From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #201 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, July 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Napster alternatives [BBelbis@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 ["sam" ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 [Sarah Scott ] ...... [Craig King ] leona/dmb [Riot Poof ] Nina Gordon... [Liz Gould ] TSF, Juliana, Napster [Dan ] liz snippet from book [Riot Poof ] juliana hatfield. [Riot Poof ] Re: liz snippet from book [AimeeRoadie@aol.com] Rothberg and DMB [Anne Corrigan ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 [Emerald314@aol.com] . [Emo5858@aol.com] Re:support system ["pat flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:28:57 EDT From: BBelbis@aol.com Subject: Napster alternatives hey everyone, just wondering if anyone knows of any GOOD napster alternatives out there......please email all suggestions privately. thanks in advance. brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:39:24 -0400 From: "sam" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 But does this mean she didn't think "Firewalker" > would make it on the record? Kick-ass! I never liked > that song. It's unfunny (in an uncool way) and the "I > can grow" chorus just seems really unoriginal and > near-hackneyed. Does anyone else think this way, or > haven't you guys ever really paid that much attention? ah, the variety we have here. i so, so adore the lyrical dexterity and gut-wrenching honesty that is Firewalker .... especially the chorus. and i was *at* that wellesley show, dammit. who has a full-on bootleg? i know justin does, but he's long gone. valerie, valerie, valerie, valerie -- yes, i am holding out, though i don't mean to. big fat email soon. he's here now, but leaving soon! friends, i am in love with a man i met on a mailing list. i used to be soooooooooo down on online romance -- in fact still am -- but you gotta appreciate the opportunites it gives you to meet up with those you'd otherwise never come into contact with. and looks like i'm prepared to move across the damn country for this one ... another thing, valerie, we are so on the same page, as usual ... > ...probably "oh my god." that song does nothing for me. i'm so in agreement. > on metallica: back in high school, when "master of puppets" came out, i though metallica was pretty cool. but now, i don't know the names of any of their songs and it doesn't matter, because they all sound alike to me. ditto. > feeling like a big dork because i never used napster, and hoping they stick around so i can get the chance, double ditto. before this turns into the sandra-valerie chat, i'll sign off. sandra (who thinks alanis's not the doctor and you oughta know are two of the finest songs ever written -- and yes, she did write at least all the lyrics ...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Scott Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 I just wanted to clarify my mistake, my matador guy was the chief financial officer, not CEO. I love to divulge the name, but I doubt he'd be to hip to it. He gave me "Fuck and Run" and "Pottymouthgirl." I'm trying to get some cool jon spencer blues stuff out of him currently. his wife used to work for polygram, so he gives me some free cd's now and then, tracy bonham was the last (anyone into her on the list, I didn't find her to great on the first play through). I have turned him on to Jim White and of course, my favorite plug here on the list (that no one has taken me up on) the esteemed Angry Johny and the Killbillies. katie-why the excitement over napster being shut down? I wasn't much of fan myself, though I know there was a lot of cool stuff on there. I just had no patience for it. but, I did like it because it scared the shit out of the industry execs. on a side note, there is a great website I have discovered called killville.com where you can buy chainsaws and other tools of death and destruction, along with many handy household items. np: jim white "the mysterious tale of why I cried wrong-eyed jesus" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: ...... >>Omg...Omg...my heart's pounding about a million miles an hour after seeing Stone Temple Pilots last nite! >What a concert!! Like Craig said, the band couldn't be any better, especially with Scott being energetic and all.<< Glad you had a blast Katie! I don't care what anybody says or if anyone blasts me, STP is the best band in the world right now. I love total Total System Failure because it really rocks hard and you can hear alot of different rock stylings in it. For instance, the main riff in "My Protege" is very similar to "Moby Dick" by Led Zeppelin. I don't claim to be a big Veruca Salt fan, but I like TSF better than anything I've ever heard from VS. That's just me. Oh and one more thing. Fuck Metallica and the RIAA for shutting down Napster. That's all I have to say about that. Craig "We'll be back to save rock and roll, because the way it's looking right now it definitely needs it." - Scott Weiland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Riot Poof Subject: leona/dmb jan asked: >Anybody out there like Leona Naess? I really like that 'Charm Attack' >song, 'cuz it reminds me of Sinead O'Connor. I do i do!:) i actually think im going to see her tonight, if i can drag someone with me:). I like the cd...though it's kinda the traditional "white girl whines about boys" cd (but not in lame way, like the new nina gordon...) though i tend to be a sucker for that stuff. haha. but i love her voice and the music is very pretty. Very reminiscent of the sundays and today's sinead. evidently she's a calvin klein model and diana ross's stepdaughter. pretty weird, eh? very talented though. Mike said: >OH MY GOD!! i feel the EXACT same way. the only reason ANYONE likes dave >mathews where i live is because they believe they are "cool" if they like >him. i am not a dave matthews band fan. i actually really dislike them. But for you to sit there and make claims like that is really lame. I have friends who actually like dmb because supposedly the drummer is amazing (i know nothing about drums). >song of his sounds the exact same to me. and his voice gives me a >headache. sometimes i hear him on the radio and go "AAAAHHHH!!!! Ok, and this is coming from someone who's email address is HOLEPARTS? dave matthews voice gives you a headache, but courtney love's doesnt? wow, you have an interesting head. OK--eep im at work, but i wanted to write my 2 cents on juliana...so i'll do that later when i have time. :) pissy steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Gould Subject: Nina Gordon... Hey-- I know there's a lot of people in the NY-NJ-CT area on the list and that a lot of people like Nina Gordon... I was listening to WLIR this week, and they said she and some other people are doing a show at the Vanderbilt (in LI) this Sat... It's like 15 bucks to get in... I live in CT and would go but my best friend's having a party : ( But I felt I should at least pass on that news.... Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:06:29 -0400 From: Dan Subject: TSF, Juliana, Napster Hey there.. FIrst off - on all the bad reviews this list is giving Juliana's TOTAL SYSTEM FAILURE - I think we are all being a bit too quick to judge it. My take on the whole deal is - Total System Failure was merely a fun, stupid,immature, rocking little album that Juliana just did because she felt like it..I mean, come on..the album is RIDICULOUS - songs like "Stupid Breeders" "Road Wrath" and "Houseboy" have to tell you something about the mentality of the album, - but the title "Juliana's Pony" kind of insinuates she wasn't completely serious about the whole thing. She just wanted to make a fun album for the HELL of it. FOr what it is - I think Total System Failure is a fun album, ear candy - but I like it. "Houseboy" rocked live! I think "Beautiful Creature" was the *real* Juliana album for this year. And it's a good one. I like it much better than "Bed". Much better than the "Please Do NOt Disturb" ep. I'd say it's right up there with "ONLY EVERYTHING"....close enough to "Become What You Are." Songs like "Close Your Eyes", "Daniel" - of course and "Cool Rock Boy" - "Cry in the Dark" - they are all sooo good... it's the first Juliana album to actually affect me in a long long time. So we got one REALLY cool album from her. With a Blake Babies reunion on top of everything else - I think she is entitled to play with a lil pony now and then. As for NAPSTER - i am sad to see it go too - but all the same - if I found out that Liz Phair could have sold a gold record - but instead - everyone downloaded "Supernova" off the internet and got it for free - leaving liz with a failed record -I'd be fucking pissed. If I wrote a novel - and it COULD have been on the Bestseller list - but everyone just said "log onto www.novel.com and download it for free!" and I never made it to the best-seller list - I'd be pissed off. Now, I know making music isn't about Selling records - but all the same - I think it is GREAT that Liz Phair has sold 2 gold records. It sounds really cool that someone with SO LITTLE radio play managed to have 2 - and soon to be I am sure - 3 gold records. (or did WCSE go gold yet?) Anyway, as much as I loved Napster - I can completely understand why certain artists don't want their music on it. I quote my friend on this one: "I will never buy another CD again." Until Napster can be tracked and somehow policed - I don't think it is completely right. Common sense says - yes OF COURSE we should be getting music for free - but all the same - I can understand Metallica's and everyone else's view who are against it. It shouldn't be about making money - but it IS a business - and I can TOTALLY understand how someone could get pissed off when people are downloading their music without buying their album. Call me old fashioned - but I am all for sound scan - and supporting my artist by going out to the CD store and buying the ENTIRE album. Especially with the types of artists I like - who need all the support they can get. Could you imagine if Liz Phair got dropped by Capital RECORDS because of poor record sales - due to the fact that EVERYONE downloaded her hit single from Napster - and not enough people bought the album???? It's just an instance - but - I don't know...as much as some small artists could benefit from it - I think lots could get fucked over by it too. I just wish there was a way to like, track it..so the artist could get some credit for it.. I don't know..it is such a gray area for me - Cuz i used it all the time - i used it for rare tracks - but all the same - what's the difference, right? So - ya - I am totally contradicting myself - I will miss napster - but all the same - I think there have to be a few changes made to it before I feel completely guilt free when downloading a song. Just looking for one divine hammer, DAN. %&%&%&%&%%%%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% "You leave with everything...." -Hole. *******************************^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Riot Poof Subject: liz snippet from book Yo i am at work (library) and came across a book from 1999 called "Listen to This! Leading Musicians Recommend Their Favorite Artists and Recordings". In general, it's pretty lame. But i did come across a little Liz mention, from none other than Ben Folds. He picked Exile in Guyville as one of his alltime favorite albums. Here's what he had to say (it's kinda lame, and doesn't even really make much sense to me, but at least he's giving major props to liz): LIZ PHAIR - Exile in Guyville (Matador). "Definitely, absolutely, completely. She doesn't have to be shocking, but with her sometimes it is. But each song has a definite, conversational effect on you, and I think I kept on checking what we were doing to make sure that it did that. And if it didn't do it as well as Liz Phair, then--like a song like 'A Song for the Dumped,' it's like 'Give me my black T-shirt back, you bitch.' It's almost embarrassingly influenced by Liz Phair." there ya go:) steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Riot Poof Subject: juliana hatfield. Ok, i said i'd write my bit on juliana hatfield, so here it is;). Now, i just want to say that i'm a big fan of her's, she's probably in my top 20 of faves. i think her first 4 albums are wonderful...i really don't know how i would rank them, i think i like them all equally. With regards to the two new ones, i think i put beautiful creature with those 4. I think it's just a great diverse album. i think it's because i really connected with this one. it's probably because they are mostly whiney songs about boys, which as i said earlier today, im a sucker for...prolly cuz i do my fair share of whining about boys:) But yeah...i think "somebody is waiting for me" is my alltime favorite juliana song. I think the whole album's just great. Some of it's cheesy ("when you loved me," "might be in love") but juliana always has that cheesy element to her, and it's something i always thought was cute in a weird innocent way. Anyways...as for total system failure...when i first got it, i thought it was really fun. the songs are funny, and the music is loud, and it was just such a novelty. i thought it was cool. Unfortunately, that initial "fun period" wore off quickly. AFter listening for awhile, i think all the songs sound alike. And lyrics like "i'm trying to pass a fat bastard" and "the system never failed you, you failed yourself," and songs like "the victim" are annoyingly pretentious. Juliana has always been a bit pretentious, and i have always sorta liked that because it went along with the naivete that i admired about her, but this album just goes way overboard. I don't think it's fun anymore, i think it's annoying and and borderline offensive. There are a couple songs i still like...like Breeders and My Protege and House Boy...they're all still really pretentious, but they're the only ones that don't sound like everything else on the cd. i wish they coulda been thrown on Beautiful Creature. and it isn't like i dont like that it's "heavier" music than BC, because i LOVE a lot of the heavier stuff on "only everything" and "bed". Most of the stuff on Total System Failure is just way lame to me. I mean, come on, "White Thrash"??? what the hell is that? blah. anyways. that's my take on juliana:) oh, i love the cover of "every breath you take"...it's great! steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:01:15 EDT From: AimeeRoadie@aol.com Subject: Re: liz snippet from book Maybe that's why I like Song for the Dumped so much! It's blatantly Liz!!!! paige- (back at aimeeroadie@aol.com and in an email-changing support group...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:50:49 -0400 From: Anne Corrigan Subject: Rothberg and DMB YES, I like Patti Rothberg! Actually she never stopped performing...supposedly she did lots of little performances here and there, especially in the Village over the past few years. She is due to have another album out within a few months I believe too. As far as Dave Matthews, since I started this mess...I can't tell you how MANY people have been like you trying to get me to see the light, abut the start of the conversation was "Who do yuo know HAS talent, but you don;t like them anyway" I know he isn't a crap musician, and I must say I have heard some great lyrics from him, and when I first heard a song by him I had no problem with him and sang along and everything...I also used to get them and Blues Travelers first singles that were out the same time mixed up...which is really weird in retrospect. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:29:44 EDT From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #200 << Kick-ass! I never liked that song. It's unfunny (in an uncool way) and the "I can grow" chorus just seems really unoriginal and near-hackneyed. Does anyone else think this way, or haven't you guys ever really paid that much attention? >> Well, that was kind of a rude comment....Personally I like Firewalker a lot, and not just because I "haven't ever really paid that much attention" to it. Of course it's fine that you don't like it, to each his/her own, but that doesn't mean that those who don't share your opinion are somehow missing something. ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:33:45 EDT From: Emo5858@aol.com Subject: . Anyone know what happened to the Firewalker page, which used to be phair territory (http://phairterritory.freeservers.com)? It had a really nice design and was marvelous...I miss it :( xoxo anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:52:14 GMT From: "pat flynn" Subject: Re:support system hey everyone i was just at this concert at the garage in washington dc and saw this band called wheatus i dont know if anyone has heard anything about them, but they rocked hard. it was an amazing concert, they havent realeased a cd, it actually comes out on august 1 but it will be amazing, i have only heard one of their songs, teenage dirtbag on the radio and noone had ever heard any other song, but still everyone was pumped, if you have heard the song on the radio, the rest of the album will be as good ok pat ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #201 ************************************