From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #128 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, May 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Nina [Gerardo ] SLC: Musical Stereotypes ["Michael Worrell" ] Re: SHIVAREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [DiskoBoy23@aol.com] peace and love [Biggerd000@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V3 #127 [Biggerd000@aol.com] Re: Veruca Salt and suchlike ["Steven Adams" ] The Sundays ["Chipko Arnold" ] DONT UNSUBSCRIBE [jgay@nhpri.org] RE: SHIVAREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Henry, Gregory" ] RE: Musical Stereotypes ["Henry, Gregory" ] [none] ["Molly Magdalene" ] Milla Jovovich [Gerardo ] Re: SLC: Musical Stereotypes [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Jase or someone start a new list....or start cancelling meberships.... [T] box set alternative [Gerardo ] Re: Jase or someone start a new list....or start cancelling meberships.... [jase@iaw.on] release date [Trent Vanegas ] Re: Nina [HOLEPARTS@aol.com] Re: Veruca Salt and suchlike [HOLEPARTS@aol.com] RE: release date [Gerardo ] Re: release date [HOLEPARTS@aol.com] Re: release date ["David Klotz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: Re: Nina <> oops: thighs Do you have those songs of her new album in mp3? if you have them, please, would you take a time to upload them in my i-drive dropbox? https://www.idrive.com/gerardo_c/ And yes, it is hard to judge sometimes, especially in the moment that you're actually listening to both 'American thighs' or 'Eight arms to hold you', but EATHY has this... i don't know... a listen to 'Loneliness is worse' is enough to explain what i'm trying to say. Speaking of VS, some time ago, i got these mp3s from a bootleg called 'Veruca Salt Live at the chocolate factory', all songs i got were unamed, anyway, in the beginning of one song, nina started singing 'Supernova' going like: 'Na na na na supernova..' and the crowd started yelling, pretty weird... don't know really if she was trying to make fun of the supposed supernova-sell out thing. Thank you, listen to Elliott Smith. Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:44:34 -0400 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: SLC: Musical Stereotypes A lot of people have mentioned something about a certain sexual orientation being 'predisposed' to liking the music of Liz Phair et al. I don't necessarily disagree there; I have no information--but I've sketched out a theory as to why that's a popular (mis)conception. For what it's worth, here goes: The roots of the stereotype come from the great alternative music revolution of the early 1990s, spearheaded by Kurt Cobain, Liz Phair, and others. Rewind to the late 1980s and the pre-Seattle 1990s. The primary bands of the 'in' crowd were Guns 'n Roses, the heavy metal hard-drinking-and-drugging types for whom women were, as Warrant put it, cherry pie--and not much else. If a woman wasn't on her knees or flat on her back, she wasn't worth a damn to Axl Rose and Company. However... along came Cobain and destroyed that--absolutely incinerated the previous musical archetype. Same with Liz Phair and her contemporaries. Now, women weren't exactly just convenient sex objects. Alanis Morissette went head-to-head with that thinking; Liz Phair scoffed and threatened to toss people up and pump them full of lead. This shift in tastes left the 'in' crowd out, scrambling for position like they'd never had to before. They had to cope and re-adjust to a musical scene that catered to a lot of people. (Looking back to 1991-2 from 2000, it seems that they went into hibernation until Fred Durst and Company came along, the more I think about) Since their entire worldview was banked upon being the 'in' crowd and never facing a challenge, something had to be done. To them, the only course of action was to denigrate the new model. What's the worst thing you can call a white heterosexual male? Dingdingding, 'gay'. Anyone who likes the 'new' music was automatically classified as a 'fag', without cause. Admittedly, the alternative revolution in music allowed the previously musically disenfranchised peoples to get artists who perhaps while not sharing their viewpoint to the hilt (although certainly Sophie B. Hawkins did, with her 'Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover'). at the same time were not diametrically opposed to them. The great anti-hero of the movement, Cobain himself was rumored to be bisexual. While I have no information upon the truth of this, (and it really doesn't matter) the mere assertion was enough to radically shake the 'ancien regime' of G'nR, RATT, etc. Nobody would have dared to say that about Axl Rose--he would've started swinging. Take certain aspects of the alternative lifestyles: Previously, they had (at best) Elton John, the Village People, and maybe Barry Manilow. Now, they had people like Cobain and so forth to listen to, without feeling cheapened or 'targeted'. For what it's worth, that's the product of a day's thought while mowing the lawn and thinking my own personal experiences over. It appears that Jefferson Airplane helps stimulate the brain, 'cause I thought of this after listening to 'The Worst of Jefferson Airplane'. Go figure. Any disagreements, approvals, etc. are welcome. Michael Worrell NP: 'The Mummers' Dance', Loreena McKennitt "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - --Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:28:20 EDT From: DiskoBoy23@aol.com Subject: Re: SHIVAREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fellow Liz Freaks, I'm telling you all if you love the depth and experimentation Liz was know for from the beginning you will love this band! They just played two shows in Chicago and they both were mesmerizing! Ambrosia (the singer) has a voice that will give you an instant orgasm! Girls that are straight have told me after hearing her sing that she is the only girl that could make them gay! It is amazing, the spell they cast on all that see them, you must check out Shivaree!!!! dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:45:15 EDT From: Biggerd000@aol.com Subject: peace and love alright tonight was so awesome my god i am still feelin that love buzz now in my life there has been one person that is completely perfect and i have never been able to have her she has been the inspiration for all the songs i have writtin in the past couple of years now while this is worthless information to you guys i write cause i am filled with joy and want to tell someone anyway this gal is a fan of liz so there is my liz content but me and a friend went over to her house tonight and we were havin just a few brews some more people showed up and i mentioned that i was really gettin into xtc alot lately and she loves xtc so she popped in a disc of them then as we are all leavin her house she calls my name i look back and she wants to give me a hug good bye which doesnt really suprise me cause we are pretty good friends though we have never hooked up or anything (she is like 8 years older then me.... im gonna turn 21 in like 17 days) anyway she is huggin me goodbye and we are sharin the moment i mean we have a real love for eachother we have had some really nice talks over the past couple of years and that also adds to why i care for her so much (damnit i keep talkin about all this other shit when i need to get to the point) well we are huggin good bye and she pecks me on the lips goodbye and i say 'can i get another kiss?' so she gives me another peck then another peck and another then we have a full on french kiss and my legs start shakin its weird in the past few months i have thought to myself how i havent had that special feelin one gets when they kiss someone cept with my first serious girlfriend but this time i got that feelin my legs start shakin and im feelin a love buzz like you cant imagine then we say good bye and while everyone is standin there while i slip on my shoes to walk out the door everyone wants me to finish my beer but i am feelin so weird from the kiss i can barely talk let alone drink beer but i do finish it and me and my friend leave but damnit guys i havent felt this good since my first and only love its hard to explain but i am sure you all will relate its such a nice feelin better then any drug in fact afterwards i went to my neighbors house thinkin that i might wanna hang out but i dont feel like drinkin anymore alcohol i just feel like lyin in my bed and enjoy this love buzz as i fall to sleep another high point of my day is i bought fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72 by hunter s. thompson who is pretty much my favorite author and i was so thrilled to see a quote from him on the last digest well i am signing off i hope the rest of you get to feel what i am feelin right now p.s. to that gal that said that she was not gonna get the list anymore i would like her to know that i understand her feelings about the list but dont give up we can all make this a great mailing list digest thingy even with no liz content though that should be our main concern but there isnt always somethin to sy about liz andi know that i havent contributed to the conversation that much and when i do its a bunch of bullshit but lets "cometogether right now "-john lennon and enjoy life to its fullest and all that stuff peace and love keep the faith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:00:58 EDT From: Biggerd000@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #127 just downloaded got me down by nina gordon thanks to gerardo damn tis a good song love it thanks gerardo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:54:50 +1000 From: "Steven Adams" Subject: Re: Veruca Salt and suchlike > Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:24:36 EDT > well, im on a VS list, > ~Mike Hi Mike, whats the name of the mailing list??? and where can I find info on subscribing (even though my inbox groans whenever I logon) Were you ever on the same list as Maurice "Cheeks" Mattis? I think he was list maintainer. > From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com > Subject: Re: Nina >I thought that VS's 8 arms to hold you was better than american thighs > tho I like EATHY too, but I always wondered what it would have sounded like if Bob Rock didn't produce it, a lot of ppl said it was such a departure from their normal style, but then other said it was more like the 'them' when they initially started. I also wonder whether Nina would've done what she did had her brother Jim not left the band (OK, obviously not cheated with Stacy since he wouldn't have been there), but, emotionally, coping with not having any family around, I remember prior to the break up a few ppl had been saying there were some problems on the tour. bleh, too many "what ifs" Has anyone heard of UltraSwiss (Jim's band), or know what they're doing now?? Does anyone have a recording of 'Hey, little ghost', 'Halloween', 'Oreo', or 'Side of the Road' (they did a cover of it) - I've only got a RealAudio of it - and RA sucks for quality :-( Steven PS about unsubbing due to Signal/Noise on the list being out of whack, but why not just skim the subject listing, if nothing interests you, send it to /dev/null if something grabs you, read it, then you don't miss the occasional gems of info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:07:49 -0700 From: Greg Bishop Subject: Re: The Long Goodbye from Meredith Meredith's final post brings just-under-the-surface feelings up for me. She is right on target. Is there another Liz list with less sniping and more Liz content? I still want to be in on bootleg info and tape trees, etc, but I don't like the 95% non-liz content anymore. I may be narrow-minded, but perhaps Tori Amos, Juliana Hatfield, Aimee Mann, Veruca Salt, and other singers/ bands should (and probably do) have their own lists. Perhaps the bickering should be left to others and a new list can be started up elsewhere. Or maybe a rule that negative or non-Liz threads cannot go on past 1 reply. (Like that would be effective....) I'm VERY tempted at this point to unsubscribe as well. Hoping, Greg B. PS Sorry about my own recent contribution to this mess. And thanks to Jase for all of his efforts to keep this list going over the past few years. (Been getting them since the Liz Phair Digest incarnation.) NP-- LIZ PHAIR: THAT'S IT. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:18:05 PDT From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: The Sundays "So it's goodbye..." So said the great british band The Sundays and so it seems. All this crap over the last week has driven the best members from this list away. Instead we now have a bunch on boneheaded morons who don't know when to let a subject lie. Doesn't the phrase 'flogging a dead horse' mean anything to you? And to think that people used to get upset about people posting about their favourite things, whatever and however off-subject. At least it was FUN. Yes, the F word. That's what this list is/was all about. Now it seems that all the fun people are going because they feel the list has gone the wrong way. I have to agree with them. I hadn't read most of this week's posts as i didn't have time, but when i got 'round to it i was shocked to see how quickly i hit the delete button. Let's call a truce. Retire to neutral (milk hotel) corners. Call up the unsubscribers and offer an olive branch. Let's get back to normal. Let's NOT grow up, let's have FUN, let's be stupid in a childLIKE, not childISH way. If you don't understand the difference and want to carry on this dumb flame war, then GO F*%K YOURSELF. I'm sad to see some of my buddy's leaving for the sake of a few cretins. Come back guys, let's talk nonsense again. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:37 -0400 From: jgay@nhpri.org Subject: DONT UNSUBSCRIBE IMHO, thats just copping out--take control of your list people, don't just walk away. There are a lot of jerks everywhere, you cant go live in the mountains! Ignore the posts that bug you, and focus on the "good" ones. remember the episode of the Simpsons when the big ads came to life? When people ignored them, they just went away :-) Peace Jeff :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:38:05 -0400 From: "Henry, Gregory" Subject: RE: SHIVAREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello people: Several things. First, just a friendly warning to listees. I bought the Shivaree disc on the recommendation of people on the list, and it sounds nothing like Liz, contrary to what was said. The singer(s?) have very wimpy voices, kinda like Hope Sandoval (whom I love) but without the edge. It's quite country, but with all this jive programming. Weird. But no offense to whoever recommended Shivaree. I just hate to waste money on stuff I don't like. You all may like it, though. Greg P.S. It's my last day at work, but I'll probably resubscribe from home. I for one think the list is pretty neat-o. I don't know what everyone's talking about, and I find it ironic that the people who are complaining about the list's quality are the very people whose e-mails I'm wasting time deleting these days. Help! Delete button finger almost worn out ... Life force almost depleted ... Must warn others ... Re: the list. I find out about lots of stuff on it, and have gotten my hands on tons of (mostly) free material. So what if there are a few flame wars? I love getting to know the personalities of different people. I guess that's why I'm addicted to the "Voice of the people" section of the New York Daily News. Oh, well, I've outed myself as a nerd, I guess. But I love you all. If any of you work in the World Financial Center or thereabouts, stop by Ed Moran's and ask for the Greg Henry table, and I'll buy you a drink. (No top shelf!) (J.K.) Rock on. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:41:47 -0400 From: "Henry, Gregory" Subject: RE: Musical Stereotypes Michael Worrell wrote: Previously, they had (at best) Elton John, the Village People, and maybe Barry Manilow. Now, they had people like Cobain and so forth to listen to, without feeling cheapened or 'targeted'. I agree, Michael. I remember with great poignance the olde days of my youth, where the only role models for tender young gay lads like myself were Little Richard and Liberace (and he's with the angels now). But they both rocked. Kinda. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:16:36 CDT From: "Molly Magdalene" Subject: [none] >but what about the people that might take offense to the word "fuck"? >You >seem to use it an awful lot... you might be offending me... or a >million >other people. One word is just as bad as the next, and >they're only bad >if you take them that way. I wonder if the world would just be shocked and amazed if i simply said that you had a good point.... M "If you want to challenge the system, don't go to bed with it" ~Ani DiFranco'~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:29:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: Milla Jovovich Here is a talented person, everybody should get her album, you're all going to love it. A friend told me about her having a great album out, i was skeptical about it, but for my suprise, it is a beautiful lyrical and musical work, and she has an incredible unusual voice. She writes and plays in the album. What else can i say? get 'Charlie' from my i-drive shared folder and give it a listen: https://www.idrive.com/gerardo_c/files/Shared/ Thank you. Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:17:20 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: SLC: Musical Stereotypes Kurt Cobain Was Bi, he came out in the pages of the Advocate, a gay/lesbian newsmagazine, right at the hight of his band's peak. And he said if he hadn't met Courtney, he would have carried on with a Bi lifestyle. The Village Voice thought he had come only halfway out, and was in fact gay, but I never beleived that. Brave man who died before his time. For all his problems he was cool. Jase I'm thinking about what you send and in the next couple of days I'll give you a reply about the list, I'm just too tired right now to do any heavy thinking. Just so you don't wonder what happened to me. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:14 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Jase or someone start a new list....or start cancelling meberships.... op said I've been thinking this for a while, can't a list be started by invitation only? The invitees could vote for a moderator(Jase) and set the rules. Give the moderator the power to expel people from the list who cause problems,and or we could vote to have someone removed. I know this sounds sad but as long as people have the ability to sign onto a list of this magnitude these things are going to happen. Why not make it that you have to be recommended by a current list member in order to be a member. Just kind thinkin out loud(shootin from the hip) but maybe some other ideas will spawn from this. Thoughts/ideas??????????????? TAD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:34:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: box set alternative Remember that bootleg FTP that used to be up with all liz's bootlegs and rarities? The owner moved to England as i remember... An aleternative for the Box set would be an FTP like that one... with all bootlegs and rarities aviable ripped in mp3s, cause, i don't want to sound pessimistic, but making a box set sounds pretty hard and expensive, i mean, a good box set with the art, etc. Are you supposed to pay a company to make the cds? i don't quite understand this... Even if you make the box set (whoever it is), it would be great if someone with a fast/stable connection hosted the ftp, cause' Phairities is needed here :), i don't support piracy, but bootlegs are a special case, they're very hard to find (i got a morrissey boot last week woohoo!) When the old liz ftp was up, i got these bootlegs: *04-01-96_Chicago *Another brick in the wall *Extras - WhiteChocolateSpaceEgg *Fuck and Run *Girlysounds (yay) *Lounge Ax - 03-14-99 *Portland ME - 02-12-99 *Pottymouth Girl If someone would like to host the ftp and misses some of the stuff i have, i will upload them. I'm thinking of putting girlysounds up in my idrive, but idrive can be so slow, ftp will be perfect. Thank you. Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:59:04 -0400 From: jase@iaw.on.ca Subject: Re: Jase or someone start a new list....or start cancelling meberships.... TAD wrote: >I've been thinking this for a while, can't a list be started by invitation >only? >The invitees could vote for a moderator(Jase) and set the rules. Give the >moderator the power to expel people from the list who cause problems,and or >we could vote to have someone removed. >I know this sounds sad but as long as people have the ability to sign onto a >list of this magnitude these things are going to happen. >Why not make it that you have to be recommended by a current list member in >order to be a member. >Just kind thinkin out loud(shootin from the hip) but maybe some other ideas >will spawn from this. > >Thoughts/ideas??????????????? I know a few other people have mentioned the idea of starting a new list, but I really see no need for it -- instead, we can keep the current list, but make some modifications to it. It is quite obvious that some changes do need to be made, and I'm ready to do whatever's necessary to move the list back closer to its former state. I sent out an e-mail to several people the other night, some of who have already unsubbed and others who have talked about doing so, to solicit some ideas on what can be done to improve the list. I'm slowly getting feedback from everyone and a lot of the suggestions so far have been incredibly constructive. I will be acting on some of these ideas and gradually instating them. I'd also like to open this up to everyone who's currently on the list right now -- if you have any ideas on what path we should take, I would really appreciate the feedback. I had wanted to send my e-mail to a number of other people, but I was at work at the time and didn't have everyone's address handy and wasn't ready just yet to open it up to the list at large. Just so everyone who wasn't on the original mailing can see it, here's the message I had sent out: >Hey everyone, > >If you're receiving this it's either because you've recently unsubscribed >from the list because of its current problems, posted to the list about >these problems or just because I respect your opinions and would like to >get some feedback from you. > >It has been apparent for a while now that some changes to the list have >needed to be made, and I will take responsibly for not acting sooner. I >really should have. I'm quite disappointed with the current state of the >list, but even moreso that so many people who have been among the list's >greatest contributors in the past now don't even want anything to do with >it. > >It's quite obvious that something needs to be done -- this is the lowest >point the list has ever reached, and I refuse to let it spiral any further. > >As for what needs to be done, I have some ideas and others have been >suggested to me, and I would just like to run them by you all. > >Sandra pointed out to me that I do have the power to unsub problem >subscribers -- as much as I really don't like doing this, if it needs to be >done, I guess I don't have any choice. The most important thing is to >maintain a certain standard for the list, not worry about whether or not I >piss someone off. >She also suggested a "three-strike" system, which I think would be a good >idea, as long as the guidelines for it and list policies as to what is >tolerated and what is not are clear. If anyone has any ideas what these >policies should be, please let me know -- I'd really appreciate some >feedback here. > >I also have some ideas of my own, many of which build off things that some >of you have suggested to me either on the list, through private e-mail or >on #wcse. >The one I'm really leaning towards right now is going back to running the >list manually and just not letting any offensive postings or ones that >violate our guidelines through to the list at large. We never had these >problems when I ran the list manually before -- I think people tend to not >try to get away with things when they know that I could simply block their >postings from going through. > >Also, it would go back to being digest only, eliminating the real-time >version of the list. It seems like a lot of the problems seem to stem from >the people who receive the list in that format (although there are >thoughtful, considerate people on the real-time list as well, such as >Andrea and TMK). > >The other option might be to leave the list on smoe.org, but change the >list configuration so that I could moderate all of the postings. This seems to >work well on other lists, such as Chalkhills (the XTC list). > >I'm also thinking of putting together a Liz newsletter, for those who just >want to keep up on Liz news and the most revelant posts from the list, >without having to deal with the "signal-to-noise" ratio of the list itself. > >Ross Jeffcoat tried this for a while in '96 when the Guyville list started >to turn sour and it worked well. Unfortunately, his newsletter seems to >have been abandoned. > >The frequency at which I sent out the newsletter would simply depend on how >much Liz news there was at a given time. The only downfall to this idea is >that it wouldn't really be much of a forum, since there would be no >postings and exchange of ideas, and also no sense of community. But I'm sure >that there are still a number of people who would appreciate and benefit from >it. > >Anyway, please let me know what you all think about these ideas. As for >those who have already left the list, once things have improved again, I >hope you will come back. I'm going to miss hearing from a lot of you, >especially Sandra, Janet and Meredith. > > >Cheers, > >Jase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:25:54 -0400 From: Trent Vanegas Subject: release date can someone post the latest list news on Liz releasing her album this year? sorry if this has been rehashed ad nauseam t "ever since I met you on a cloudy Monday I can't believe how much I love the rain" --Chantal Kreviazuk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:49:34 EDT From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: Nina In a message dated 5/12/00 12:22:52 AM Central Daylight Time, moulinex.deux@mail.com writes: << a listen to 'Loneliness is worse' is enough to explain what i'm trying to say. >> Loneliness Is Worse is my favorite Veruca Salt song. IT is really good, and Nina mixed the emotional parts of the songs with some awesome rock riffs to make it a REALLY good song. you could tell that it came from a really sentimental part of her. Especially the line "love liked me long ago, it had a way of making everyone the same- but how the angels, must laugh inside, pleading with you, and needing you this way....." (i think that is right, i dont have the cd here) ~Mike a straight white male ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:54:03 EDT From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: Veruca Salt and suchlike In a message dated 5/12/00 3:00:15 AM Central Daylight Time, adams_s@lab.eng.usyd.edu.au writes: << Hi Mike, whats the name of the mailing list??? and where can I find info on subscribing (even though my inbox groans whenever I logon) Were you ever on the same list as Maurice "Cheeks" Mattis? I think he was list maintainer. >> the list that I am on is called forsythia, and you can find more info on it @ onelist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: RE: release date We're not sure Trent, it is rumoured to be released this year, it is romured that she has 16 tracks all set, maybe 22 (i heard that one too). If you want to hear some of the new songs, go to: http://www.liz-phair.com/mp3s.htm Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:17:25 EDT From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: release date In a message dated 5/12/00 10:57:58 PM Central Daylight Time, moulinex.deux@mail.com writes: << http://www.liz-phair.com/mp3s.htm >> thanks for the link (even tho it wasnt directed at me). its a cool site, and i am downloading "beginning to see the light". why do some of the mp3 links not work though? i tried downloading "conversation between 2 bouncers" and some other song (i cant remember) and it would give me a missing page pop up. i dont know about the others though, because "beginning...." worked. ~Mike a straight white male ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:37:59 -0700 From: "David Klotz" Subject: Re: release date Probably most people already know this, but since we're on the topic, Aaron Walker's Stratford on Guy page has a rotating set of rare and live mp3s available. There's usually only a few at a time, and the rotation is erratic (maybe every day, maybe once a month) but its an extensive collection. http://www.visi.com/~lazlo//liz/ http://www.visi.com/~lazlo//liz/sounds/mpeg.html - -- Dave Klotz Computer Security Lab UC - Davis klotz@cs.ucdavis.edu - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: Re: release date > In a message dated 5/12/00 10:57:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > moulinex.deux@mail.com writes: > > << http://www.liz-phair.com/mp3s.htm >> > > thanks for the link (even tho it wasnt directed at me). its a cool site, and > i am downloading "beginning to see the light". why do some of the mp3 links > not work though? i tried downloading "conversation between 2 bouncers" and > some other song (i cant remember) and it would give me a missing page pop up. > i dont know about the others though, because "beginning...." worked. > > ~Mike > a straight white male > ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #128 ************************************