From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #29 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, January 30 2001 Volume 04 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V4 #28 [Dermich@aol.com] i <3 the 80s. [steve the dyke-tyke ] The 80's [Dan ] Re: scheduled performer Liz Phair [Emil Breton ] Re: support-system-digest V4 #27 [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: i <3 the 80s. ["jason friedes" ] Re: An Evening With... [TaliaK@aol.com] I need some bootlegs! ["Drew Schultz" ] I need some bootlegs! ["Drew Schultz" ] [none] ["Drew Schultz" ] The Eighties [scum ] Re: The Eighties [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Chiming in on the Eighties [Loosegroover@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:48:25 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #28 Completely and utterly said with tongue firmly planted in cheek!!! I will admit to quite a few things from that decade that I love without reservation (NIN's Pretty Hate Machine, a lot of WaxTrax! bands, Cris n Cosey, Devo, the first 3 Thompson Twins albums). But, no, by and large the decade was a waste musically. Even Bowie didn't do anything particularly noteworthy. In fact, I got so grossed out with the current scene that I didn't listen to ANY rock from my mid-teens on. So Jase, no worries...I'm not THAT strange. And I meant the Go-Go's comment as a total slam. Sorry to the many fans gathered here, but I can't stand 'em. > >Long live the '80s!!!!! > > Are you sure about that? Other than the Replacements, Sonic Youth, Game > Theory and a few more bands, plus the first Michael Penn and final 'Til > Tuesday albums, I don't see much reason to look back... ;) D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: steve the dyke-tyke Subject: i <3 the 80s. Now i dont know about the whole 80s thing...i think there was a lot of BRILLIANT stuff but it was TOTALLY overlooked... Ok, so obviously im talking about the one and only THROWING MUSES:):):):) hehe. But seriously, the 80s are the second most represented decade in my collection. the B-52's!!! kate bush! siouxsie and the banshees! the cure! cocteau twins! suzanne vega! jane siberry! dead can dance! all wonderful artists who released lots of great stuff in the 80s! and then of course you have MADONNA! (and janet-when-she-was-in-control!) i freakin love the 80s! long live mullets :D steve np - the cure ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:09:28 -0500 From: Dan Subject: The 80's Sorry, I just have to respond to the 80's. As much as there was a ton of music that i loathe and hate that came out during the 80's - most of the music that shaped what I love today also came out then. I mean, everyone is sick of those neverending fucking 80's anthologies with all the typical cliche songs like "Sunglasses at Night" by Cory Hart and "Come On Eileen" by Dexy's midnight Runners - but there is a whole treasure chest full of 80's songs that no one ever touches, which were amazing. I made a CD of them. Who could forget "WARRIOR" by Scandal? "Who's Johnny?" by El Debarge? "Pump Up The Volume" by M.A.R.R.S?? "Debaser" by PIXIES??? "Touch Me" by Samantha Fox??? "Hole in my Heart" by Cyndi Lauper "Don't forget me when I'm gone" by Glass Tiger!! "At This Moment" by Billy Vera (Yes - the cheesey Alex/Ellen love them on Family Ties!!) "I Know What Boys Like" - THe Waitresses "Lost in your eyes" - Debbie Gibson and who could forget all the incredible Joan Jett and the Blackheart songs!?!? She's the true queen of rock and roll.. :) Anyway, aside from those bands - there's the Bangles, Jesus and Mary CHain, Madonna, some cool B52's stuff (who could ever forget "Legal Tender"?) Bryan Ferry, Yello, and I can't even listen to Erasure's "Oh L'Amour" without getting goosebumps from hell!! And remember!! The 80's had amazing "group efforts" like "We Are The World" in which all the coolest of the cool singers would get together and sing..like - EVERYONE!! And we'd all watch the video as kids and say "Oh my god! Cyndi Lauper has orange hair,and is singing next to Boy George!! I wonder if they are friends." or "Oh My GOD! Why does Stevie Wonder get his own recording room, and the others have to stand in a group with each other?" Or "COOL! Dion Warwick is next to Bono!! Wonder if he likes her!!?" I mean, could you imagine if we had some kind of "group" song today?? It would be nothing but N'Syncs and Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears. It would be horrid. But back then, there was some cool people. I mean, the 80's also brought out such atrocities as MC Hammer and the appalling New Kids On The Block (foreshadowing for the new millenium) - but when i take a look at year 2001 and the popular music of today - and then check out 1981 and see what was popular then - I'd go back to the days of underground basement shows and groundbreaking punkers in a heartbeat. Even though I was 4. Love dan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Emil Breton Subject: Re: scheduled performer Liz Phair idolizethis@hotmail.com: <> I like "Bouncer's Conversation" (although I like the original title better). I like the Who-ness of "Love/Hate," but I can just imagine it being another "What Makes You Happy" on the album (that's a bad thing, IMO). <> You're glad? This makes me think, if Liz was going to rework maybe "Can't Get Out of What I'm Into" (as someone reported many moons ago), how cleaned-up and cliched would she make it? Probably pretty cleaned-up and cliched, a la "Hello Stranger". <> Usually no one responds to anything on-topic anyway, don't take it personally. <> Anyone remember the days when Matador would report every move Liz was going to make? Granted, this sounds like a very private thang, but the thought of Liz being a "scheduled performer" ANYWHERE and us not knowing about it angers up the blood. Thank you, Capitol. Yet another reason to shout about the virtues of Liz's pro moves. I wonder if she did perform, and with whom, and what songs. And that "lingering catfight" was never much of one, I don't think. Courtney Love is/was basically jealous of Liz's superior songwriting abilities and called her boring as a "potato". "Liz, have a bad day, just once, and *then* write a song," I believe was the exact quote. Now she says she likes Exile in Guyville for some reason. - -E Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:34:31 EST From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V4 #27 Does this mean that we missed a Liz performance recently? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:55:22 -0600 From: "jason friedes" Subject: Re: i <3 the 80s. Firstly The Pixies released two, or three albums in the 80's Secondly I highly recommend Mulletgalore.com, Nathan and Andrea will recognize this from the jill site thirdly, Can I get a complete history of ' Johnny are you queer' with timeline. I think the Go-Go's version is the one I'm used to. >From: steve the dyke-tyke >To: support-system@smoe.org >Subject: i <3 the 80s. >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:53:49 -0500 (EST) > >Now i dont know about the whole 80s thing...i think there was a lot of >BRILLIANT stuff but it was TOTALLY overlooked... > >Ok, so obviously im talking about the one and only THROWING MUSES:):):):) > >hehe. But seriously, the 80s are the second most represented decade in my >collection. the B-52's!!! kate bush! siouxsie and the banshees! the cure! >cocteau twins! suzanne vega! jane siberry! dead can dance! all wonderful >artists who released lots of great stuff in the 80s! > >and then of course you have MADONNA! (and janet-when-she-was-in-control!) > >i freakin love the 80s! > >long live mullets :D >steve > >np - the cure _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:53:42 EST From: TaliaK@aol.com Subject: Re: An Evening With... << I also read in an interview that she had them all converted to DAT, which means she has superior quality versions. >> The audio engineer in me perks up.... Actually, unless she had any sort of noise reduction done to them while putting them to DAT, all it means is that they won't degrade as quickly. It's still coming off of the cassette. Hopefully if she did she had someone professional do it... I still don't have a good copy of girlysounds because of whoever did the crappy job of noise reduction at one point... and most of the mp3s out there are those versions. Argh! Anyone want to help me out with that? (Perhaps Jason since he got his CD burner now? =) ) Robin L. "You look like shit, and the smell is even better. And I feel like shit, and I want to go back to bed." ~Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:56:14 -0600 From: "Drew Schultz" Subject: I need some bootlegs! Hey Everyone, I was wondering if anybody could make me cd copies of Girlysounds, Fuck and Run, Clean as a Whistle, Secretly Timid, and the First Avenue show. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:55:50 -0600 From: "Drew Schultz" Subject: I need some bootlegs! Hey Everyone, I was wondering if anybody could make me cd copies of Girlysounds, Fuck and Run, Clean as a Whistle, Secretly Timid, and the First Avenue show. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:58:43 -0600 From: "Drew Schultz" Subject: [none] I'm sorry I forgot to put in my last post to respond privately to my e-mail. Anyway if somebody could make them for me it would be greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:26:27 -0500 From: scum Subject: The Eighties I think there's a lot of good reasons to look back at the eighties, just not what the networks would have you look back upon. Sure the whole "new wave" scene was rather embarrassing, but you also had Black Flag pushing the boundaries of punk farther than anyone else wanted to go, Crass writing the book on political music and stances, crap... all the bands I'm thinking of are punk. Well, if you;re not into that then the eighties did stink. But shit, the Misfits, Descendants (first two albums), Germs, Fear (way underrated), Dead Kennedys, and to leave my little sphere, Public Enemy, NWA, Biz Markie (i'm pretty sure), crap... now I'm on the other extreme. Oh yeah, the Swans, Pussy Galore. There was a lot of good stuff, you'll just never hear about it anywhere, on television at least. ( I apologize for all the readers to whom these bands are old hat and cliche. And I might've gotten some dates mixed.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:44:54 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: The Eighties In a message dated 1/29/01 10:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, scum@ufl.edu writes: > There was a lot of good stuff, you'll just never hear about it > anywhere, on television at least. This may be new wave, but this was, to me, the best band of the 80's you never heard of unless you were very lucky, with one of the best songwriters I've ever heard period, leading it. This guy is still around too, somewhat, semi retired now. The Band: Game Theroy The Leader Of It: Scott Miller. Grab any of GT's stuff, or Scott's 90's band, The Loud Family. You won't regret it, he is one of the best, Ever. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:15:25 EST From: Loosegroover@aol.com Subject: Chiming in on the Eighties When I think of the '80s I think of MTV and how in the first half of the decade I was just attached to the TV hoping to see some of my fave songs, like Squeeze's Black Coffee in Bed or Adam Ant's Goody Two Shoes or Dexy's Midnight Runners' Come on Eileen. The last half reminds me of how my music taste changed. There was Suzanne Vega's Solitude Standing, De La Soul's 3 Feet High and Rising and Robbie Roberton's self-titled album. I don't think I would have gotten into Liz without them. paige- ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #29 ***********************************