From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #139 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, May 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Heres a question: Prices? ["Michael Honaker" ] recently. . . [Exile217@aol.com] The New Album/Sinead O'connor ["Jen Lott" ] making shirts [Melissa Leigh ] RE: Heres a question: Prices? [Gerardo ] bits and articles [Steven Furlow ] Mesmerizing updated (finally) [Kenneth Lee ] Chicago Liz News [Jason Saldanha ] Replacements tribute ["Robert Hart" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:07 -0700 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: Heres a question: Prices? > For Liz Collectors, if you are interested I am offering the following. > E-mail me for song lists or questions & prices: Although I agree with getting paid whenever possible, isn't it much easier and more pleasing to the mind to just trade? I think so... >Phairytales and Phairweather also have most in mp3 so you should check >that out, especially if you have a CD burner Oh yeah, I changed Phairweather a long time ago. Just incase anyone is wondering, It isn't "Phairweather" anymore. It's now Supernova, and the new URL is http://www.eurekanet.com/~mhonaker/supernova.html Actually there are 15 bootlegs for download, and Girlysound as well. It would be a lot easier to download and decode from mp3 to wav and then burn them to a cd-r. any problems with the files...let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:43:34 EDT From: Exile217@aol.com Subject: recently. . . i was at the craft store the other day and came across a computer program for photo transfers. it's originally designed to put family portraits on quilt squares, or something like that. i of course thought it would be great for making a liz t-shirt, etc. does anyone have any thoughts on this, or has anyone already done it? any legal objections? i don't have any intentions of profiting from this. let me know. . . also, in reference to the person posting about considering leaving due to small digest content. . . i have been perfectly happy lately receiving a digest with only a few messages. since there is little or no liz news currently, it's to be expected. and definitely much better than what was going on prior. ~liz b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:14:54 EDT From: "Jen Lott" Subject: The New Album/Sinead O'connor Hi, I haven't said anything in awhile, but I was wondering the exact release date of Liz's new album. If any of you have been watching VH-1, Sinead is coming out with a new album June 14. Does anyone else like her? I LOVE that song that's out as a single right now. Jen ROSS - So, uh, what did the insurance company say? CHANDLER - Oh, they said uh, "You don't have insurance here so stop calling us." From "Friends" (1994) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:36:54 -0400 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: making shirts I've had experience with the iron on transfers and they're really not that great. (IMHO). I made myself a liz t-shirt for lilith fair with photoshop and iron on transfer sheets and while it looked pretty good, the edges are peeling a bit and I'm afraid to wash it. I tend to think of iron-ons as a "disposable t-shirt" kind of method. If you want one for a day it's great, but they don't last like the professionally done shirts. I've heard there's a difference in quality for the transfer sheets though so if you buy the super high quality ones in bulk it might not be so bad. I'm currently looking into silkscreening for a summer project, but that's on a small scale for now. If I'm any good at it I may try to put out some shirts for others. Copyright stuff: Making your own shirts is pretty illegal. Matador didn't car so much, but Capitol might. Of course they completely ignore us, so it doesn't really matter I guess. They haven't even updated liz's web page. It has info from the second lilith fair. I doubt they would notice if we al got together and designed a shirt to have professionally silkscreened like when Ross Jeffcoat made the red and black shirt. If anyone is willing to take on the responsibility you have a buyer right here;). I wasn't aware of the no bootleg selling list policy, but Thank goodness that guy was given the smackdown by Jase. I would have been pissed if someone actually paid money to him for WCSE sessions. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: RE: Heres a question: Prices? I got Girlysound from your site recently and i had them burned. high quality, great sound, how did you get that perfect copy? i had girlysounds in mp3 before getting them from your site and those sounded awfuly bad. You know, after a listen, i think there are great songs in girlysounds that haven't had been re-worked: Wild thing, in love with yourself, fuck or die, beg me, california, easy, batmobile etc. A guy said that a song from the girlysounds was reworked and it is going to be in 'An evening with...' what was that song? Anyone knows the story of how liz was discovered by matador? who heard the girlysounds first? who started distributing them later in 1993? I apologize for my terrible grammar, i'm still working on it, actually, i'm living for about a year in Canada since this coming Aaugust, if i'm lucky, i will live near a big city, so i'm going to be able to see some shows (ron sexsmith, here i go!) and have access to good music easily. Thank you. Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Furlow Subject: bits and articles Hello, First, the T-Shirt ideas are a Great Idea! Having said that, I couldn't begin to help with how to do it, but you have my support and little help I might offer.. This is a long post, but is on-topic (about Liz that is) so I am justifying it with that. I am home for the summer and cleaning up my room when I ran across this old article. I don't know if it has been posted before, by me or others, but here it is. On a side note, having randomly read many of the last couple of months posts, I am distressed. I sincerely hope that we as a list, a support system one might say, are in a slump. Without going off on a sentimental twist, I remember joining almost a year ago, the excitement, the new discoveries the friendships through the list and #WCSE. I hope that everyone can bond together and bring some new listers into the fold and that eventually those that have left, or are MIA will return. Sorry if I am dredging up old wounds, but I had to say it. Speaking of it, is #WCSE still functioning? Has the name changed? Do people still meet. If anyone does, please let me know. Thanks for your patience. Here is the article, sorry it is a bit long. I hope that I don't violate any list policies (a joke Jase.) Frank Lyrics Still Running In Her Mind.-Sunday April 24, 1994 Indianapolis Star Knight-Ridder Newspapers Liz Phair's in love. The woman who ranted about lust and searched for one good man on her splendid debut album, Exile in Guyville, has found the relationship she was looking for. Has it changed her music? Somewhat, but the frank sexual talk of Guyville hasn't been lost. "I can't help it; no matter how I do this, my best songs have profanity in them," Phair, 26, exclaims with a laugh. "I get attacked for it; someone's always going to say I'm trying to shock. But I swear to God, these are my best songs. It isn't to be shocking. I just keep writing this way." Phair understands why these songs cause such a stir. "Men don't think that nice girls from good families should have these thoughts, but we do." Phair hails from the Chicago suburb of Winnetka. Her father is an AIDS researcher and chief of infectious diseases at Northwestern University Memorial Hospital. Her mother is an art teacher. Phair studied art at Oberlin College and made a living selling charcoal drawings before she began making music. Speaking for Women The songs on Guyville were inspired by her musical and personal dealing in Chicago's male-dominated underground rock scene. It was one of 1993's most acclaimed albums and set Phair up as an unwitting-but not unwilling-feminist spokeswoman. "I know how it works. Any spokesperson gets ripped down. I'm at the top of the mountain now. I'll be rejected, then rediscovered and returned to prominence. The game plan is to just work through it and keep doing what I do regardless of what kind of role I'm assigned outside the music." Right now, Phair is busy making more music, finishing songs for an album due out this fall. She says to expect "basically good ol' Liz Phair stuff, love and minutiae," but she acknowledges that the new relationship-with the editor of her first video- has put a new spin on her songs. "I'm in more of a settled state-but of course it's not that settled. There's more freedom, more joy, less tension, although there's absolute outbursts, too." "There's one song called Jealousy that I'm really proud of...I never experienced jealousy until I met my boyfriend. I did not realize how much I had controlled situations in the past and how demanding I had been, without being perceived as demanding, ever. I prided myself on the fact that they loved me this way because I was in some way better. It didn't occur to me that maybe I was being a manipulative jerk, you know?" Sort of interesting I think. There is another article in the same paper that features Liz prominently, but I am tired from work today and am going to bed. If there is interest, I can transcribe it for y'all. For those of you out of school for the summer (or soon will be) have a wonderful summer night/day. For everyone else, have a wonderful weeknight/day. Creeping back into the shadows, wishing for them old days. steven ===== "Back in school, I found the only written truth on bathroom stalls and telephone booths, I studied awhile, but college got in my way" - -ellis paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:45:01 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Mesmerizing updated (finally) Hi everyone, I've added a bunch of pictures to my site. You might have seen them all, but then again you might not have. (BTW, the pictures in question are 599 through 610) Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:58:00 -0500 From: Jason Saldanha Subject: Chicago Liz News Hi All, I was listening to WXRT Sound Opinions show, and Jim DeRogatis mentioned the death of the Chicago Class of '92, the Smashing Pumpkins, Veruca Salt, and LIZ PHAIR. He said that she is moving to LA and ended at that. Did anyone else hear that? Its a loss for all us Chicagoans as a source for pride that she resided in our city. And now the Pumpkins are disbanded after a great album. Man, the boybands have kicked ass and are taking names. Going to sleep sad... Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:50:05 PDT From: "Robert Hart" Subject: Replacements tribute For those fans of the Mats and Paul Westerberg, I am now listening to an amazing Australian tribute record titled, "I'm in Love... with that song." It features something like 23 tracks, some really interesting versions of favorites from Tim, Pleased to Meet Me, Let It Be. Peter Jesperson, the long time manager, producer of the Mats at Twin Tone, endorsed the record. For those (like me) who were dissapointed with the greatest hits release a few years ago, this is a telling tribute. I bought it online through amazon, though I haven't seen it anywhere in the States. It gets down to the garage band spirit, the craftsmanship that makes Westerberg such a genius. Rob Hart ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #139 ************************************