From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #129 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, May 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- in response to Molly / irate posts ["Michael Honaker" ] NLR: Don't leave the list!!!!!! ["crack head" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:14:22 -0700 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: in response to Molly / irate posts Molly Magdalene wrote: >I wonder if the world would just be shocked and >amazed if i simply said that you had a good point.... Well, I have no idea of whether you're typing that out of sarcasm or not, so I'll just not make any judgements. I admit that I'm not helping the list too much by making the mistake of using that one word that started a bunch of stuff, but couldn't we just fight the temptation to keep talking about it? In my opinion, thats partly what makes the list boring and irate in some aspects. I'm not too good at resisting the temptation of replying to certain remarks, but a lot of people on here are the same way. I think mostly, people do not mean to be offensive. It's just hard to interpret exactly what they mean just by reading text. No one really has any idea of what the other person is thinking at the moment they're typing. I mean, they could be a generally happy person, and try and say something in a joking manner, (and think that its an obvious joke), and not really explain themselves. Then it goes into someone taking offense, or sometimes not really taking offense, just wanting to rant and rave about something. As for other discussions besides offending people with certian words or such things, people should try and think for a moment that when they reply about someone stating something about KoRn or Limp Bizkit (just as an example), like I've seen... they should remember that they're replying to *opinions*, not someone trying to state facts... If someone wants to believe that Limp Bizkit inticed riots and things at Woodstock and other concerts, then let them believe it. Its their choice. If you think they're stupid or ignorant, then thats *your* choice and opinion... they shouldn't try and say "no, thats not the way it is and i think you're fucking stupid!!" Thats what intices flame wars and people to start replying with rude posts. And if you really want to be rude, why not have the decency to email privately and save the subscribers the time of reading something that might seem stupid or ignorant to them? As for a solution to the problem of the list, Jase, (and I know its not really my place to talk about offensive posts), but I don't know how the list will go back to "the way it used to be" with so many irate posts and messages. Something should be done, cause honestly it was pleasant to read through when I first subscribed, but, it honestly could be worse... there could be no posts at all, which would be totally boring, or there could be an irate rant from every subscriber... then the list would have no hope of becoming anything better than it is right now (and its not that good). I wonder if there's a way to have certain words blocked from appearing, without having to go through each post... Some email systems do it. They simply insert "" in the place of it. It would be nice to have something like that, if there was an automated way. Its sad that long-time subscribers feel that its neccesary to unsubscribe. Like I said, I didn't help any with my certain word... but I don't think any one else really helped make it a pleasant thing to read either. And hell, I only typed a single word... Then everyone feels its the right thing to do, (even though I apologized), with dragging it on and/or sending private email saying "you're stupid", "fuck you" or "why don't you just grow up or unsubscribe!" They're being way more offensive than I was with one word... For some reason there seems to be an awful lot of angry people everywhere, on the list and in reality... all I know is that Mankind will destroy itself eventually. So, thats my post, and I opologize for it being longer than I intended. And If anyone wishes to direct inapropriate words or sentances to me, please do it through private email, the list doesn't need any more crap bogging it down. - -Michael - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- mhonaker@eurekanet.com The Liz Phair Bootleg Archive: Supernova http://www.eurekanet.com/~mhonaker/supernova.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:00:38 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Milla Jovovich Gerardo wrote: "Here is a talented person, everybody should get her album, you're all going to love it. A friend told me about her having a great album out, i was skeptical about it, but for my suprise, it is a beautiful lyrical and musical work, and she has an incredible unusual voice. She writes and plays in the album. What else can i say? get 'Charlie' from my i-drive shared folder and give it a listen: https://www.idrive.com/gerardo_c/files/Shared/ " I couldn't agree more this was one of my favorite CD's when it came out about five years ago, very laid back with a good deal of string arrangements. In one word, dreamy! TAD NP Neil Young "Silver and Gold" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:27:48 GMT From: "pat flynn" Subject: Re: SLC: Musical Stereotypes > Previously, they had (at best) Elton >John, the Village People, and maybe Barry Manilow. the thing is that gay men have always been into strong diva women. i mean diana ross and gloria gaynor-right every time i am at a gay club i hear music like that, now the strong powerful women have become liz phairand ani. i dont really agree with your whole cobain and liz revolution from village people. i think that gay men have always been into strong women, i understand your point but it doesnt explain a bunch of gay men singing i will survive. pat np-third eye blind ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:53 EDT From: "crack head" Subject: NLR: Don't leave the list!!!!!! Hi guys, I'd just like to say something in regards to all this stuff about people leaving the list. I think that's silly. Now, maybe I'm just not into the right music, or something, but I'm on two other mailing lists (Poe and Heather Nova) and both of those other lists occasionally get into some major discussions that become flame-wars. *shrug* To me, it's just something that happens. Like the whole Woodstock thing... there are people that are brought together on flimsy common ground, and there are going to be inevitable disagreements. I kind of like the drama of it all. I like reading all this stuff and getting pissed off at one person and then getting pissed off at the next person for his or her rebuttal. I know that these flame-wars annoy some people (and rightly so). I have a suggestion though, and you can take it with a grain of salt or whatever. Anything that has to do with a discussion NOT related to Liz, put NLR: in the subject line. (Not Liz Related) That way, those of you that hate off-topic threads so much can put a filter on your email client and not receive anything that might piss you off. (This is done on the Poe mailing list, and for the most part, when people abide, it works.) There's no need to leave the list, I don't think... Even if a lot of these discussions become inane and too drawn-out, they initially start out with some good thoughts behind them. (And like I said before, I like the drama of the whole thing.) I also hate the idea of this list becoming obsolete... I don't know you, Jase, but you seem like a cool guy and it's obvious that you put a lot of work into maintaining this list and trying to keep everyone OK with each other... I would just hate to see this list disappear. I guess that's all I need to say, but... well... let's just try the NLR: thing, OK? In fact, I'm gonna put it on this message so that I set a good example for you all. :) Erin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #129 ************************************