. What you imply with that statement is insulting. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:07:18 -0500 From: "mesmerizing" Subject: another liz sighting this just in (ok, a week or so ago) from an angeleno on another list i belong to ... at the after-show party for coldplay at *some* club in L.A. (it wasn't quite clear): <> if i were there, in that bathroom, and ran into her, i'd put up my arms (i'm shorter than her) to block her from moving, and simply say: "just tell me, WHEN is your album coming out?" sandra ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:14:16 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: new album "nowhere near being complete" Hi all, The following comes from Billboard.com: Fans eager to hear music from the long-awaited follow-up to Liz Phair's 1998 Capitol album "White Chocolate Space Egg" will want to check out a video clip of new song "Down." The video is available for free on the Director's Bureau agency Web site. A spokesperson at Capitol says the song is "not a single," and "it was just done for fun by a friend." Rodney Ascher directed the clip using still photos. Phair's new album, which the spokesperson says is "nowhere near being complete," is expected next year. Phair recently filmed some scenes for indie flick "Cherish." The Finn Taylor ("Dream with the Fishes") directed thriller is expected to debut at the Sundance Film Festival next year. As previously reported, Phair has recorded nearly 40 songs for her new album, some with singer/songwriter Pete Yorn. - -- Todd Martens, L.A. Thanks to Jason Tedford for passing the above along to me. - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #176 ************************************