From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #97 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, April 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sisters of Mercy and Veruca Salt [Gabriel Peterson ] mercy sisters [mikey c at yehaw ] Bret Easton Ellis books [Dan ] Re: WhipSmart at SheetMusicPlus.com ["Al" ] [none] ["Emma L. Demastrie" ] Re: WhipSmart at SheetMusicPlus.com ["April Haitsuka" Subject: Sisters of Mercy and Veruca Salt Katie, Sisters of Mercy is a GREAT band. They were huge in Europe (especially Eastern Europe) but never hit it very big in the US. I would recommend that you try Floodland if you want something kinda raw whereas Vision Thing is a little smoother (actually, it's kinda the difference between goth versions of Exile and Whipsmart as far as sound goes). So I'd recommend Vision Thing to begin with and it helps if you try to transport yourself to that George Bush/Gulf War time period when you're listening to it. On another non-Liz note, I was reading last week's New Yorker and they were talking about the CEO of Monsanto (that huge company that is lading the way of bioengineered crops, etc) and they say that two of his kids from his first marriage formed a band called Veruca Salt. Maybe this is well known to VS diehards but it definitely suprised me. Take care, Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mikey c at yehaw Subject: mercy sisters > From: Dan > at any rate - I was EXTREMELY annoyed with, surprisingly - the other > fans!! They wouldn't SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Sorry. It was the shooters making me talk. > From: Easter > it. Soo...my question is, is it worth checking out > their music or no? It's always worth checking out a band you're not familiar with. Who knows what the result will be. _Floodland_ kind of grew on me, but I think it was just because 1.) Jim Steinman wrote a few (if not most) of the songs in his very distinctive style, and I'm a closet Steinman fan 2.) Repitition. We've had that disc for many yars now, and MikeyWyf likes to pull it out and blast it when tanked up. > From: "Dana Polachowski" > i'm sure this will start a flame war If no one takes you up on this, let me know. It's been pretty slow at work lately, and I'll have plenty of time. Mikey C Va Beach "Can you imagine a six-year old American kid washing up on a beach in Cuba? He'd be home so fast, he'd be five!" - Dennis Miller, 4/07/00 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:41:52 -0400 From: Dan Subject: Bret Easton Ellis books I am PETRIFIED of how they are going to do "American Psycho" for a film version... the book was soooo awesome - Bret Easton Ellis has been one of my personal favorites ever since his masterpiece novel "Less Than Zero" - and even though the movie version of this book was good ON IT's OWN - it shares little more than Character names as a similiarity to the INCREDIBLE novel. The movie for "American Psycho" is apparently going to be done as more of a satire - which the book was heavy on - but, I think the movie will FOCUS on more of the comedic aspects..which there were many - all the same - - I can see it now... It will be the trendiest thing ever - TONS of people are going to be reading the book, analysing it to death - and in reality the movie will most likely suck in comparrion. As usual...ah well. The Informers and Rules of Attraction by Bret Easton Ellis are even better than American Psycho, so any fans of the book should pick those up too.. APOLOGY SECTION: I'm sorry. I know this isn't the book of the month club...but I just couldn't resist - I was kinda answering the one guy who wondered how the transition from graphic novel to movie would tur out... NO more from me. I'll shut up. LIZ SECTION: Have we heard any word at all yet on how her "soccer-momming" is going? How bout the album? Remeber the quote a few months back about Liz being "All about recording.." Oh well..not complaining, just remembering with tears of nostalgia in my eyes. I guess it's back to "An Evening With...Exile in Guyville" again... laters, Dan. %&%&%&%&%%%%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% "I don't have a case, that's why I have a hammer." -Farrah Fawcett, "Extremities." *******************************^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 00 11:31:56 -0700 From: "Al" Subject: Re: WhipSmart at SheetMusicPlus.com I accidentally came across this for sale: Whip Smart Guitar Recorded Versions. Note-for-note transcriptions with notes and tab. 9x12 inches. 64 pages. Published by Hal Leonard. (690053) Is this a good thing or what? I don't know much about this site and what it offers and whether this is a cool thing or not. Anyway, anyone interested in checking it out you can go here: http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=HL.690053&cart=4051 7173752&searchtitle=Sheet%20Music Later Al :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Emma L. Demastrie" Subject: [none] Dana, You misunderstood me. I appreciate your comments, and thank you for reminding me that this is indeed a fictional film. I too have been keeping track of the press regarding Brandon Teena's mother and Lana Tisdel and their outcries of the movie's inaccuracy. I was not critiquing Brandon Teena the person, I was critiquing Brandon Teena the character in the movie. I have no other reference point to analyze him other than this. And I greatly appreciate the fact that I am able to know him, the character, through this movie. Whether it factually captures the complexities of Brandon's childhood or not, the movie is still extremely important because it has created a dialogue within America regarding social and gender expectations and the difficulty of trying to live outside of them. I realize it is easy to make Brandon Teena a poster child for hate crimes laws advocates, and his particular situation was much more complex than just being raped and killed for dressing like a boy. But the fact remains that, irregardless of why Teena Brandon became Brandon Teena, he was still an innocent person raped and murdered because of homophobia and sexism. You know, it is very difficult to even begin finding an angle for a subject matter such as this, that is like you said so complex, involves so many variables, and so many emotions. When all is said and done, however, Brandon Teena died because he lived his life in a way that other people didn't like, that other people didn't understand or want to understand. That is a hate crime. I commend filmmaker Kimberley Peirce's vision for the film, and I value her commitment to making a film that dares to tackle a larger issue that has provoked national dialogue. This is why films should be made. This is why they are so important. If Peirce wanted to stay completely truthful to Brandon Teena's life, she would have made a documentary. Instead, she chose to tell a story. And we should feel lucky that she had the guts to tell it. Nobody else did. Art only imitates life. I'm aware of that. I also am aware that others may see the film as fact, which is unfortunate and even heart-breaking for Teena's family and friends. I can't help but feeling, however, that these people are still ashamed of him. I'm sure they've received hate mail and harrassment from their communities since the release of the film, but rather than stand up and defend Brandon, they attack the film. There's something wrong here. Not only did they miss the film's message, but they also missed an opportunity to celebrate a person they supposedly loved. I'm sorry, but I see their attacks as a way to save their own reputations. "Boys Don't Cry" does not mislead people about the complexity of Brandon Teena any more than "Saving Private Ryan" misleads people about the complexities of WWII. How simple can a person's life be when he has to wrap his breasts in an ace bandage before putting on his shirt? And the film does not back away from exploring Brandon's psychology. It tackles it head-on. Brandon himself, in the film, that is, believes he has a sexual-identity crisis and even states at one point that he has female external organs and male internal organs, which served as part of his rationale for living as a man. This is some serious shit, and I believe Brandon Teena to be the most complex character put on the screen in a long time, perhaps since the character of Ada in "The Piano." Look, I'm a movie buff. I'm not an historian. I watch movies and I see characters, I see situations. I don't necessarily see unfiltered truth. A good film does not tell the truth, it ILLUMINATES truth, and for that alone I'm thankful. - -Emma ***************************************************************************** "Knowledge is power/you got your books, go read 'em/Wisdom is ignorance, stupidity...I call it freedom." -Paul Westerberg Emma Demastrie President Phi Sigma Pi National Honor Fraternity Beta Mu Chapter edemast@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:27:03 -0700 From: "April Haitsuka" Subject: Re: WhipSmart at SheetMusicPlus.com >Whip Smart Guitar Recorded Versions. Note-for-note transcriptions with >notes and tab. 9x12 inches. 64 pages. Published by Hal Leonard. (690053) This is the book with the infamous misheard lyric on "Supernova." Not too sure about the quality of the guitar transcriptions for every song, but there are a lot of good ones on the old Guyville mailing list archive and Ray Lew's Beginning to See the Light. April ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:31:31 EDT From: Finguistrange@aol.com Subject: Re: Sisters of Mercy Katie, I like them alot and would reccomend them to anybody into gothic music. Of course, I know somebody who we never thought would have like them and she came in one day with their "first, Last and Always" cd. They're worth getting into in my opinion. -Dani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:42:53 EDT From: KiTkAtE907@aol.com Subject: juliana hatfield just incase there are juliana fans on the list... I saw her last night @ Fez, and she was amazing. She played all new stuff, which was great and really refreshing. She's coming out with two albums really soon, and they shoud be wonderful, because last night certainly was! Be excited... ~kate ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #97 ***********************************