From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #69 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 03 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: screw you guys, i love albini [Vasant Ramamurthy ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #68 [Craig King ] sorta new person ["Wendy Bryant" ] Non-Liz (unforunately) Spring releases ["Morgan Hartsell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:01:25 -0600 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: screw you guys, i love albini >lost in all of this is that steve albini the recording artist was an amazing >talent. for those of you who weren't even freakin born then, big black was >one of the most original and creative bands of the punk-industrial 80's. >steve albini, who did all the writing and arrangements for that band, is one >of the few artists who ever did as much for me as liz phair. the albums, >"atomizer," and "songs about fucking" were really ahead of their time. >really dark and sinister, but still first-rate. > >this whole little firestorm is funny to me, because before big black, albini >was a music writer doing reviews and such. of course, being an arrogant >dick (note that i never said he wasn't)he panned practically everything. >so people got all pissed off, and called him names, and said he could never >do it himself, etc., etc. then he started his band, and it turned out he >could do it. that everyone shut up for awhile, but the band ran it's course >(as liz phair will surely do someday, if she already hasn't- sometimes i >wonder) and after trying one last time with the less interesting band >"rapeman" albini hung it up and started producing. now here we go again. i >just wish the criticism would get so intense that he would start recording >again. good point. but what do you think about shellac? to me, they're just as good as big black was. though i doubt they'll be as influential as they were, simply because there're a million other bands in Chicago doing that whole math rock/angular punk thing, though nowhere near as good as shellac. here's my take on albini: i think his personal music output is awesome. but besides that, he is a very difficult person to understand. he's engineered everyone from chicago ska bands to page & plant to guided by voices. and i'm guessing that he dislikes the music he works on more often than he likes it. but i don't think he should have to. because, he's being paid to engineer a record, not to write the songs for the record. vasant - ----- This Ain't No Picnic: the very best in indie rock/pop & other classics Sundays, 2 to 4 pm. (Central) Live in RealAudio at http://kwur.wustl.edu Playlists at http://vasant.tsx.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #68 >>You obviously never heard last year's debut by Ashley Hamilton's band. Weiland figured prominently on that disc (according to liner notes and press releases), and it was a mess. But that's no reason to hate the man. He just got out of rehab (along with everyone else on the disc, apparently), and his judgement was clouded. A guy like him has a hard time performing while straight.<< His judgement was clouded? He has a hard time performing while straight? Oh I get it, you obviously know the man and know how he feels right? I'm not going to prolong this issue. I am simply going to say this. I know all too well the powers of addiction. Not me personally. However, I have lost or come close to losing many a family member to the powers of addiction. So don't go telling me you know how an addict feels or what is going through their head. It's easy to pass judgement when when your on the outside looking in. Hey Jase, you posted that the new Juliana Hatfield double disk comes out on April 25. Well, according to the Rounder record label site it doesn't come out until May 16. You can pre-order it here: http://www.rounder.com Craig NP: Juliana Hatfield - "Bed" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:32:43 -0600 From: "Wendy Bryant" Subject: sorta new person hey! my name is wendylou and ive gotten the digest a long time ago. (when it was (6'1) a move and other stuff is what disontinued me from the digest the first time....anyone out there live in eastern iowa? anyway, i wanted to express my disguist directed at the person that would sale the yearbooks for $500. i like liz and all, but..... ani fans bitch and moan all the time about the bootlegs that folks sale on ebay. that ani crowd is too cult like and fanatical.... i also wanted to give a thumbs up for mentioning the new juliana hatfield coming out in april and. add that a new blacke babies cd will be out sometimes this year too. thats juliana's old band for those who didn't know. i was also curious about the latest liz news? new cd? looking for a producer is what i seem to have picked up on! ok, take care folks. blessed be. wendylou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:17:32 EST From: "Morgan Hartsell" Subject: Non-Liz (unforunately) Spring releases Yeah, there are a *lot* of kick-ass albums coming out this spring........................but not Liz, of course, because we would already have been hearing about it for a while now. Is Summer out of the question?????? Anyway, I am really looking forward to the new Veruca Salt album, as well as the new Tracey Bonham. Does anyone have *any* details about this album????? Also, I have heard conflicting release dates for Juliana Hatfield's album(s). When is it exactly??? Tanx!!!!!! Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:51:18 -0800 From: drpeak@juno.com Subject: Against Scott Weiland? Re: "What the hell do you possibly have against Scott Weiland?" Okay, I didn't mean to get something started on a Liz Phair list, so I won't. Let's just simply leave it at the fact that I DON'T LIKE SCOTT WEILAND!!!!! If you like him, fine. Your reasons for liking him are valid opinions, just as the person who likes Albini has their opinion on him. Fine. If you insist, I'll tell you why I don't like him, but not in this forum. And Liz? She rocks. D.R.Peak http://redrival.com/justroy/notflies ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:10:00 PST From: "Katie Brown" Subject: hi zzzzwwwoooohoooo! happy march 14th lounge axers! i celebrated by a) listening to the Lounge Ax disc, b) looking at pictures from the Lounge Ax and c) reading support-system digest vol. 2, number 076... *just* to make sure it really happened. it happened. it was real. i'm ok, really. (but jorge you still need to move to boston and marry me... forget about the dallas in october thing, i forgive you... <(:D ) so i have this crush on someone and my cat attacked him tonight, i'm horrified and amused. i gave him the lounge ax disc to copy for you lani :) p.s. uncle sammy at wetlands april 8! woohoo! i wanna comment on this scott weiland thing... my friend from college, Lotus, works for this managment company in L.A. and they were managing S.W. for a while last year and he used to call all wasted and demand money and limos and drugs. Lotus had a really funny story about trying to figure out where he was one time when he called... apparantly he was like "Lotus! you f'ing bitch! get me a limo i crashed my car! i need a limo now!" and she was like "where are you?" and all he could do was describe the highway "there's lanes, i'm next to a cliff, there's lanes of the highway... hurry up! i need cash and a limo now you bitch!" yeah well it's funny when she tells it. sigh, sorry i'm boring tonight. go to www.smoe.org and read supsys vol. 2 # 076 ! it's a trip. my parents sold their house today. that is all. night. katie brown ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #69 ***********************************