From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #153 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, June 7 2000 Volume 03 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- radiohead, random liz stuff [Valerie Barry ] Liz and Barbie ["Allison" ] born entertainer ["christine m." ] poe ["reese pepper" ] coppertone baby ["Dana Polachowski" ] Hello, Stranger ["Size 8 Today, Size 4 Tomorrow?" ] New (Old) Photos? ["kinney sleater" ] Re: born entertainer ["Jason Long" ] Re: Animal Girl ["Jason Long" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:29:32 -0400 From: Valerie Barry Subject: radiohead, random liz stuff scott... i never jumped on the radiohead bandwagon until i ordered 'the bends' in my BMG records intro order. it's made it up to top ten rotation in my CDs (in fact, was playing as i read your post and still is). buy it, used if you can, but it's worth it new. the very last song is positively mesmerizing... ummm...i've been collecting a few random thoughts over the past week or so, wouldn't you know they escape me as soon as i decide to actually post. let's see...oh, when i was in san francisco last week *sigh - what a wonderful time*, not only did i meet a cool guy who was a liz fan, but when i was shopping in good vibrations, of all places, WCSE was in rotation on their CD player. ya know how certain albums/music are associated with certain times in your life? well, i've taken to listening to EIG on my discman, set on random shuffle, when i travel to other cities. i hear different things depending on where i am, it's really kinda cool. hey, y'all-ternative (thanks sandra!) fans...did "mermaid avenue II" come out already? because i heard a new billy bragg & wilco song the other day and it was great. incidentally, i heard it on www.thefix.org, the online version of the michigan state university radio station. not only does it provide me with one of my favorite little pieces of home, i highly recommend it...it's a great mix of new stuff (a lot that i see mentioned here) and old school college radio faves from the late 80's and early 90's. and they even played 'supernova' the other day! as far as the great "help me mary" debate, i always thought of it as kind of reluctantly "doing her time" with these asshole guys until she made it big...the "watch how fast they run to the flame" part reminds me of a little kid who gets picked on and is thinking, "just wait til i get famous, i'll show them!" i think it's just about being a girl in the scene, not being taken seriously, and fantasizing about turning it around on the guys who gave her a hard time. perhaps that lacked depth, but that's what i think. off to work... xo...valerie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:01:18 -0500 From: "Allison" Subject: Liz and Barbie This is old, but I thought it was funny.... NEW YORK, September 15, 1998 - Since the dawn of rock'n'roll, women have been singing pop songs, rock songs, ballads and blues. Now the Barbie doll is joining the greatest girl bands - from The Supremes to The Go-Go's - with Beyond Pink. Featuring Barbie and her friends Christie and Teresa, Beyond Pink shows that girls can do anything they put their minds to. The trio's self-titled debut album from Sony Wonder, Epic Records Group and Mattel features 10 infectious pop songs bursting with high energy and positive messages. The band members cite Madonna, Tina Turner, Mariah Carey, The Bangles, Liz Phair and Cyndi Lauper as major musical influences. All of these women opened doors and inspired other women to create music, and the trio hopes Beyond Pink will do the same for girls all over the world. "Beyond Pink" ($13.98 CD/$9.98 cassette) arrives in stores October 13 (order cut-off September 17). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 07:59:37 CDT From: "christine m." Subject: born entertainer i went out last night and bought the new veruca salt CD. i am only about half way done with it, but i am very happy so far. its a bit more mellow in parts than the previous once, but its ok. i really enjoy listening to louise sing, i hardley even noticed there was no nina. now to my question. i picked it up at Big K. anyway, in the start of the second song, there is a part where it sounds like she is going to say fuck, but says ff.... or something. is everyone's like that, or did i get a rated-G version ? also, ive noticed that veruca salt does not swear much on their CDs. i like it christine ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:19:36 -0500 From: "reese pepper" Subject: poe The word from POE's management is... July 24 - The first single. August 30 - The new album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:57 -0700 From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: coppertone baby i love "animal girl"; i think it's one of her most brilliant songs, right up there with "divorce song." i think she should consider slapping that on "my new album" (we all wish) as a bonus track. here's an awesome line i just read the other day: "summertime... and oblivion's easy." god, i *love* that.... toodles, dp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Size 8 Today, Size 4 Tomorrow?" Subject: Hello, Stranger I don't know if this has been brought up at all in discussions, but there's a song of Liz's called "Hello, Stranger" that's rumored to be released on her upcoming album. Harry Smith's Folk Anthology just came out with a Volume 4, and while browsing the track listings, there's a song called "Hello, Stranger" by the Carter Family from the 30s. I haven't listened to it, but I did find the lyrics, and I thought it would be neat to compare: Hello, stranger, put your loving hand in mine Hello, stranger, put your loving hand in mine You are a stranger and you're a pal of mine Get up, rounder, let a working man lay down Get up, rounder, let a working man lay down You are a rounder, but you're all out and down Everytime I ride the 6th and 4th street car Everytime I ride the 6th and 4th street car I can see my baby peeping through the bars She bowed her head, she waved both hands at me She bowed her head, she waved both hands at me I'm prison bound, I'm longing to be free Oh, I'll see you when your troubles are like mine Oh, I'll see you when your troubles are like mine Oh, I'll see you when you haven't got a dime Weeping like a willow, mourning like a dove Weeping like a willow, mourning like a dove There's a girl up the country that I really love Hello, stranger, put your loving hand in mine Hello, stranger, put your loving hand in mine You are a stranger, and you're a pal of mine I've heard her song "Hello, Sailor", and strictly speaking, neither are that similar. However, they both are an attempt to find consolence in the love of a stranger to kill off the loneliness that they feel. Also, for you folk fans out there, you may notice that the second to last verse is the first verse to Blind Boy Fuller's "Weeping Willow". I'm not sure which came first, but it was probably just a common phrase from folk song tradition. That's usually what happens when you find the same verse in several songs. Anyway, for those of you who have heard either version of "Hello Stranger", what do you think as far as comparissons go? I remember reading that Liz's mom used to play a lot of folk music, and it's entirely possible that she picked this up from there, or any other number of sources. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire "Be cool, stay in school." - Mr. T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: dance of the seven veils I justed finished reading a great article over at Ken Lee's always informative Mesmerizing site. He has an article there that discusses the book and play 'Salome', from which Liz got much inspiration for her song "Dance of the Seven Veils" off Exile in guyville. This is a really great article that really fleshes out and and provides a greater depth of understanding in listening to "Dance". If you haven't read it yet, get over to Ken's site and check it out. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/00000129.html later Robert ===== I'm Only Happy When It's Rains http://www.geocities.com/janetrains2000/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:44:51 -0400 From: "kinney sleater" Subject: New (Old) Photos? No real news to report, but if you do a search for "Liz Phair" on Lycos, you'll be presented with a photo that I don't believe is available on any of the "Gallery" pages on the various sites we're all familiar with, although it IS similar to the very sheryl crow-ish picture found on the slick divide (if not elsewhere). This one is definitely worth checking out, um, closely... http://www.lycos.com/srch/?lpv=1&loc=searchhp&query=%22liz+phair%22 Also, on Mesmerizing the photo by Tiffany Bauer is no longer the one on the Tiffoto site. Tiffoto has a new url at www.tiffoto.com/photo, and Liz's (new, but not recent) picture is on the homepage. Tiffany has re-worked her already-cool site and the new one is excellent. Good profile shot of Liz holding her guitar. Less definitely worth checking out, um, closely, but still a great portrait. Lastly, I'm surprised there were very few comments on Liz being named Maxim Online's "Girlfriend of the Day" a few weeks back. Seems like an odd PR move to me, but it didn't seem to cause much of a stir on the list, except for some discussion of the origin of the photos they used... 9ine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:41:39 EDT From: "Jason Long" Subject: Re: born entertainer Christine wrote: >i went out last night and bought the new veruca salt CD. >i am only about half way done with it, but i am very happy so far. its a >bit more mellow in parts than the previous once, but its ok. i really enjoy >listening to louise sing, i hardley even noticed there was no nina. >now to my question. i picked it up at Big K. anyway, in the start of the >second song, there is a part where it sounds like she is going to say fuck, >but says ff.... or something. is everyone's like that, or did i get a >rated-G version ? also, ive noticed that veruca salt does not swear much on >their CDs. i like it Judging by amazon.com's Web site, there are two versions of the disc: an explicit one and an edited version. Chances are more than likely that you got the edited CD -- usually when there's a choice between two versions, the Wal-Marts and K-marts of the world will stock the "clean" one, if they chose to stock the album at all. When Liz's _whitechocolatespaceegg_ was released, a "clean" version of it was offered as well, although I believe it has since been withdrawn. The whole thing seemed rather pointless to me: they didn't censor any of the music itself (Thank God -- what would be the point anyhow? It's by far the least explicit album Liz has made), but instead altered the album's artwork and lyric sheet (the title "Shitloads of Money" and the "fuck" in "Johnny Feelgood"). I think this is the best example of the difference between how major and indie labels think: _Exile in Guyville_ did not even get a warning sticker from Matador, yet Capitol insisted on releasing an "edited" version of WCSE, Liz's cleanest record. Not that it's really that big of a deal ultimately, but I find the difference in attitudes to be somewhat intriguing. Matador didn't really care if one of their artists were to offend you; Capitol's move seems like an apology-in-advance in case they did. Jase ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:50:20 EDT From: "Jason Long" Subject: Re: Animal Girl Al wrote: >Thanks for the info Jason, about a month ago I came across the >"Supernova" single in the used section of a really cool music store by my >house and debated on whether or not to buy it for $3.99 and didn't. When I >went back this past weekend it was still there and I figured I'd get it on >my next trip if it was still there. I'm gonna have to go git it now and I'm >not giving away the name of the store since someone who lives in my area >may snag it before I have a chance to. Is this the single that has "Combo >Platter" on it, because that's the one I came across. Yes, it is the single with "Combo Platter" -- I hope it's still there when you go back and that you're able to get it. Every Liz completist should have it for their collection. I'm going to be making the rounds of the used record stores this weekend to track down a few out-of-print CDs I'm after. I'll keep my eyes open for any copies of the _Juvenilia_ EP or "Supernova" single. If I do manage to find either, I'll buy them and then offer them to anyone on the list who hasn't got a copy but would like one. Cheers, Jase ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #153 ************************************