From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V4 #16 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, January 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- my appologies for dragging things out [---becky--- ] I saw pj harvey fuck a guitar. [steve the dyke-tyke ] PJ Harvey (non Liz) [BenRadlinski@cfopub.com] the Spin picture [Kenneth Lee ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: ---becky--- Subject: my appologies for dragging things out an open letter to overpavement: this is just to clarify a few things... i find it very strange that you would equate someone being true to their inspiration with an architect who builds useless buildings. i've never understood why there are people who feel that everyone who is following their inspiartion is creatign something pointless. yes, anyone undertaking a creative enterprise has to serve the purpose of their work (ie. performers have to entertain, architects have to build viable buildings.) but within those confines, they have choices as to how much of their own personal aesthetics they use. i'm sure that making lots of money is great, but artists have the potential to make a greater contribution to society if they leave the idea of capital gain behind them. i'm not saying that artists have to step up to that responsibility but it is disappointing when they back down from their potential for money. i'm also not saying that artists can't keep growing and contributing while making money. artists who do that simply seem to be creating the right work, in the right place, at the right time. They are the ones who are evolving with society instead of evolving ahead of the mass conciousness (or, in some sad cases, behind it.) if van gogh had started painting what the art consumers of the time wanted, we would have no starry night. and he isn't even remotely alone in the leagions of creative individuals who lived in filthy abject poverty during their lifetimes only to have their work lauded as 'ahead of its time' after their deaths. should they have stopped what they were doing? should they have stifled their creativity for money? anyone know what shakespeare's greatest commercial success was during his lifetime? that's right, 'titus andronicus.' never read it? that's because it is so bad that most shakespearean scholars don't even like to admit that he wrote it. maybe he should have turned out a few more of those. at any rate, the vast majority of successful artists begin by sacrificing financial gain in order to create the work that they are inspired to create and it's a good thing that they are willing to do that, too. unless, of course, you think that these original anti-capitalist actions of theirs were naive and foolhardy. in which case you should cross everybody off your list and get used to listening to boy bands. sorry, is that swiss cheese on you lap? becky ===== "if the fool were to persist in his folly he would become wise." -william blake http://i.am/beckybecky Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:37:56 -0500 From: "cheddarcat" Subject: the dead horse > qualifying their appreciation for WCSE. if liz had released a disc or two > in the interim, then the evolution from WS to WCSE would've been less > jarring for people who remain attached to EIG and want (despite their > protests to the contrary) to re-feel the feelings that EIG originally > engendered in them. of course, you can't go home again, and you'll never > feel that way again, no matter *what* liz does. and that's your problem, > not her's i am SO sorry to keep on beating a dead horse. i admit in response to ana's post i was overly defensive and ridiculous. but look. let's admit it's possible to just not be that turned on by WCSE regardless of how much you're yearning after those old feelings that EIG engendered in you. It's not your problem or hers (liz's), it's just your taste in music. Maybe you're yearning after those old feelings, and you admit it. Maybe you're yearning after those old feelings, but you deny it. MAYBE, you're not yearning after those old feelings, but wanting something new, and as a matter of fact, WCSE doesn't fit what you're looking for. It's OK. You don't have to love every single song that a person does. If you look at the span of most careers there will be records in there that you just don't like as well as others. What is a bit much is when people act like you just ought to like WCSE for no other reason than Liz did it. (As long as we're oversimplifying things.) What's up with that? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: steve the dyke-tyke Subject: I saw pj harvey fuck a guitar. > At least she's Polly-with-a-fucking-guitar, and not she played guitar on "Is This Desire?". I am not sure if it was a "fucking-guitar" though. > making... whatever you call that stuff she did on > "ITD?" (electronica?). I think Stories... is a really Question to all: Why do half the people who bring up ITD? say it is electronica while the other half say its R&B? I would like to ask BOTH schools which copy of the album they picked up. i need both to complete my PJ collection. > I'm not one of those "PJ! Tori! Ani!" people, I just > really like this record. I am (well, i wouldnt say it like that, but i definitely appreciate the artistry of these three women--heck, they're my favorite musicians.) So are a number of people on this list. what, our opinions are not as valid as yours? Huh? Explain, please. >STEVE - it turns out (now this is fucking weird) I am going to be >covering the fucking Tegan and Sara show!!! Oh dear!!!! :) :) :) :) please be nice to them, they're only 15 or whatever! :) dan, if you make them cry i'll never forgive you :) i wish i could come, but i have stuff to do thurs night. Send me a copy of the interview though ;) i can just see it now, Dan: So, do you gals pay Ani royalties, or...? Tegan & Sarah *cry* steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:44:37 -0500 From: BenRadlinski@cfopub.com Subject: PJ Harvey (non Liz) Dan wrote: "Her new one - I like much much better and it does remind me a bit of "Dry" - - however - I still don't think it can hold a candle to "dry" or "rid of me" - which is my favorite PJ Harvey album (and one of my favorite albums of all time). As for critics calling this album her "happy" album...I don't know..I don't get that either." I completely agree. I thought I was missing something with the new record, but I just can't get into it. So far, Polly has been unable to surpass the wonderful "Rid Of Me." I think all the new ones have been stinkers, with a few good songs. BenRad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:38:10 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: the Spin picture Hi all, I've added that Liz picture from the February 2001 issue of Spin (the one with the *controversial* Krusty the Clown feature). If you want to avoid the magazine, but want to see the picture, you can check it out now at my site. I've also added some other pics as well, so happy viewing. - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V4 #16 ***********************************