From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #122 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 122 Today's Subjects: ----------------- veruca salt ["christine malnarick" ] reflections on whip smart, no fair! [Valerie Barry ] The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! ["Michael Honaker" ] Re: The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! [Jason Long ] teen pop, etc [Melissa Leigh ] NIN and state of popular music [Danaldj@aol.com] Break Stuff ["Molly Magdalene" ] Re:stuff- aimee and mary t. [Danaldj@aol.com] Cat Power, live/box set ["Robert Hart" ] Re: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... [HOLEPARTS@aol.com] Re: Break Stuff [HOLEPARTS@aol.com] Re: NIN and state of popular music [Sexililgurl@aol.com] Re:stuff- aimee and mary t. [Jason Long ] Re: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... [Jason Long ] Re: The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! [AWeiss4338@aol.c] Re: NIN and state of popular music [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: Break Stuff [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Magic Dirt covering supernova [Jason Pan ] Re: reflections on whip smart, no fair! ["crack head" ] Re: State of "popular" music today [Gerardo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:17:17 CDT From: "christine malnarick" Subject: veruca salt hearing the news of veruca salt being on tour, i went to pollstar, and they are not coming to chicago! boo-hoo. ive already seen them once, a while ago with my now ex boyfriend. im wondering if they will make a stop here? that, or would some fans want to take a road trip? p.s. and people on the list in Chicago and need another employee? lol*im home for the summer and need to find a job! ~Christine ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:25:41 -0400 From: Valerie Barry Subject: reflections on whip smart, no fair! hi all...nothing much to add to recent discussions (but it's been nice to hear from the 'old folks' that have been popping up of late). while driving between atlanta and michigan (and everywhere in between), i listened to a lot of liz...i have come to the conclusion that "whip smart" is entirely too short. i find that when i listen to it, i sort of tune out and get kind of lost in the middle, although i'm usually singing along and then, *BAM*, i hear the opening notes of "may queen" which jolt me back to reality and make me wonder where the rest of it went. then i skip back to listen to my favorites that i missed during my little subconscious reverie. is this just me? give me a break, a lot of time in the car can make a woman a little wacky. also, it seems that lately, most shows that i want to see are coming to town on days i won't be here. very annoying. they finally announced an atlanta date for aimee & michael, at a venue i love, and it's the evening of the day i leave for hawaii (not that i'm complaining, but what's wrong with having *and* eating one's cake?). life's not fair... valerie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:32:35 -0700 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... Replying to the BOXED SET IDEA: First statement: Good idea... but... (yes there's a "but" here...) someone did bring up a good point... what about all the money-hungry bastards on E-Bay? I agree with this point. There are people out there just to get money. And what about these souls that haven't really heard much of Liz Phair's pre-Guyville years? and have no idea about the Digest or where to go about obtaining Girlysound or the WCSE Demos? They'll wind up spending a whole entire weeks paycheck on this... and I don't doubt it will happen... and there will be more than one that winds up buying one for up to 100 bucks. Not particuarly because it was priced that high, but because of getting out-bid by others, and trying to get a copy. Will Capitol even go for it? Doubt it, unless someone has connections somewhere. Who even knows what is going on with Capitol anymore. According to Garth Brooks (don't quote me on this either: this came from a good friend who spoke to a guy at the Country Radio Seminar in 1999 that heard it from Mr. Brooks himself while on a plane.)... anyway... according to him, Garth Brooks told him that Capitol had been bought out by RCA (I think), and that they weren't sure of what musicians they wanted to keep promoting and signing. Meaning, some musicians contracts may be questionable. Who knows if Liz falls into that catagory, but I doubt that she does. They way I interpreted it was that no one knew for sure (According to Garth), if they only bought out the country music side of Capitol or the whole entire company. Has anyone heard of Capitol being bought out? And tying in with that... anyone know about any updates on the new album? Now onto more of the boxed set subject: I'm not shooting down the idea, cause its a good one. But, why do a "best of" theme for all discs? It just seems a bit bland for me. Personally, I have no need for having a set because I have 3/4 of this stuff on cd. (Girlysound / WCSE Demos disc 1 and 2 / LoungeAx / blah blah blah...). So why do a "best of" thing? I can honestly see your point though... There are some songs people like more than others... and there are a lot of Liz Phair fans that enjoy her music, but think half of her albums are just music filler. I made this 2 cd set for a friend of mine... It consisted of anything from studio recordings to girlysound to live stuff (particuarly "Mesmerizing" live...which is very good.). But, I didn't do a separate disc for live and studio. I maybe put a total of 7 tracks that were live, a lot from all three albums, then stuff from Juvenilia and girlysound, then threw in stuff like "erecting a movie star" / "freak of nature" and the like. I entitled it "Supernova" (yes thats a blatant plug for the website: http://www.eurekanet.com/~mhonaker/supernova.html ). But, I didn't title it "Supernova" because the song is my favorite or his favorite or anyone elses... I titled it that because I personally think the name, not the song itself, stands for what I think of Liz Phair. I think she's enigmatic and brilliant, a blatant slap in the face and the queen of rock. So why not try and chose a title that symbolizes something other than just someone's "favorite" song. Couldn't someone use a title that meant something about the whole Liz Phair experience? Shit, for that matter... how about "The Liz Phair Experience"? Naaa, that sounds too much like Hendrix. What I'm trying to say (which is hard at the moment cause I'm tired), is that the title should mean something besides a favorite song title. what about the people who have this and actually not like that song very well? Like say, someone hated hearing "Mesmerizing" live, and you entitled the live disc "Liz Phair: Mesmerizing". They'd not appreciate it. It should be something that encompasses her and her music as a whole, I think. And while I'm talking about this, why not take all the songs and arrange them all together instead of trying to catagorize everything? I wouldn't (and not many would) want to keep switching discs to hear a studio recording right after a live recording. Can anyone back me up on the significance of a good album title? I know there have to be people that know what I'm talking about. Look at Europe's album "The Final Countdown". Personally I think there are two mistakes that makes it a bad record. One, the title track is the first song that you hear when you put it on... which is retarded, I think.... (and yes I would have thought the same if Liz had placed "Whip-Smart" at the beginning of the record.).. and the second mistake is... what in the HELL does "The Final Countdown" have to do with the songs on the rest of the album? Nothing. No wonder they're not around anymore... what did they put out... two albums? so if anyone can back me up or just wants to yell at me, email me and tell me.... i'm not afraid of a good discussion.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:53:22 -0500 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: State of "popular" music today >From: AWeiss4338@aol.com > >However this is the pot >calling the kettle black. Trent and the rest of his whiny macho ilk I wish >very much would go away starting today. They are dragging down rock music >today. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I don't like NIN's music, but I can respect it; there's more there than just male posturing BS. At least Reznor can string together lyrics that actually mean something. >sound a hell of a lot more plesent then Trent whining about how screwed up >his trivial little life is. Or Chris Cornell. You can't lump in Chris Cornell with Trent Reznor. Chris Cornell's writing is much less overt in terms of expressing pain and depression, and Soundgarden would be the last band to be described as whiny. I think the same applies to Cornell's (thusfar short) solo career. On a completely different topic...Veruca Salt. I think that's pretty low for Louise to badmouth Nina, then proceed to play her songs. She doesn't need to do that; she's a great songwriter. I'm listening to "Eight Arms..." as I type this, and every song (which basically alternates between Post & Gordon) is incredible. I'm really excited for both the new Veruca Salt album AND Nina's album. They're both great songwriters, end of story. - --Vasant vr1@cec.wustl.edu http://vasant.tsx.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:49:12 -0700 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! Personally, I happen to be one of those people that agree with Trent Reznor. yes, I'm a Liz Phair fan and a NIN fan. I think he's absolutely right. and honestly... there DOESN'T seem to be ANY bands out there that are worshipped as "teen idols" that DO make original music. Look at who is worshipped... Buttney and the Butt Brothers. (Britney Spears and The Backstreet Boys.) Its horrible. I can't tell you the last time I turned on the radio and actually heard a good song. Every time I do, its Phil Collins or some damn shit from the freaking Lion King soundtrack. It seems all these little trendy teenagers with their bad hair and disgusting supposed "retro" clothes just crave britney spears, backstreet boys, n sync and all the other bullshit artists. Half of these groups don't even write they're own music. they're being dictated by a higher power (and NOT god, obviously!) but alas, i do agree with the other side. Teen Idols are a part of the music industry. Its only a fad and it should fade away soon. But... what teen idols DO make people think? Didn't someone say that Trent wasn't looking hard enough? I'd like to know exactly who in this fucked up industry thats worshipped by teenagers actually makes music thats original AND makes you think at the same time? And don't even say Britney Spears or fucking anyone from the New Fags On The Block era that attempted to have a comeback.... cause they don't. BUT... i respect the fact that people like who they want to like, and not all of us need music that has meaning. Some people are addicted to songs or artists because of lyrics, others because they think they're "cute" or "sooooo hot" or even "better looking than ricky martin" - who is about the ugliest person I've ever seen by the way. oh well. life is life, and teen idols are teen idols... they come, they go and then we won't hear from them for 20 years. you know, the same shit can apply for fashion... its all trendy. Who else has been seeing hiddeously dressed little girls at the mall wearing HUGE freaking bell bottoms with GIGANTIC sunflowers or daisies on them? I just want to hibernate. Time to go to bed. Send me hate mail if you wish. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:24:25 -0700 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Liz cover in movie, Beth sick Oh I got so excited when I was watching this aussie movie called Looking for Alibrandi (really good, much like the book from what I can remember)and I heard Supernova! It was a cover, by Magic Dirt and it was played up till about after and you fuck like a volcano and you're everything to me. It's on the soundtrack too. Hmm probably pissed off a few people by saying rather loudly LIZ! to my friend when I heard it but oh well. Also I read that Beth Orton has to rest for 2 months after recurrence of Crohn's Disease, poor Beth! Seeya Sally "I want to sit and talk and laugh with as the day ends, I want to see your smiling face before the new day begins" Beth, Someone's Daughter *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 03:30:34 -0400 From: Dan Subject: Nina and Louise. >Those are NINA'S SONGS and doubtlessly >VS's biggest/only hits. So, for Lousie and co. to play these songs and then >turn around and badmouth Nina is just so.....so.....help me out >here.......low???? Geez. Let's see you write a hit, Weezie!!! > It is all a matter of opinion, but in all honesty, to say Louise is a bad song-writer is mis-information. She is absolutely incredible in every single way, and perhaps Nina DID write the 2 catchiest, most radio-friendly tunes...i always got the picture that Louise was more of a rocker...and i think Louise herself says that she respects Nina - for what her vision was - - but all the same, she has to respect the name VERUCA SALT - and continue it on in the same vision in which it was originally started...did that make any sense? prolly not. sorry. at any rate - all it takes is one listen of "USED TO KNOW HER"(a new track sans Nina) to know that Veruca Salt is as good as they ever were. After seeing them live - i am convinced that Louise was the PURE DRIVING FORCE behind the band...Nina was wonderful, and I completely admire her...but, she always did write the catchy, mainstream songs didn't she? nothing wrong with that at all - but me, as a VS fan - I always preferred the gritty, edgey ROCKING tunes with Louise at the front of the Mic, belting it out like NO other gal around. (or..um...something like that.) But..Nina was certainly the pop influence on the band...which is never a bad thing...but when it comes down to it - for me - it's all about how has the prettiest guitar screech. Dan. %&%&%&%&%%%%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% "I don't have a case, that's why I have a hammer." -Farrah Fawcett, "Extremities." *******************************^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 03:43:25 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! At 02:49 AM 5/7/2000 -0700, Michael Honaker wrote: >fucking anyone from the New Fags On The Block era that attempted to have a Just for future reference: the use of derogatory references to homosexuality will not be tolerated on this list. Why the hell do people even use gay terminology to insult others anyway? 'Cause you know, being gay is not the same thing as being an asshole.... And you know, it'd be much easier to take you seriously and consider your opinions if you didn't resort to using such references -- as it stands, it just makes me think you need to grow up. Jase NP: Jen Trynin, _Cockamamie_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 03:56:19 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... At 02:32 AM 5/7/2000 -0700, Michael Honaker wrote: >Will Capitol even go for it? Doubt it, unless someone has connections >somewhere. I doubt Capitol would go for it -- major labels aren't known for tolerating fan projects like this, even if no one is profiting from them. Indie labels will usually look the other way, but if anything, Capitol would not only not support this, they would actively try to stop us. The only thing we could do is not seek permission and just hope no one catches wind of it, which seems to be what most lists do when it comes to treeing unreleased and rare material. The second you seek any kind of permission is when you're definitely bound to get shut down. >Who even knows what is going on with Capitol anymore. According >to Garth Brooks (don't quote me on this either: this came from a good friend >who spoke to a guy at the Country Radio Seminar in 1999 that heard it from >Mr. Brooks himself while on a plane.)... anyway... according to him, Garth >Brooks told him that Capitol had been bought out by RCA (I think) Capitol has not been bought out by RCA, but EMI and all of its labels (including Capitol) are merging with AOL Time Warner. >and that >they weren't sure of what musicians they wanted to keep promoting and >signing. Meaning, some musicians contracts may be questionable. Who knows >if Liz falls into that catagory, but I doubt that she does. They way I >interpreted it was that no one knew for sure (According to Garth), if they >only bought out the country music side of Capitol or the whole entire >company. Has anyone heard of Capitol being bought out? And tying in with >that... anyone know about any updates on the new album? No new updates about the new album beyond what I posted not too long ago, but hopefully we will hear more shortly. As for Liz's status at Capitol, as far as I've heard, it looks like no artists will be getting dropped right away as a result of the merger. However, if the next album doesn't do very well, then we might have cause for worry. As for the box set, if we do go ahead with it, let's limit it to material that has not been officially released in any manner (perhaps with the exception of things that have fallen out of print). This would leave out any soundtrack material, but we could use any demos, studio outtakes and live material. The one thing I'm worried about is that this is going to overlap too much with the material from Ken's WCSE Sessions CDs and the Girly Sound bootlegs - -- material that I'm sure almost all of us already have. Including a lot of it may seem awfully redundant. Just some thoughts.... Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 04:29:42 -0400 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: teen pop, etc As said before I believe that this teeny bopper music is just popular because it fills the void between music movements. For example the time between the early 80's new wave/punk and grunge. It's just there for us to make fun of so appreciate it while we have a scapegoat. Please excuse typos, I'm a bit tipsy. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:13:19 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: NIN and state of popular music >> Trent Reznor really hit the nail on the head. It's fucking pathetic what the masses crave....but he was genuinely depressed upon seeing the number of >"mindless, lowest-common-denominator rock bands and teen acts" that rule the >top of the charts.>>> I just want to say that I haven;t followed much of this debate, but my attention was raised because I just saw NIN last night and Trent said on stage, " we haven't been around for awhile and music has taken a big shit since we've been gone". I thought at first that that sounded a bit egoist, but then thought that it was cool that he could see all the bullshit, unoriginal CRAP music we are being spoonfed (and people ARE BUYING!!!) through commercial radio, MTV and the rest. From what I understand of his position, I competely AGREE! Look at KID ROCK, LIMP BIZKIT, BRITNEY, and every boy act of the wk- it's crap- it isn;t inspired, it isn't inspiring. It pisses me off that station's that deem themselves "alternative" play the same, unoriginal stuff all day. PLain and Simple- It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, if they spoonfed us something like Liz, the Pinehurst Kids, Apples in Stereo, JSBX, etc. I bet people would jump on the bandwagon too. These artists would replace the Kid Rocks and Limp Bizkits if they had the chance. There is nothing about them that isn;t as catchy or infectious as the prime marketable act. (Except maybe they don't all look like Models!) that's it. oh yeah- Trent ROCKED!! NIN was totally crazy and awesome! and played LOTS of old favorites. dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 11:19:41 CDT From: "Molly Magdalene" Subject: Break Stuff >Not to mention sexist, homophobic crap like Blink 182 You know there could be something i missed but how is Blink 182 sexist/homophobic? >Or Fred Durst with "bitch this, whore that, fag there, dyke here," in >all >of his songs, I'm not quite sure where you acquired this idea, so if you could enlighten me it would be greatly apprecaiated. I don't remember hearing much(if any)of that on "Significant Other" the 6,082 times i've heard the album. >who makes a video for his band's song Re-Arrannged where your suppose >to >take pity on them for being blamed for insiting the crowd at >Woodstock 99 >to rape, riot, and loot. First of all, "Significant Other" was already writtin and recorded when they did Woodstock 99' and if memory serves it was "Break Stuff" that they were playing when the crowd got out of hand which you know really isn't thier fault. Bands like that get up there and yell and people get out of hand. That's how it is. And i can't fucking believe that you would insist in such a manner that what went on there is Fred Dursts fault. He's not fucking Hitler. Woodstock wasn't a communist day care center. Those people did what they did for whatever fucking reason, not because Fred Durst fucking told them to. It's not like what went on there went on just at the Limp Bizkit set, or just after it, or that everyone who took part in it even listened to them play! >i have to disagree about chris cornell being included in that >category. he >is in no way shape or form like that son of a bitch Trent >Reznor on Fred >Durst. I dunno man, Chris Cornell is pretty whiney. Maybe even more whiney than Trent. And you know, i know Trent is a big sell out and he should quit taking his medication or whatever but what did he do that would qualify him as a "son of a bitch"? I really wanna know, i'm not just trying to be a pain in the ass. Oh, and what is up with the Fred Durst bashing? Did i miss some fucking billboard that says that he actually did something wrong that there is some sort of proof too more than half-witted, feeble minded beliefs? >real, and he doesnt have to knock other artists to prove it Yeah, he's so real that nearly every god damned thing i hear from him sounds the same. I mean i'm not saying i hate him by any means, i infact like some of it, but it does all sound the same. In my humble opinion... >this is exactly what i thought too, and in an article.... You know..you can't believe everything you read. M "I've been like one of those zombies/in vegas/pouring quarters into a slot/and now i'm tired/and i am broke/and i feel stupid and i feel used/and i'm at the end of my little rope/and i am swinging back and forth/about you" ~Ani DiFranco'~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:22:16 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: Re:stuff- aimee and mary t. From: "Morgan Hartsell" << 2) Dammit, I want Aimee Mann's Bachelor No. 2!!!!!!!! It IS in stores now, rite??? I have scoured my tri-state area! No one has heard of it! I have had bad experiences with online ordering, but if it comes to that, so be it. And the same goes for Mary Timony's "Mountains". >> Hey Morgan- The Aimee Mann Album was originally available only through her website, I would be surprised if it actually made it into the stores since she is releasing it herself. You can buy the Album on her website, which I believe is Aimee Mann.com As for Mary Timony, her album is really catchy and fun and similar to Helium, you can get it on Matador's website, i think they use CD online stores like CD now which has all of Helium's albums so I am sure they have Mary's. p.s. if you like Mary check out Solex- she is awesome too and is also on Matador. dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 09:34:11 PDT From: "Robert Hart" Subject: Cat Power, live/box set Well, I am going to take the leap tonight. Will I pay witness to the fragile, frightened Chan, or will this be the night she bursts through her demons and puts on the show her songs deserve? Well, either way I will be there to report the details. I fear I will get the latter, but one never knows about these things, do we? Oh and here is my two cents about this box set thing. Half the fun of being obsessed [or insert own suitable word] with an artist is putting in the leg work to get all the rare releases, all the live albums, whatever the means. I don't own Girlysounds, I just bought Juvenalia, but I think if someone really wants either it is more rewarding to scrape them together, than to get the pre-packaged "Liz phan fack" complete with cellophane neon extravaganza. But that is just my honest opinion.... Rob "what did you learn from your time in the solitary cell of your mind? There was noises distractions from anything good and the old prison food color my life with the chaos of trouble cause anything's better than posh isolation" - -belle and sebastian ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:19:26 EDT From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... In a message dated 5/7/00 3:00:09 AM Central Daylight Time, jase@iaw.on.ca writes: << The one thing I'm worried about is that this is going to overlap too much with the material from Ken's WCSE Sessions CDs and the Girly Sound bootlegs -- material that I'm sure almost all of us already have. Including a lot of it may seem awfully redundant. >> i posted about this a while back but nobody responded back to me. is there any way that somebody here could help me with finding the WCSE Session CDs, The Girly Sounds Bootlegs, and Juvenilia? I really want these, but the only place else i know where to find them is at e-bay, and they are SOO expensive!!! i would really like them in CD form (if someone has a CD burner). Can anyone out there help me? thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:42:06 EDT From: HOLEPARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Stuff In a message dated 5/7/00 11:22:01 AM Central Daylight Time, m_l_magdalene@hotmail.com writes: << i know Trent is a big sell out and he should quit taking his medication or whatever but what did he do that would qualify him as a "son of a bitch"? >> i am just bitter towards him because, as all of you know, he has really been an asshole to my favorite ROCKER courtney love. he just doesnt drop anything. you dont see her writing songs about him or making nasty videos about him. the only thing that she has said that would offend him is that he had a small dick, and after all he has done to her, he deserved that. if you're curious and want to find out what he did to her, just pick up "Courtney Love- The Real Story". there is an entire section devoted to it. i really dont feel like explaining it right now. in my opinion Trent doesnt deserve the light of day, or me even writing about him. too harsh? not for me, and i understand that a lot of you disagree with me, but that is just the way i feel about him. <> i havent heard one thing from chris cornell that has sounded the same. his last album was brilliant- something i cant say for trent reznor. and like ive said before, Chris Cornell doesnt sell records by writing songs about people he hates, like trent does. he writes about real things- real experiences that have shaped his life. deaths, depression, relationships. he actually has something to write about in my opiinion, you know? same with courtney- no matter how much she dislikes trent, she writes REAL music. she doesnt advertise her music or sell her records by making videos and naming/writing songs that bash her enemies. like chris, she too has something to write about. i've just become really sick of all this complaining going on. Sure, some people were real dicks to trent, and sure he suffered, but why make his fans suffer too? i am by no means telling you not to be a NIN fan. i have learned that it is impossible to do that. this is just how i see it, and i completely see it from your point of view too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:54:20 EDT From: Sexililgurl@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN and state of popular music i must say, i find not very much proof in the state ments "trent has sold out". hardly. he really inspiring. .. and unlike those boy bands. .. and almost everyother pop group that has come out in the past like 2 years. he keeps it real. and does what he wants not what some stupid record label wantsfor his "image". remember that unrealsed lil video of someone getting toutured on the couch? if anyone ever saw that. .. you know what i mean. love ya guys ~ Taryn "when i'm really hot, i can walk in a room, and if a man doesn't look at me he's probably gay" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:41:45 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re:stuff- aimee and mary t. dp in nj wrote: >Hey Morgan- The Aimee Mann Album was originally available only through her >website, I would be surprised if it actually made it into the stores since >she is releasing it herself. >You can buy the Album on her website, which I believe is Aimee Mann.com Actually, as I posted here recently, _Bachelor No. 2_ is available in stores now, as of May 2. It's still on Aimee's own label, but she has signed a national distribution deal with an indie distributor to get the album into stores. It is also now available through all of the major online music retailers such as Amazon and cdNow, and you can also still get it through Aimee's own site or at her shows. The album is definitely a must-have; in my opinion, it's the best record to have been released so far this year and I don't see anything else possibly topping it, unless Liz puts out something new within the next seven months. Also, for those who already have the album and love the song "Ghost World," you should all check out the book of the same name by Daniel Clowes that inspired it. It's the best thing I've read in ages, and I can definitely see why Aimee flipped for it the way she did. I don't know exactly why I think this, but to me I get the impression that those who loved My So-Called Life would like this. The one thing is that it's not an actual book per se, but more of a "graphic novel" (the term "comic book" is too insulting for anything as great as this). It's much longer, more story-based and unlike any "comic book" I've ever seen. As the review from the Onion on the back of the book states, "If ever there was a comic book story meant to be examined by non-comic fans, it's this. A classic in any medium." The Stranger wrote, "Not only an amazing comic but an amazing piece of literature," while the Hartford Advocate said, "Clowes spells out the realities of teen angst as powerfully and authentically as Salinger did in Catcher in the Rye for an earlier generation." It may not be easy to find in stores, but definitely do track this down -- it's worth any amount of effort. I believe it can be ordered from Amazon, which would probably be your best bet. Word has it that it's going to be made into a movie soon -- I can't wait.... Cheers, Jase NP: R.E.M., _New Adventures in Hi-Fi_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:45:57 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: responding to the BOXED SET IDEA... HOLEPARTS@aol.com >i posted about this a while back but nobody responded back to me. is there >any way that somebody here could help me with finding the WCSE Session CDs, >The Girly Sounds Bootlegs, and Juvenilia? I really want these, but the only >place else i know where to find them is at e-bay, and they are SOO >expensive!!! i would really like them in CD form (if someone has a CD >burner). Can anyone out there help me? thank you I don't have a CD burner yet (probably within the next month or two), but I'm more than happy to make cassette copies of any Liz rare material or bootlegs for anyone who'd like them as long as they provide the blanks and return postage. Just e-mail me off-list. Also, since there are so many Aimee fans on the list, if any of you are interested in either _Attack of the Killer B-sides_ or _Return of the Killer B-sides_, let me know, as I can make copies of those as well. Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:36:05 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: The state of popular music......? REZNOR is RIGHT! Thanks Jase for saying that, it is so unplesent to read homophobic slurs on this list or any other list. I wish people would refrain from this,nothing makes me madder when a lesbian like I reads this crap. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:40:19 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN and state of popular music I agree about bands like Apples In Stereo becoming the alternitve should Wimp Bizkut should falter. Now that's alternatve rock, not Korn. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:48:08 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Stuff There was a single that Limp Buzkut did with some rappers that was really homophobic. And Nookie is one of those songs where "if you don't put out for me voluntarily I'll get it by force." I kind of agree about Woodstock 99, that crowd was primed and ready for anything, and I suspect things would have turned out the way they did even without LB egging them on. And it wasn't just them, other bands had a part in this too. And then in an NY Times interview Rage Against The Machine defended the crowd, said they were rioting agianst capitism which was good. And since no rapes didn't happen during their set, maybe they didn't happen period. Idiots! Some left wing rock band they are, no left winger worth his or her salt would say this shit nowadays. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:58:54 +1000 From: Jason Pan Subject: Magic Dirt covering supernova Hey guys, I'm just listening to Triple J and I heard a cover of Supernova by Magic Dirt. It will appear on the "Looking for Albrandi" soundtrack. Magic Dirt are a pretty cool Australian band. The cover is pretty much note for note, slightly faster and more aggressive. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:28:22 EDT From: "crack head" Subject: Re: reflections on whip smart, no fair! don't worry... i do this too... i do most of my music-listening in my car and i ALWAYS tune out through the middle tracks of whip-smart. i don't know why that is... glad to know i'm not the only one!!!! erin >From: Valerie Barry >To: support-system@smoe.org >Subject: reflections on whip smart, no fair! >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:25:41 -0400 >while driving between atlanta and michigan (and everywhere in between), i >listened to a lot of liz...i have come to the conclusion that "whip smart" >is entirely too short. i find that when i listen to it, i sort of tune out >and get kind of lost in the middle, although i'm usually singing along and >then, *BAM*, i hear the opening notes of "may queen" which jolt me back to >reality and make me wonder where the rest of it went. then i skip back to >listen to my favorites that i missed during my little subconscious reverie. >is this just me? give me a break, a lot of time in the car can make a woman >a little wacky. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:28:02 EDT From: AllIsFullOfDan@aol.com Subject: Exile question... Hola, I was wondering if anyone has the original "exile in guyville" artwork scanned. I got it after they changed it, and I have the dancing cartoons, not the big blur/ barbie threesome thing one I've heard so much about. Pleeeeeeeeeease help me! :-) np: Huge in Japan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:42:17 +0800 From: homer@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Magic Dirt covering supernova MP3 Hi, yeah saw this movie on the weekend. Was suprised when this song started playing :) I have put the mp3 online if anyone is interested: http://www.geocities.com/nach0man_99/mp3/09-Magic_Dirt-Supernova-OZM.mp3 Stu icq: 2045243 >Hey guys, > > I'm just listening to Triple J and I heard a cover of >Supernova by Magic Dirt. It will appear on the "Looking for >Albrandi" soundtrack. Magic Dirt are a pretty cool Australian >band. The cover is pretty much note for note, slightly faster and >more aggressive. > >Jason > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: RE: Veruca SALT!!! <> Actually, no. Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerardo Subject: Re: State of "popular" music today <> Right on! Euphoria Morning is excelent Gerardo * ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #122 ************************************