From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #304 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: recommended records [Vasant Ramamurthy ] lost winner! [valerieb@mindspring.com] Re: support-system-digest V3 #303 [steve the dyke-tyke ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #301 ["overpavement" Subject: Re: recommended records >Just curious, does anyone else know if any good places to order imports from >online? The Music Selection site seemed to have a fairly wide variety of >titles listed, but it'd be nice to see if there are any similar sites, so at >the very least I can shop around to see who has the best prices. i personally like http://www.sirencd.com. i had no problems getting my order from them. another possibility is http://www.action-records.co.uk. - -vasant ***** "Kill yr idols" - Sonic Youth - -- Listen to "Death Disco" - Wednesdays 5-7 pm (central) on http://kwur.wustl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:15:45 -0500 From: valerieb@mindspring.com Subject: lost winner! hi ben! welcome... some interesting discussion going on these days...seems we're out of the slump and everybody's happy, even if there ain't much liz talk. julie, your magazine is on its way. and, other person who won my little contest...i somehow cannot find your address, and i also forgot who you are, but i know you're moving. so email me privately and i'll get it out to you...i have a stamped envelope just waiting! long live rock, valerie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: steve the dyke-tyke Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #303 Yay, belly is one of my favorite bands :) However, Gail Greenwood is no longer in L7. She toured with them for awhile, but then left the band because she lived too far away and didn't want to move. Most recently, she joined Bif Naked's touring band, but she temporarily left for reasons i can't remember. (pssst--i have a kristin hersh/tanya donelly discussion list on Egroups...swooningloons@egroups.com...) teehee steve IM: ThrownMuse21 BikiniKillBoy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:26:40 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: a few questions hello. outside of the "cursed" theme song, there really hasn't been much Liz-content of late. i thought i'd ask a few Liz-content-ful questions: 1) Just who were these guys in "Guyville," and why would they be so uninterested in Liz, do you think, that she'd have to make the greatest album of the 90's just to get their attention? 2) In reading through all the articles -- thanks again to Ken Lee for the Mesmerizing site -- one of the main attributes of these fellas in "Guyville" is that they had all these obscure, cool records. Any guesses as to what artists were in these particular collections? i have a couple of guesses. i bet Liz took a few references from these collections in her "Girlysound" songs. i bet Johnny Cash was in there ("I Walk The Line"/"Fuck Or Die"), probably the Jesus And Mary Chain or the Pixies ("Head On"/"Sometimes A Dream (What Makes You A Slave)"), perhaps a Troggs album ("Wild Thing"), maybe some Iggy Pop (someone mentioned that the lyrics to "California" or "South Dakota" were the same lyrics to an Iggy Pop song). any speculation? 3) do you think we should buy Liz's comment that "EIG" was just a bunch of bullshit? i mean, there were a few songs on there that are so naked, it'd really be hard to believe that they were completely made up (i'm thinking "Shatter," for one). Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:31:54 -0500 From: "overpavement" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #301 al wrote: >Sam Phillips was at one time Leslie Phillips and was a christian singer >until she fell out of that religion altogether and married T-bone >Burnett. not to split hairs, but leslie/sam never 'fell out of' her religion, so far as i know. in fact, t-bone produced her last 'christian-rock' record, "The Turning", back in the mid-80's. i've never heard it, but i do know it's generally regarded as one of the bravest and strongest albums in the history of that musical style. what she definitely rejected was the christian music industry, which tried to pigeonhole someone too smart and broadminded to go for it, and which was even more disillusioning than the music industry in general (i s'pose she expected to find a less cut-throat pack of people in her less-secular surroundings, which is not the case -- hey, if there's money to be made there's going to be a high percentage of douchebags wherever you are). so, while her music and lyrics are *much* more exploratory since she changed her name and renounced her old genre, i've never heard of her rejecting her personal beliefs. it's important not to confuse religion and religious beliefs, just like it's important not to confuse art and commerce. they can co-exist, but one never requires the other. o ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:34:59 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #301 In a message dated 00-11-10 16:11:54 EST, overpavement@hotmail.com writes: > not to split hairs, but leslie/sam never 'fell out of' her religion, so far > as i know. in fact, t-bone produced her last 'christian-rock' record, "The > Turning", back in the mid-80's. i've never heard it, but i do know it's > generally regarded as one of the bravest and strongest albums in the history > of that musical style. what she definitely rejected was the christian music > industry, which tried to pigeonhole someone too smart and broadminded to go > for it, and which was even more disillusioning than the music industry in > general (i s'pose she expected to find a less cut-throat pack of people in > her less-secular surroundings, which is not the case -- hey, if there's > money to be made there's going to be a high percentage of douchebags > wherever you are). so, while her music and lyrics are *much* more > exploratory since she changed her name and renounced her old genre, i've > never heard of her rejecting her personal beliefs. it's important not to > confuse religion and religious beliefs, just like it's important not to > confuse art and commerce. they can co-exist, but one never requires the > other. I'm on her mailing list (offical one) she hasn't and nether has T-Bone Burnett, her husband, but I suspect that she are quite a bit more liberal then when she was a Christian artist. If you listen to Baby I Can't Please You and I Need Love from her album Martini's and Bikini's, but are slams agianst the Christian right, especially Baby, even if it looks like a love song at first glance. She was even deadcating it to Rush Limbaug during the tour for that record. And nothing that Sam or T-Bone has said on her list has ever made me think that way too. She's got a new album Fan Dance coming out next year on Nonsuch, Emmylou Harris's label. Should be cool, it will be like The Turning, I've heard some of the songs from The Turning and they are quite spare, dark, and say a lot of things about Christanity that make me se why she threw it over, and why a lot of people in that industry were so mad about it. As in when she left Word, her Christian record label, they called her a heratic, among other things. Andrea ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #304 ************************************