From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #143 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, May 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Eminem the homophobe. [tim bean ] off topic: eminem [Riot Poof ] eminem [Tunik21@aol.com] Eminem ["Molly Magdalene" ] taller than a dwarf [BeeFly27@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 03:37:31 -0400 From: tim bean Subject: Re: Eminem the homophobe. >>>DONT BUY THE NEW EMINEM ALBUM. it contains extremely homophobic (see snippet from GLAAD below) and sexist lyrics...please do not support the career of a jerk like this. also, please take time out to write a letter to his manager. I would ask that whoever sent this please take time to examine ALL of eminem's work and examine what he's really trying to say, and also possibly look up the definition of "irony" in the dictionary. Then I would ask that he/she consider whether it's possible for a song's person to be different than the singer themselves (For example, does liz phair's left eye hurt?) Examine these lyrics, also from emimem: Feminist women love Eminem "{*Eminem's vocal turntable*} Slim Shady, I'm sick of him Look at him, walking around grabbing his you-know-what Flipping the you-know-who, yeah, but he's so cute though" Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose But no worse than what's going on in your parents' bedrooms Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't But it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose "My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips" And if I'm lucky, you might just give it a little kiss And that's the message that we deliver to little kids And expect them not to know what a woman's clitoris is Of course they gonna know what intercourse is By the time they hit fourth grade They got the Discovery Channel don't they?"We ain't nothing but mammals" Well, some of us cannibalsWho cut other people open like cantaloupes But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes Then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope That seems like pretty reasonable shit to me. I rarely post on the liz board, because I don't generally have anything to say. But blacklisting artists is a VERY FUCKING SERIOUS THING TO DO. To base your decision on one set of lyrics is very very dangerous. Emimem's actually a real smart guy and he knows what he's doing. He's not "just another homophobic rapper." I don't know... I guess just consider more of his lyrics: "Cuz I am whatever you say I amIf I wasn't then why would I say I am In the paper, the news everyday I amRadio won't even play my jam" Sorry to bother everybody. This just seriously pisses me off. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 05:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Riot Poof Subject: off topic: eminem I am sorry for posting that to the liz phair list. i should have thought twice before posting that to a public list...i guess i got caught up in the moment and just wanted as many people as possible to see that...and since i knew there were lots of queer folks on the list list...well...I still stand by everything i said, but i suppose that is irrelevant. After sending it, i received hate mail from a fan (please do NOT email me again, tim bean), addressed to both me and GLAAD, saying things like... >>I know all of this stuff is really hard for you to understand, but >>understand this: I will e-mail both of you every fucking day until you >>1.apologize for being so stupid and >>2.stop sending this shit out and >>3.send an apology letter to every place you released the bullshit you >>sent out originally. I should have known better than to post to the liz list, but, you know, we gay poeple, in general, are stupid and have a really hard time understanding stuff like this (yawn)...so, sorry all. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:26:53 EDT From: Tunik21@aol.com Subject: eminem I'm so glad you posted that stuff about eminem. I heard he's in an abusive relationship with his wife too (don''t quote me on that though I don't know if it's true of old news or what cause I don't usually follow the lives of celebrities that don't intrigue me. I find it terribly painful that so many people respect him. Keep spreading the word about what a bastard he is. on another note I just saw a wonderful play last nigh Taller that a Dwarf staring none other than the beloved Ferris Bueler (sp). I recomend it to those of you who will be in or near manhattan as of June 11th cause that's when the play ends. The acting was amazing, it was funny and insightful. interms of the release of liz's new album the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:32:53 CDT From: "Molly Magdalene" Subject: Eminem >it contains extremely homophobic (see snippet from GLAAD below) and >sexist >lyrics...please do not support the career of a jerk like this. >also, >please take time out to write a letter to his manager. I'm so disappointed. Now i know that Eminem isn't the first and certainly won't be the last to have content like this in his music, and i know that his first album certainly wasn't all flowers and sunshine, i mean he wrote endless songs about killing the mother of his child and such, but atleast is was ammusing(since you know it was all a "joke"). I don't know why i like..expect more from him? No. That's just way out of line. I know that everyone has the right to think what they want, and say what they want, i just don't know when people are going to learn. If nothing else he can look at this from a shallow corporate aspect and understand that it is more likely that people like us and ours are going to NOT buy his album and encourage others to do the same than it is that those others..who agree with him or what have you are going to buy his album(just cause the content) and encourage others to do the same. I think over all it's the people that are against it rather than for it that always make more of an impact. Never enough of one though, unfortunately, it never ends. He doesn't care what we think. His manager won't care what we think. The album won't get pulled off the shelves, sales won't plumet, and i don't know that we will be heard, because so many others have done it before and gotten away with it. I realize i just meandered away into a nothingness with that...my apologies. M "I wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys Those christian boys, so you can make me cum that doesn't make you Jesus" ~Tori Amos~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:18:14 EDT From: BeeFly27@aol.com Subject: taller than a dwarf isnt parker posey in that my mom grew up with her dad. that makes me feel indirectly cooler i love her movies kim ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #143 ************************************