From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #72 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, March 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ick [AWeiss4338@aol.com] ... [MrE ] all lit up again [robert joyner ] [none] ["Allison" ] me bad ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] attack [Craig King ] girlysounds requests ["Morrise, Jason" ] Liz's favorite movie scene [Steve Rhodes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:10:34 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: ick Cool, another WHTG' fan. Listening to it right now, Smashing Pumkins are on, Stand Inside your Love. Okay it isn't earthshaking that song, but some of cooler non hit ones, Angie Opario (sp?) Spaceship, good pop, Peter Serisy (SP again) used to be in the band Squirrel Bait, Losing Light Fast is great. Liz content, they do a feature on 90's music everyday, Supernova made the list a few days ago. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:01:33 -0800 From: MrE Subject: ... >sandra by the way...i did not mean to infer that there was not some viability to the 'bystanders' experience with regards to abuse/addiction...i did perhaps mean to attack an opinion that was in my estimation arrogant. neither did i in any way, shape or form seek to condon, glorify or otherwise intimate that the world of the addict was an exclusive planet...i simply meant to respond to an arrogant post that was in fact an attack upon another individual that had expressed his opinion on the subject of scott weiland's addiction...sorta. it may have been cruel, but i do hope it was affective. i'm not particularly proud of my past...i'm not particularly proud of the corpses that have littered it, but i am not goning to allow someone 'second-hand' affected to invalidate it. it is, for better or worse, my history. i cannot claim to know the seriousness of the problem amongst ss listers...but i can say that about two dozen thank you's came my way...and i do not think you should be apologizing on the bahalf of someone else either. if craig has a rebuttel, i'm all ears...or keyboard as the case may be. with regards to your response, i am sorry you had to live the life of a junkie's sidekick...i have had a few sidekicks myself and i know their days and nights with me were not pleasant in the least. being a sidekick is almost the same as being an addict...almost. but never confuse the reality, because never the twain shall meet. it's like the difference between a flight controller and a pilot...the controller is full of great ideas about what the pilol can and cannot do...but he cannot actually be a part of the pilot's experience. not that i want anyone to do some flying, but don't tell me what it's like if you haven't flown. >what kind of world is a pretend world? ...all talk...no walk. by the way...did ya know my sister? and you probably won't. so listen up kids: the world of the fucked-up is a fucked up world. MrE - -- "Vote early and vote often." - Al Capone (1899-1947) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: robert joyner Subject: all lit up again From: MrE Subject: ... >>>and this from an addict of more years than you have graced the darkened door of this planet, although quite clean at the moment. >>>you are an insult to any and all that have suffered the indignities of addiction. poor little Mr. E. let me break out my crying towel for you. Any wounds that addicts that incur are self inflicted and I don't have too much sympathy for them. ...i hate to be the one to break this to ya...but ya don't know dick... that's funny. seems craig knew enough not to be a junkie for years on end in the first place. Sounds like your your story would make a great psa, Mr Dodge. later Robert ===== I'm Only Happy When It's Rains http://www.geocities.com/janetrains2000/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:37:28 -0600 From: "Allison" Subject: [none] MrE wrote: >you are an insult to any and all that have suffered the indignities of addiction Correct me if I'm wrong, MrE (and I'm sure you will in any case), but don't they teach you in AA that when you point a finger at others, the finger is actually pointing right back at you? You seem to do a great deal of finger pointing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:58:00 PST From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: me bad fellow listers... i am having big puter problems....hd crash...so thats why i haven't been around too much (actually at all)... so a quick hi to all (esp katie and val) will be back online soon! DarkSide oftheMoon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: attack Thank you Sandra for your support. I appreciate it. I tried to let this subject drop, but some inconsiderate asshole that thinks he knows everything about me, my life, and the people I've been around had to personally attack me. >>until then, you are an insult to any and all that have suffered the indignities of addiction.<< This is about the most cruel thing you could ever say to me. You don't know shit about me, or what I've experienced, or the people that I've been around. To say I don't know anything about addiction is bullshit. My grandfather died from it, my friend died from it and another is trying to cope with it, and 2 of my uncles are battling it as well. My family has a long history of addiction problems. So don't tell me what I know and what I don't know. Just because I personally have not succumb to the powers of addiction doesn't mean I am ignorant to it. Like Sandra said addiction affects the addict as well as the people around them. I'm not going to sit here and trade insults. That's not me. This issue ends here. I apologize to the list for the continuation of this thread. Craig "All the tangerines They taste like jelly beans This must be boring by now Grab a scale and guess the weight of all the pain I've given with my name I'm a selfish piece of shit" - Scott Weiland: Barbarella NP: Tom Petty - Wildflowers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:24:13 -0600 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: girlysounds requests wow, there have been an awful lot of people asking about girlysounds (3 in the last digest). since someone was kind enough to help me out in getting a copy, I feel it only right that I should continue to pass that favor on to other liz fans. therefore, here is my offer: I am willing to make 5 copies of girlysounds on cd-r. it might take a couple of weeks to get them out, but they'll get there. what I ask for in return is something cool, it doesn't have to be liz. I like a lot of bands. does anyone have any letters to cleo stuff? dwight yoakam? sarah mclachlan? I'd like to check out greg brown (got a live cd?). I know there is an old comp with matchbox20 before they were matchbox20. I would love to get my hands on that liz concert poster that I have seen on e-bay or the 7" of juvenilia or carnivore. maybe even liz's freshman year high school yearbook (j/k). I guess what I'm hoping is that someone will get creative and surprise me. but if you don't have anything to trade, I think $8 should cover two discs, a double case, and postage. please send e-mail to morrise@net66.com. and once again, I am offering up that copy of juvenilia I found in st. louis. no one bit last time. jake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Rhodes Subject: Liz's favorite movie scene The new issue of the Nation (cover date 4-3-00) focuses on independent film. There is an article where a number of people mention their fav scene in a film http://www.thenation.com/issue/000403/0403dargis.shtml LIZ PHAIR, musician. One of the truest relationships is between Margo Channing and her boyfriend in All About Eve. They are totally in love but you don't necessarily know that in the beginning. You're not given assurances, until that moment that I love--being a kind of fiery woman in a relationship myself--when he's got Margo on the bed after she's come into the audition. Eve has performed brilliantly and your heart is sinking and Margo is pretending like she doesn't know and is smoking her cigarettes and he grabs her and throws her on the bed and he's shaking her and saying, "I love you! Don't you get it? I'm in love with you." He's telling her, to her face, who she is. It doesn't matter how heinously she behaves, he is in love with her. Her. It can't be Eve, it can't be the next person just like Margo or better or younger, it's her. So often there's a sort of mathematical way that Hollywood does things. You can always tell who's going to get together and who's not. This is a movie about a woman who is behaving monstrously and a man who is being an ignoramus, but they love each other and nothing in the plot can damage that. You don't have to be a good girl to be loved, you don't have to behave the way Hollywood formulas want you to behave. I find that inspiring. A bunch of other interesting articles from the issue are currently linked from http://www.thenation.com/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #72 ***********************************