From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #63 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, March 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Liz in NY [Kenneth Lee ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #62 [Nick Nelson ] it's all good [Meow Grrl ] Songwriters & Lyricists. ["Shelly" ] one last response on variety ["Morrise, Jason" ] threads [Craig King ] Re: threads [JMichaelRecords@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V3 #62 [KT072180@aol.com] Reply to Jorge [Craig King ] [none] ["John B" ] Re: Reply to Craig via Jorge [Miz Phair ] Early Bird ["John B" ] Re: top 10 [Headache79@aol.com] Cover of Girls' Room? ["Emma L. Demastrie" ] Lists, baby!! ["Emma L. Demastrie" ] Chantal Kreviazuk and stuff... [Liz Gould ] top ten liz songs [Sarah Scott ] Re: Chantal Kreviazuk and stuff... [AWeiss4338@aol.com] London's Burning ["Joseph H. Weber" ] My Top Ten [Easter ] daily Mesmerizing update [Kenneth Lee ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:51:18 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Re: Liz in NY The question was asked: >If anyone would know.... > >When / why/how long did Liz live in New York for? I know she lived out west, >but I just recently realized that she mentions "when I lived in New York..." >in one of her interviews. I didn't realize she lived in NY..ever. Does >anyone know about this? Here lies the answer. This is taken from the "New York Times Magazine", October 2, 1994: - ---------- Phair worked in New York as an intern for the politcally focused artists Nancy Spero and Leon Golub. After graduating from Oberlin, she moved to San Francisco with some classmates. "It ended in total disillusionment," Phair says. "None of us followed through on any of our plans. Nobody came charging through our door saying, 'Oh, you little pocket of creativity, come work for me!'" Phair bounced to Boston and then back to Chicago; for a time, she supported herself by making charcoal drawings. "I was hellbent not to get a job, and I wanted to make my art work -- frankly, because everyone told me I couldn't do it. It nearly killed me. I lived without gas, I ate at friends' houses, I kept trying to pretend I had money. It was romantic for 25 seconds a day, but that sustained me." - ---------- I'm not certain of exact dates, but Liz lived in New York in the latter part of the 1980s. I hope that answers your question! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Nelson Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #62 >2) I have a few questions for anyone/fellow Lounge Axers at the Liz show >a year ago. Do you remeber the talented opening singer, Sally Timms. I >know she was with the Mekons. Is that band still around? Anyway, I >picked up a 1999 CD called Sally's Twilight Laments For Lost Buckaroos. I think I just read that both she and the Mekons have new disks out. The Mekons one is supposed to be their best in years, but hers is not as good as her previous ones (so says someone on alt.music.alternative). I have that Buckaroo disk and a lot of Mekons (their album Rock and Roll is one of my all-time faves). I will probably buy the new Mekons, based on this guy's comments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Meow Grrl Subject: it's all good scroll scroll scroll ... my-taste-your-taste ... it's-all-good ...didn't-mean-it-that-way ... scroll scroll scroll ... defending-myself .... responding-to-everyone's-music-taste-opinion ... music-is-good-even-if-it's-pop ... scroll scroll scroll ... gets to Valerie's comment about Michael Bolton bootlegs. ... remembers that she placed an internet personal (that one time, really = ]) once, and put in her list of requirements (cause she listed them as such -- she can be a feisty bitch that way): "Do not respond to this personal if you like Jimmy Buffet." laughs to herself. realizes she better not post and prolong this thing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:54:41 -0800 From: "Shelly" Subject: Songwriters & Lyricists. "From: Easter Subject: Lyricist vs. songwriter (me confused)" Katie wrote in response to Craig's post about songwriters/lyricists... "This could make an interesting discussion, I dunno which way it could go when I'm still scratching my head. I've thought of myself as a songwriter once, but have never written music before in my life, so I guess I qualify as a lyricist, but that doesn't sound too good - to me at least. So fire away with your ideas/opinions/ramblings/etc." Hmmm, I like this topic. I agree, Craig, there is a difference, albeit I never really thought to look it up in the dictionary (smart girl, you Katie!). But, when it comes to lyricists, I tend to dig more along the lines of Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Springsteen, maybe even Emmylou Harris--I think maybe it comes down to the simple fact that what I am enjoying MOST about the song is the lyrics, moreso than the actual entire arrangement. But then when it comes to songwriters, I'd probably go more with, something similar to Craig's choices--Tom Petty, Liz Phair, PJ Harvey, Sleater-Kinney... If I can take the words away from the song & lay them out like a poem--or a story perhaps--then I would consider them lyrically strong. I don't know if that helps--I'm not a musician by any means other than piano, bass guitar & sax growing up & I read music. But, not because I'm particularly talented, just because I like it (and the piano--Mom made me). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:16:25 -0600 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: one last response on variety >And I will admit, I felt that the part about not having a broad taste in >music was at least somewhat aimed at me, because I do tend to discuss only a >handful of artists who are all mostly of a certain type. I just wanted to >feel like I could like what I want to without being criticized for not >having enough variety. I know this is only one thing you said, but I just wanted to respond to it especially. if you only like two artists, who cares? there have been times when all I have listened to is eig for a week straight, because I didn't feel in the mood for anything else. but I like to have a variety so that I always have something to fit my mood, even if it is some stupid bubblegum blowhard. I guess maybe I get too sensitive sometimes, because really, I would expect some good-natured ribbing for actually owning the birtney spears album. and secretly I want to go find an old debbie gibson album. what can I say, it takes me back, way back. maybe it gets old when there are 10 posts about aimee mann and none about any other non-liz artist, but if I have had enough, I skip them. no biggie. and there have been several artists I have discovered by being on this list: lucinda williams, old 97's, aimee mann, kelly willis, beth orton to name a few. I always try to share when I find someone new I really like, but a lot of the time, it feels like it falls on deaf ears. maybe not. to get on an entirely new subject, it occurred to me the other day concerning liz's post a few months ago that luke wood (the e-mail account she sent from) could very well be related to brad wood. the address was dreamworks' music division. did this ever get mentioned? I don't think it did. anyway, I sent a polite e-mail to the address (I know she said not to, but hey) inquiring if he knew anything about liz's album/tour plans or if he could pass my address on to someone who might be in the know. no response, and that was well over a month ago. oh, well, a shot in the dark. can't say I blame the guy for ignoring unsolicited e-mails. anyway, no hard feelings. but I would agree that commercial radio today sucks. jake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: threads >>What with all the talk concerning Liz looking for a producer, I would like ta hear who ya'll think would be good for Liz.<< As much as I love Brad Wood, I think Liz is past that phase of her life. Ultimately, I would love to see Liz produce the album herself. However if she has to have a producer, my vote goes to either Rick Ruben or Brendan O'Brien. I think Rick Ruben would be great because he's produces such a wide variety of music. Plus, he produced what I consider one of the greatest albums ever made, Tom Petty's "Wildflowers" album. I hold "Wildflowers" on the same level as EIG in respect to both of their simplicities. Both are brilliant albums. Brendan O'Brien is the producer of my favorite band in the entire world, Stone Temple Pilots, and has also produced a man who, like Jorge said, is very similar to Liz, Neil Young. >>Sooo..help me Rhonda, I've always stumbled as to what's the difference between the two, then felt like a retard when I actually looked up the words in the dictionary. =\ << To me at least, their is a big diffference. A songwriter is someone who writes the words and music for a song. A lyricist is someone who only writes the words and does not compose any of the music. Going back to my examples, Jim Morrison was the lyricist and frontman for the Doors. He wrote all of the words and never wrote a lick of music. Therefore he was a lyricist. Liz writes both the words and music of her songs, therefore she is a songwriter. At least that's my opinion. This changes all of the time, but: Top 10 Liz songs: 1. Stratford-On-Guy 2. Blood Keeper 3. Glory 4. Russian Girl 5. Hello Sailor 6. Polyester Bride (still the best guitar riff she's ever written, IMO) 7. Don't Apologize 8. White Bird of Texas 9. Dogs of L.A. 10. California Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:04:09 EST From: JMichaelRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: threads Craig, I can't agree more on that top ten list. Wow! I've never seen anything so right on before. On the topic of Producers, however, we disagree. I love both Brendan and Rick, but I don't see either one working with Liz on this one. From the songs that I've heard off of the upcoming "An Evening With..." I would have to suggest Mike Dineen in Boston, Bob Rock, or Steve Albini. There is also another, lesser known producer in Boston by the name of John Caruso. If anyone is familiar with Alison Pipitone, he is the guy that co-produced her "Life In The First Person" record. On a related subject, I remember chat I had with Dale Anderson (the executive producer for that record) and he mentioned that Alison is a big Liz fan. Perhaps she's on this list. One never knows. But I digress. Check her out if you can. Jake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:38:33 EST From: KT072180@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #62 Top 10 Liz songs: 1. Go Speed Racer 2. In Love With Yourself 3. If I Ever Pay You Back 4. Divorce Song 5. Nashville 6. Beginning To See The Light 7. I Know It's Not That Easy 8. 6'1'' 9. Polyester Bride 10. Jealousy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Reply to Jorge >>And she and Liz both had glitter eye shadow that was very sexy. I think all girls should go glitter. I most definately agree here! :) >>I think we should give a prize to the person who comes up with the best Lizphest fantasy involving meeting Liz. I think mine would be hanging out with her at a small club as she works out the kinks for her new songs. And then we all get pizza. Does anyone have a meeting-Liz fantasy that you can...uh....print ??<< My ultimate Liz fantasy is to jam with her on guitar. To even be on the same stage as Liz, playing guitar with her, would be such an honor. (did I mention how much of a lucky stiff Buddy Judge is?) So even though Liz won't be at Liz Phest, my dream would be to to just sit down with her wherever and jam together on guitar on whatever she felt like playing. One can only dream...... Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:26:21 EST From: "John B" Subject: [none] >is just an informal >gathering to honor Liz so-to-speak. It's a chance for >us Liz phans to hang out for a weekend. That's all. Okay thanks Craig. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: Re: Reply to Craig via Jorge - --- Craig King wrote: > My ultimate Liz fantasy is to jam with her on > guitar. > To even be on the same stage as Liz, playing guitar > with her, would be such an honor. (did I mention > how > much of a lucky stiff Buddy Judge is?) Now this is funny. When I met Buddy at the Aimee/Michael show last month I said, "I think you're the luckiest person in the world to get to play with my two favorite musicians." He wrote on my set list "Just call me Lucky." So I guess he knows... BTW, what were the LizPhest date/dates again? Didn't think I could come at first, but now, I might. If it's not in and around June 12 (damn jury duty - that I already got out of once.) paige- ===== "Seems like the small things are the only things I'll fight." Liz Phair, "Gunshy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:40:58 EST From: "John B" Subject: Early Bird "I've often wondered how someone could put a critique of music into words. And I've often wondered why there was no musical commentary on writing." - - Dr. Peter Kreeft, author "The early bird gets the worm. But the second mouse gets the cheese." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:50:41 EST From: Headache79@aol.com Subject: Re: top 10 hey all, okay, here's my liz top ten from 10 to 1: 10. Freak of Nature 09. Strange Loop? 08. May Queen 07. Polyester Bride 06. Blood Keeper 05. Don't Have Time 04. Perfect World 03. Fuck and Run 02. Flower 01. Supernova Granted those are kind of common liz faves, but those are the 10 i would put on a "Greatest Hits" of Liz Phair Cd. In Liz related dreams... I had a dream last night about the new cd... i can't remember much cause it's several hours later, but it had a white and gold cover with lettering like Guyville. There was a song called Boy's Room Suite plus the ones that we know about. And, the release date was June 29th, 2000. It wasn't much of a Liz dream, but it was a nice feeling having that cd in my hand in the dream. later, paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Emma L. Demastrie" Subject: Cover of Girls' Room? Hi, guys. The other night I was at this coffee bar in Adams Morgan in D.C. called Tryst and when I walked in "Girls' Room" was playing--but it was not Liz singing!! It was actually a guy singing it!! Does anyone know about anyone covering "Girls' Room"? I didn't recognize the guy's voice, but it sounded awesome. -Emma:) *************************************************************************** "I may not be very smart, but I connect you with your shadow." -John Frusciante Emma Demastrie edemast@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Emma L. Demastrie" Subject: Lists, baby!! These surveys/lists are great!! For the first one: (1) The Liz album you'd play to convert someone? It would have to be EIG because you can't like Liz and not like this album. EIG is Liz at her rawest and most powerful, in my opinion, so why not start here? I did, and I'm grateful for it. (2) Does your answer change if that person is your mom? Yes, I must admit, my answer does change if it is my mom. I would probably play WCSE for my mom first, and slowly introduce Whipsmart and EIG to her. (3) What Liz song should be on your answering machine? I would put the intro to "Explain It To Me" on my answering machine, because the guitar in that song is amazing. (4) What Liz song would you ask for if allowed to pick? "Stratford-on-Guy" (5) What one Liz song do you not need to hear again? "Big Tall Man" (6) Who's your favorite movie actor of all time? Of all time, Robert Duvall. In the past ten years, Kevin Spacey. (7) Who's your fave movie actress of all time? Of all time, Vanessa Redgrave. In the past ten years, Catherine Keener. PLEASE rent "Walking and Talking" if you haven't seen it!! (8) Who's your fave songwriter? Liz Phair and Paul Westerberg (9) Fave musician? John Frusciante and Ben Folds (I'm new school, sorry. There are just too many "legends" to pick from) (10) Favorite singer? It's too hard to pick just one. Um, let's see...The passion in Paul Westerberg's voice melts me, the pain in Billy Holliday's voice mesmerizes me....Okay, Liz Phair!! With singing, especially rock singing, it's all about delivery, and Liz is so deadpan it's brilliant!! Now for my top ten Liz songs of the week: (1) Stratford-on-Guy (2) Shatter (3) Support System (4) Mesmerizing (5) Shane (6) Dogs of LA (7) Headache (8) Fantasize (9) Help Me Mary (10) Go West - -Emma *************************************************************************** "I may not be very smart, but I connect you with your shadow." -John Frusciante Emma Demastrie edemast@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Liz Gould Subject: Chantal Kreviazuk and stuff... In the last digest I saw someone was listening to Chantal Kreviazuk "Colour Moving and Still".... What do you think of her music? I've seen a video of hers on MuchMusic and thought it was pretty good... What's the album like what sort of feel does it have? Jase: In your long post you talked about Tracy Bonham not having Liz's style or something... Well I got a question for everyone how would you characterize Liz's style? Honest, direct, what? Liz NP: Joni Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Scott Subject: top ten liz songs I can only give my most current list of favorites, I find myself continually finding new favorites, and rediscovering old ones...and since I just got a bunch of new bootlegs, my choices will reflect that... 1. Mesmerizing--just can't seem to get over that one 2. Divorce song-this is the song I play to convert people to liz...has worked 3. bloodkeeper 4. conversation overheard...who else could put the word "drinky-pooh" into a song and have it come across so well?? 5. Nashville 6. Supernova 7. May Queen 8. Johnny Sunshine 9. crater lake-why can't that song be longer??? 10. shatter on WCSE sessions, I couldn't believe it was Liz singing on "happy." someone tell me it's not really Janet Rains. Liz just doesn't always use her full range too often... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:01:53 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Chantal Kreviazuk and stuff... Chantal? Color Moving and Still reminds me a lot of Fionia Apple, but without the neuroses of Fionia. I manged to get a copy of the Candian version of the album, very nice stuff. Just released here, and starting to get airply. Has anyone heard her cover of Leaving On A Jet Plane, cool cover. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:55:49 -0600 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: London's Burning Of interest, the Clash rereleased their catalog. All cd's are digitally remastered, the cd art is redone. London Calling and Sandinista both come with the original lyric sheets. Although I had every original cd, I repurchased them and they do sound better. Just thought I would let all those Clash fans out there know. Later. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Easter Subject: My Top Ten All righty, my top ten: 1. Beginning to See the Light 2. Canary 3. Firewalker 4. Blood Keeper 5. Perfect World 6. Mesmerizing 7. Alice Springs 8. Carnivore (raw) 9. What Makes You Happy 10. Flower As for the producer thread, Liz would be cool as a producer. She produced parts of WCSE right? I've thought of Sheryl Crow, but I know that's pretty far fetched, since Crow is producing Stevie Nicks' album I heard. Katie ();) NP: Chantal Kreviazuk "Colour Moving and Still" - I highly recommend this album when it releases in the US! I love "Souls." ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "You've got a lucky face." - John Lennon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:04:46 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: daily Mesmerizing update Hey folks, It's me again, shameless plugging my daily updates to my Liz site. Today, I've added the articles from In The Mix, December 1998 and The Washington Post, sometime in 1995. I've also added a scan of the pic from The Washington Post article. The former article is courtesy of the Venus Salt Trap webmistress and the latter is courtesy of Paige. Thank you both! Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #63 ***********************************