From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #275 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V3 #274 ["Wendy Bryant" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] OT: Liz Phair/Support System Digest Mix #1 review [carrma@WellsFargo.COM] ot - morcheeba.... [---becky--- ] dylan & the band ["overpavement" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:53:08 -0500 From: "Wendy Bryant" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #274 > Morcheeba - "Shoulder Holster" > > I quite like this song. I know I've heard some Morcheeba stuff before on > various samplers, but nothing that really stopped me in my tracks. This, > however, does. What album is this from? its from "big calm" its a very good cd! i just got it a few months ago. Shoulder Holster and The Sea are my favorite songs from that cd! peace wendy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:47:30 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #274 Jase wrote: > I know it's almost blasphemous to criticize anything Bob Dylan has had a > hand in, but this song just doesn't really move me. I am less familiar with > his work than I probably should be, only owning three of his albums > (_Highway 61 Revisited_, _Blonde on Blonde_ and _Time Out of Mind_) and the > first greatest hits compilation, all of which I like a lot. While I didn't > really get into this much, I would be interested in recommendations in other > of his works to check out, based on what I do like already. Blood on the Tracks. Greatest album ever. Buy it now. When I dropped the CD and scratched it irreparably, I went out that same day and bought another. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:29:40 -0700 From: carrma@WellsFargo.COM Subject: OT: Liz Phair/Support System Digest Mix #1 review Jase You are probably about to get more information than you possible ever wanted to know about 2 of my fav artists Tom Waits and Bob Dylan... //Tom Waits - "Frank's Wild Years" ... the music and his vocal delivery seem a little too laidback for my taste, and I couldn't imagine an entire album in this style being all that compelling. Does he mixthings up a bit on his albums and offer more of a variety? Or is there an album that's a little more "punchy" that might be better to start with?// Tom is one of the more interesting singer/song writers I've ever come across. In general, he has a great understanding of rhythm and the use of percussion in his music. His songs range from the morbidly funny to sweet and sentimental. His world is filled with small time gangsters, con-men, prostitutes, side show freaks and town drunks. His early work was more traditional--a mix of folk and jazz...writing many new songs that sounded like old pop standards. Around the 80's his work became more bizarre...his songs became less traditional sounding--unusual accompaniments to unusual lyrics. His interest in theater becomes more apparent in these albums and he often sings songs "in character". In fact, "Frank's Wild Years" was later developed into a play and an album... His style varies a lot so FWY is not representative of his body of work. I don't think Tom is an artist for everyone, but if you get into him, you'll want everything! Albums for Tom Waits 101: Heart of Saturday Night Small Change Rain Dogs Mule Variations Supplement: Blue Valentine Advanced studies: Swordfishtrombone Franks Wild Years Bone Machine The Black Rider Course Overview: Beautiful Maladies //Bob Dylan/The Band - "Yea! Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread" I know it's almost blasphemous to criticize anything Bob Dylan has had a hand in, but this song just doesn't really move me. I am less familiar with his work than I probably should be, only owning three of his albums (_Highway 61 Revisited_, _Blonde on Blonde_ and _Time Out of Mind_) and the first greatest hits compilation, all of which I like a lot. While I didn't really get into this much, I would be interested in recommendations in other of his works to check out, based on what I do like already.// The song "Yea! Heavy..." is from the Basement Tapes... Not my fav from the album but definitely has it's merits for being weird. The basement tapes sessions are of the first (I think they might be the first) bootlegged rock recording sessions. The basement tapes were not actually recorded to be released, but rather just Dylan playing around with the Band composing songs for other people to record. Due to fan pressure some of those songs were eventually released as the 2 LP Basement Tapes (although 5 discs of bootleg material now circulate). Some consider the Basement Tapes to be some of Dylan's most interesting and original work...Greil Marcus wrote a whole book on those recordings called _Invisible Republic_. As far as recommended Dylan listens...all of them! The basic must haves for your collection are: The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan -- bob at is folky best! Bootleg Series 4: Live 1966 -- Perhaps the best live album EVER! Blood on the Tracks -- Find out what Liz was singing about...simply amazing Oh Mercy! -- bob's strongest 80's album Others you will be dying to have after that: Bringing it All Back Home -- half electric/half solo acoustic...all good! The Times they are A-Changin'-- another collection of killer acoustic numbers Another Side of Bob Dylan -- bob's move away from protest folk to other types of songs John Wesley Harding -- hear what inspired Hendrix cover All Along the Watch Tower Desire -- more than just Hurricane Basement Tapes-- and you thought "Yea! Heavy..." was odd... Infidels -- One of Dylan's best from the 80's Bob Dylan, Good as I've Been To You & World Gone Wrong --3 great acoustic albums made primarily of covers of traditional and often obscure folk and blues albums. Nashville Skyline -- Bob's country crooning voice and everything... The best compilation of his work to date is Biograph... It covers 1961 through the early 80s and gives a much better picture of his work than any of the greatest hits... Okay you get the picture... I could keep listing albums... Let me know if you want any more details on any of these albums! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: ---becky--- Subject: ot - morcheeba.... shoulder holster is from morcheeba's 'big calm.' it's a great album. a song from that album also made it onto the mix tape i made. (um....is mine coming soon?) okay, and, i have just haphazardly discovered 'the magnetic fields' - 69 love songs. i'm in love. thought i should share that with everyone. peace, becky ===== "if the fool were to persist in his folly he would become wise." -william blake http://i.am/beckybecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:04:13 -0400 From: "overpavement" Subject: dylan & the band jason wrote: >Bob Dylan/The Band - "Yea! Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread" > >I know it's almost blasphemous to criticize anything Bob Dylan has had a >hand in, but this song just doesn't really move me...While I didn't >really get into this much, I would be interested in recommendations in >other of his works to check out, based on what I do like already. first of all, this particular song almost demands the context of the entire 'basement tapes' album. greil marcus' liner notes are excellent and the entire album works as a collection of ghostly, timeless songs. but just any one of them would have a hard time if surrounded by more polished, not-so-timeless songs. the tape you're describing does sound like a really good, smart set of songs. this one selection just seems a bit out of place. for other worthwhile dylan i can't say anything bad about 'blood on the tracks', or 'oh mercy' or 'world gone wrong'. even 'the basement tapes' is a remarkble, classic album, but it's a legit bootleg and is an acquired taste. i'm not the world's biggest dylan fan, but it's just interesting to chart the arc of his career against the track of pop and rock music over the same period. the thing i've most admired about people like dylan or a band like the beatles was their prolific output. christ, the beatles put out something like 12 albums in the course of 6 years, and there's not a bad one in the bunch. the new yorker magazine has a review of the 'beatles anthology' book this week, and the writer points out that between 8/65 and 8/66, the beatles released 3 lp's (this is the count in british lp's -- in the u.s. capitol actually released 4 lp's including singles not on the british versions). those lp's were 'help', 'rubber soul', and 'revolver'. 10 months later they released 'sgt. pepper'. NOBODY does that anymore. no one is capable, first of all. but second, labels are so cautious about releasing too many titles from one performer that they'll actually discourage more than one album every 18 months or so. so, dylan's released, what, 33 albums in 35 years, not counting live and greatest hits packages. some of them are losers, no question, but who even TRIES to work that hard at exploring and documenting musical and lyrical directions anymore? (certainly not liz -- who's officially pissed me off, btw, for taking so goddam long between releases that we are reduced to reading on this list long-winded diatribes about bob dylan's career and notes from people who think madonna is anything more than mildly talented huckster and an 'aging scandal-addict' as martin amis has accurately described her, but i digress.) anyway, i don't blame you for not going ape over this particular song in that particular context. that's all i'm trying to say and, as always, why say in 15 words what i can say just as well in 550? you know what scares the shit out of me? i like the new no doubt disc. a lot. what the...? finally, for anyone who saw both, i have to say that the sleater-kinney show at 930 in d.c. on 9/27 was SO much more kick-ass than their earlier visit in may or june. it was like a different, much better, much more excited band. they even had a couple of extended guitar breaks, and they appeared to be having a blast. of course, apparently it was carrie's birthday, so that may have helped. o 'trust in your calling make sure your calling's true think of others may others think of you' - - r.e.m. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #275 ************************************