From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #57 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- do you really care??? [jake ] random musings by reese ["reesie p" ] Heap Kick [Juvenilia@aol.com] The ever-popular Paige polls... ["Shelly" ] A Heap of fun ["Chipko Arnold" ] various topics [jgay@nhpri.org] Wanna be cool...tall..vulnerable...? [Easter ] disney [---becky--- ] cover songs [Craig King ] chasing amy, beck-liz [Sarah Scott ] Fiona ["Wyld Khardd vs. Dixon Hall" ] Re: Everlasting Gaze [SilverZero@aol.com] Liz dream [Emerald314@aol.com] joey & divorce song [valerieb@mindspring.com] divorce song [brian d irby ] Re: Heap Kick [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: disney [Headache79@aol.com] Want your own radio station? ["Michael Worrell" ] "freak out!!" ["Dana Polachowski" ] COVERS ["Katie Brown" ] Fiona Fiasco & my Liz Dream ["Katie Brown" ] re:re:re:re:divorce song ["Jaimee Kudrle" ] Liz Phair on Dawson's Creek ["Andrea Steiner" ] over everything [MAILER-DAEMON ] No Liz Content... ["Joseph H. Weber" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: jake Subject: do you really care??? mikey c posed a question: >>... I also picked up an older flemming & john album ... >The older Fleming & John, _Delusions of Grandeur_. Was it >the Universal or REX release? it's the universal release. got it from best buy. not my first choice of retailer, but I'll take what I can get. I remember they played at a concert here in champaign, il several years ago. don't remember seeing them, but I want to say it was the same concert wesley willis was at. anyway, I've only given it one listen, but I like it. update on that save ferris: I love it. I'm at the point in my life where I need something upbeat, sometimes sarcastic, fun, and angsty all at once. I can't stop listening to "mistake" where have I heard it before? some tv show or movie? and damn, sandra, remember to listen to it :) anyone watch dawson's creek? did you see the wcse flat on the wall of joey's college crush? my roommate actually saw it before I did (she's not a liz fan, knows her through me). I heard a song at a bar tonight and it is bugging me that I cannot remember who sings it. it's several years old (1993-ish?) and it's called "mother, mother" or something. she talks about experimenting with tobacco and lifting up her skirt, mellow verses, screams the chorus, remember it? I know someone must. yeah, I know, great clues... speaking of liz once again, I think rocket boy is one of her rockingest fucking songs she has done. it is so not eig, but it pumps me up just the same. that guitar is great. anja begged: >oh please please please i would die to buy that cd from ya >how much do ya want? was this to me about juvenilia? wasn't sure. jake who is currently "writing a novel called 'new orleans ain't no city, it's a scar'" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 01:14:05 -0600 From: "reesie p" Subject: random musings by reese i saw the poster on dawson's tonite (what can i say, i'm addicted) and went nuts. i saw it the first flash across the screen and i was so worried they wouldn't show it again. was anyone else hoping they'd add a little bit of her music in there just for fun? also, being responsible for the whole chasing amy thread, i feel inclined to defend it. i love the movie. if i ever had any thought about becoming a lesbian, they're because of that movie. i so agree that you shouldn't, as joey says, kill half your chance of meeting your soul mate simply because they're not the right gender. too bad i'm not attracted to girls. also, i think her song is amazing, especially considering she's not a musician. "i wanna feel passion, i wanna feel pain, i wanna weep at the sound of your name" maybe it's just me, but i always thought that was a common sentiment. maybe i'm just missing the drama of being in a relationship. i really like it when you find a great song in a movie. for example, my favorite movie of all time, the thing called love. i know i'll probably get shit, considering it's country, but i'm a texas girl and i just can't shake it. also, don't laugh, but my favorite disney movie is bambi. i hadn't seen it since i was about 7 and my roommate forced me to watch it last week. it's so funny! by far the funniest disney movie. it looks like we all like different ones, sorry if your theory isn't working out, but you should still let us know what it was. reesie p "and so i wait for that glorious day, when the one i dream of comes my way, but until i find them i'll wait patiently, just feeling nothing inside of me." -joey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:09:46 EST From: Juvenilia@aol.com Subject: Heap Kick Hey peoples.... I have a few things to mention which is rare considering I rarely even post. First off, about Fiona Apple... I've never been impressed with her vocal quality when it comes to live performances. I saw her perform a couple years ago in Washington, D.C. (Morcheeba openes - GREAT BAND). She came off as a really snobbish and profane little girl. Her attitude really diminished the high respect I had originally had for her based on her music alone. And I do realize you shouldn't let any artist's true life persona ruin what you love about their music, but damn... it was difficult not to. I do believe she's an incredible lyricist, but that is all. Thank god I don't have to tour with her. As for Imogen Heap, I was on a big Heap kick for the longest time. Her debut "I Megaphone" is excellent. I've heard comparisons to Tori Amos and Alanis Morissette, but again, the comparisons are incorrect and uneducated. I suggest people check her out if they find the opportunity. And finally, to my Liz content. When it comes to songs I think would be cool for Liz to cover, I personally can't think of many songs. Maybe Blood, Sweat & Tears' "And When I Die". I think Liz could pull that off fairly well. I was even telling a friend of mine that would be equally awesome if Aimee and Liz did a duet together. That would personally rock my world. What are everyone else's thoughts? Sometimes, Robbie THE SLICK DIVIDE - http://valmccown.com/lizphair.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:10:45 -0800 From: "Shelly" Subject: The ever-popular Paige polls... Paige asked: "What is your favorite animated Disney film?" *holding my head & grimacing a bit...* As much as I don't like alot of what Disney does, in & out of Disneyland, I have to say I adore those horribly collectible movies they put out. My favorites: 1. The Lion King--I can't help it, I'm a sucker for animals & Simba rocks. 2. The Fox & The Hound--Hmmm, repeat above line, "I'm a Hound Dog, Hoooowwl!" 3. The Little Mermaid--I like Ariel for her impetuous & independent nature, until she gets her legs, that is. That and the priest w/ a woody at the wedding ceremony. Maybe that's what I like best about the Disney flicks--there's always someone willing to put their job on the line to give a bunch of perv-seeking jokesters a good laugh!! (okay, I think I fixed my e-mail so it won't take 4 days for this message to finally get posted, only to be horribly out of context!) ~gunshy~ Shelly "Oh Uncle Scar, you're so weird" (Simba) "You have NO idea" (Scar) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 05:56:04 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: A Heap of fun >From: Miz Phair >Subject: Re: mystery song > >OK, so I've happened along Imogen Heap and really getting into >her. Anyone >else into her/got any details? >paige- ......I saw her in the Falcon in Camden, London a few weeks back. Can't remember what band i was seeing. She was at the bar with a group of people, she wasn't actually playing that night. When i saw her i thought "ooh, whatever happened to her?". That's not a lot of help, other to establish that she's still alive. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:44:56 -0500 From: jgay@nhpri.org Subject: various topics Random Responses and thoughts: 1. Clerks is the all-time best movie. I laugh my ass off every time I see it. 2. In contrast, I agree with the posting about Chasing Amy. I could NOT sit through that move, despite the fact Joey Lauren Adams is a major babe 3. I LOVE the idea of Liz singing Bryan Adams' Run To You. I can hear her wailing it in my mind right now. 4. Finally, I have a 6 year old. I have sat through literally hundreds of Disney movies (well, maybe the same 5 or 6, 100 times each.) Its pretty hard to beat the original Lion King. Total Non-Liz (or anything else related topic). My wife and I are making our first venture into NYC in a couple of weeks. I need some advice from an expert. We want to hit a couple of fun nightspots, something that will give us the feel of the city, but I don't want one of those clubs where you have to be Puff Daddy to get in. Any suggestions? (we will be staying in the Murray Hill area) You can email me on the side. Thanks to everyone for a great list, it is the highlight of my morning emails!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: Easter Subject: Wanna be cool...tall..vulnerable...? Ugh...I'll never be able listen to "Perfect World" like I used to. My point? Well, in my American sign language class, the project is to interpret a song by sign and I've thought of using this song for the simple fact that I know it by heart and it's easy. I was talking about the song to another classmate who already knows sign and sang the chorus to him. His response? "Oh, you could get really sexy with that if you want." Uh...excuse me? No..no..no! He practically ruined it too when he signed the "vulnerable, luscious" part. Geez...I have such a big mouth. I better stick with the Beatles then. Any other suggestions? Katie ();) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "You waste your time with hate and regret," - Madonna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: ---becky--- Subject: disney my favorite disney movie is... snow white. there was some downright scary shit in that movie. that takes balls. now for my least favorite disney movie (aside, of course, from all the live action drivel that they like to turn out -**snow day**-)... i hate the little mermaid! that was one of my favorite childhood stories then disney goes and mutilates it into mushy, useless goo. yes, i am bitter. no if ands or buts. in the *real* story the prince marries another woman so she kills herself with a dagger that her sisters have bought from the whitch (with their hair.) and for her selflessness she is turned into a breeze and she gets to do good deeds until she earns a soul. sorry about the liz free post...um...liz could make a sond out of that. - -becky ===== "being myself on fire i set others on fire." -anais nin http://i.am/beckybecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: cover songs Songs I'd love to hear Liz cover: "Gimme Shelter" - Rolling Stones "Straight Into Darkness" - Tom Petty "Heart of Gold" - Neil Young "Call Me" - Blondie "I Am The Walrus" - The Beatles "The Crystal Ship" - The Doors (I could see her doing a really cool all piano version of ths song) How about this one? I'd love to hear Liz do a cover of "867-5309" by Tommy Tutone. However instead of saying "Jenny, Jenny" Liz can say "Johnny, Johnny" to fit in with her theme of using the name Johnny in her songs. Craig Oasis - "Standing On The Shoulder of Giants" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Scott Subject: chasing amy, beck-liz fiona apple acting the part of the miscontent rock star? could she make me hate her more, even though I actually like some of her music (though she makes it hard) paige-I hated chasing amy. The first ten minutes started off hilarious, but the rest of the film was boring, boring, boring. Although, I liked the scene where they recreated the boating scene from "jaws" with the blue panels in the background, plate on the table...did anyone else catch that? I read the Liz and Beck interview, and was throughly disappointed. I expected a little more depth and interest. I think it would have gone over much better had it not been a phone interview, but instead were galavanting about playing pranks and that card trick thing beck does (all the while getting high and being silly). that's my ideal on it anyway, oh well. I just got Phairplay, and finally got to listen to new Liz. Is the stuff just that good, or am I just enthralled by anything new from her? maybe both? - --sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Wyld Khardd vs. Dixon Hall" Subject: Fiona > i would love to hear someone elses opinion if anyone else was there. I was there too. It was definitely a bizarre experience. I think her monitor was busted so she had no idea how she sounded and then she just started thinking the worst and freaked. I think she put a lot of pressure on herself to play well in front of the hometown crowd and when things started to unfold the way they did she just went waaay overboard. I found it quite ironic that she sang Sleep to Dream, which features the lyric "Don't be so sensitive" while she was busy flipping out over a non-problem. From where I was everything sounded fine for the first few songs, but it began to unravel when she started cursing everything out. The band was out of it by that point and she was obviously out of it and the show was over. You knew when she left the stage she wasn't coming back. You could see her trying to figure out a way to get off the stage without pissing off the crowd too much and to find a way to make it up to them. I don't think this is the first time she's done this either. Mostly, I felt sorry for her. It was kind of like watching a car crash in slow motion. d. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:26:17 EST From: SilverZero@aol.com Subject: Re: Everlasting Gaze In a message dated 3/2/00 1:17:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: << The new Smashing Pumpkins cd is really cool, I can't stop playing it. I love track three, whatever it's called. >> It's called Stand Inside Your Love.. and for all of you who haven't bought MACHINA, yet, go do it! :-) Kevin SilverZERO@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:38:39 EST From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Liz dream I had a sort-of Liz dream last night. In the dream I was in Tower Records and I was looking around and I found this video with Liz on the front, in this black dress that looked like it was from the 80s. She had really big hair and was wearing bright red lipstick. I was like, What is this?! It was a movie, and Liz was the star of it. I remember that I turned it over and noticed that it was rated PG, and I looked at the price and it was like $95! So, sadly, I didn't buy it. So, isn't that fun. I tried to get tickets for that Fiona show at Roseland but wasn't able to....I can't believe she freaked out like that, I would have liked to see that. She is so odd. One last thing: I would have to say that my favorite Disney movie is probably Sleeping Beauty. ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:48:20 -0500 From: valerieb@mindspring.com Subject: joey & divorce song >And that voice - aaaargh! Sorry, sure Joey's cute, but I can't take >that voice for an entire film. ...thank you paige! i thought i was the only one...very few things truly grate on me, but her voice is one of them. go down an octave already! re: "you put in my hand a loaded gun and then told me not to fire it" ...this also reminds me of when someone tells someone else they don't want to date anymore (loaded gun), and then gets pissed off when the dumpee wants an explanation/closure. or, the dumpee is afraid to ask for an explanation b/c of possible dumper reaction. fucking cowards! (hi sandra...feeling better, doll?). it all just builds up until both people have scads of negative energy but are afraid to "fire it," becasue they perceive the other (true or not) as "not letting them." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:27:01 -0600 From: brian d irby Subject: divorce song I think the main line to think of in the song is "It is harder to be friends and lovers and you shouldn't try to mix the two." She is admitting that the marriage was based more on physical stuff than true deep loving friendship. The song is great I think. I am sure the line has been uttered a time or two in the final round of many a marriage: "You never were a waste of MY time." Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:12 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Heap Kick I think it might be cool if Liz covered some Laura Nyro songs, the womsan who wrote And When I Die for Blood Sweat And Tears. How about Eli's Coming. Or When I Die, and Stoney End. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:18:02 EST From: Headache79@aol.com Subject: Re: disney hey all, just thought i'd add my favorite disney pics to the current thread, mainly cuz i'm interested in finding out the mysterious purpose of this thread: Beauty and the Beast Peter Pan Snow White and just cause it makes me laugh, does anyone else out there have the guitar book for Whipsmart? I got it the other day and the lyrics make me laugh. I don't know which idiot transcribed them, but he/she got them soooooooooooo wrong. whoever it was misheard the "you fuck like a volcano" as "you fought like a volcano"... honestly some mistakes I could forgive. i've misheard many liz lyrics, but some of these interpretations are so tragically off. paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:23:26 -0500 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Want your own radio station? Well, this might be false advertising--but does it irk you to go and change CDs every so often while surfing the Internet and what not? Tired of commercial radio that rotates around the Aguilera-Spears axis? Do something about it--get your own station. The nice folks over at radio.sonicnet.com let anyone with patience and an active connection set up their own little RealAudio/Windows Media Player streaming station and pretty much configure it any which way you want with regards to content. Use it often enough, and you'll probably be able to build something almost totally perfect with regards to who is (and isn't) played. Me, I just decided to write this after I was fooling around with my station and managed to get 'Johnny Feelgood' played in the rotation. Other than that, there's no Liz content. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:19:30 -0800 From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: "freak out!!" > Subject: fiona apple meltdown > > word is all over that she went bonkers at roseland in nyc tuesday night. ******************** > i still love her cd, but now it makes me think that her producer is the real > talent here. her lyrics are fabulous, but i was not impressed. > wow..... in reference to the second comment, remember her performance at the grammys the year she was nominated for "tidal"? she was clearly struggling with vocals. i didn't think her performance *sucked,* but she seemed to be working way too hard to get it out. i was wondering about it. so, now this sort of confirms that she has vocal performance problems. her voice is naturally quiet and low, and she's trying to "project," which is sort of a mistake.... the rest of it makes me think she skipped her dosage for a couple days.... anyways, re: kevin smith flicks, i, too, *can't stand* joey lauren adams' voice. enduring it for a whole movie was a trial.... but i really liked "chasing amy" nonetheless. it's a flawed movie in many ways, but he still talks about the deep issues of relationship in a way no one else does. and, yeah, it really did seem like "ok, here's my girlfriend and she wrote this song and i'm gonna put it in the movie...." which made me sort of roll my eyes.... but i also took it as that her character didn't know how much she sucked, she just did it anyway. like, she's "passionate" and maybe not so "talented" at singing, but whatever, she doesn't care. i'm sure that's not how it was intended--i think she was indeed supposed to be "good"--but that's not how it came off. kevin, god love him, totally dropped the ball on "dogma"; i was really looking forward to it, but was pretty disappointed overall. there were some great moments, like when bethany was freaking out in the water and--oh god--that guy going off on "god" at the end, but... that whole salma hayek as a stripper thing *really* pissed me off. grrrrr. it sort of degenerated from there. dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:23:17 PST From: "Katie Brown" Subject: COVERS Hidilly-ho, support-systemerinos! Liz covers… I loved Liz doing Allison (Elvis Costello) and I’m a Believer (the Monkees) and I dig listening to her do All Right Now (Free) and of course the Emotional Rescue (Stones) bit in Divorce Song. Seeing this pattern in the songs that she likes to cover and also taking into consideration her voice in general… I can’t exactly think of a song by Janis Joplin or Lauryn Hill that I’d like to hear Liz cover, although these are two of my favorites artists! So here’s what I came up with. Cinnamon Girl, Neil Young “I’d like to live with a Cinnamon Girl, I could be happy for the rest of my life with a Cinnamon Girl…” killer song, I would love to hear Liz sing this song… Go Your Own Way, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young “If I could, baby I’d give you my world…” eh, not as good as Cinnamon Girl though. Mercenary, Skidmarks on My Heart, Get Up and Go, anything by the Go-Go’s Maybe I’m Amazed, Paul McCartney This will be my wedding song if and when I choose to get married which I probably will not. But if I ever decide to get married, this is my song. It just is. Liz would sound great doing this, I just know it. After Midnight, Clapton This is a great cover song - anyone could pull it off…. “After midnight, we gonna let it all hang out… we gonna shake and jump and shout…” woohoo! I love this song! Castle Made of Sand, Jimi Hendrix I think she could do it… Damn is this post gonna bounce? Is there anyway to check the “size” of a block of text anyway? I had a Liz dream, and Lani, you were in it! Going to start a new post, KB ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:24:28 PST From: "Katie Brown" Subject: Fiona Fiasco & my Liz Dream Ok, new post. So what the hell happened with Fiona Apple??? Lani? That is so fucked up! She had a breakdown on stage? That is so insane, I mean, shit goes wrong but you have to keep your cool. What was her band doing? We’re you laughing? Pissed? I bet Liz would be really pissed off if something like that happened to her– in fact, my first time seeing Liz in 1994 she was really pissed off, the meatheads in the audience were moshing and and yelling “blow job queen” and “fuck and run, fuck me!” and it was pretty bad. She was trying to introduce Whip Smart material and nobody had heard it yet, so the crowd was majorly restless… ***but she didn’t start swearing and crying or anything!*** She did cut her show off early with a flat, cold, “I’m gonna do my encore now, ok?” This was the Rock for Choice thing in Chicago, she looked really uncomfortable in that Alice-in-Wonderland-type fluffy dress she used to wear with sneakers. Liz Dream, 3/1/2000, about 6:30am So the setting was a party in some type of Hall, like a Knights of Columbus or an AMVETS kind of place… and Liz was there performing. Her set ended and the DJ started playing stuff like YMCA, We Are Family, and the Limbo song. There were old people and little kids limbo-ing with the village people hats and all kinds of props and costumes. So myself, Lani, and my friend Maggie (who I don’t even really talk to that much anymore but Craig and Jorge met her the night before our Liz @ the Lounge Ax extravaganza) went into a side room to dance around and spin around by ourselves… and Liz comes in and is like, “can I spin with you guys in here? I really do not dig this scene” of course Lani, Maggie, and I said “sure” and the four of us proceed to spin in circles around this empty side room. Then this conga line of idiots comes congo-ing through the room and people in the line keep trying to grab Lani, Maggie, Liz Phair and I into the congo line. We had stopped spinning so as not to be caught off guard and dragged into the line, so all we did was stand there rolling our eyes at each other. Then I woke up. True dream, I swear. WELL…. Much like the belly-button of Annie Reisinger, my next-door neighbor growing up, I’m outtie. Later kids ~~~ Katie B ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:40:20 -0600 From: "Jaimee Kudrle" Subject: re:re:re:re:divorce song |Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:53:24 EST |From: MaryChristineK@aol.com |Subject: Re: divorce song | |The line, "You put in my hand a loaded gun. . . and told me not to fire it. . ." is a perfect analogy for the negative reactive |responses to a bad relationship. It cuts the actively cruel party some slack, and recognizes that both are equally responsible for the |status of the relationship. It is about time that people realize that. seems kinda angry, so... ok...well i just wanted to say that this is pretty much what i was attempting to say, if this was/was not directed towards me. Jaimee ******************************** "Much madness is divinest sense" Emily Dickinson (1830-1886) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:33:01 EST From: "Andrea Steiner" Subject: Liz Phair on Dawson's Creek Well, no Liz songs were actually on Dawson's Crack, I mean, Creek, last night, but a Liz Phair poster, looking like the cover of Whitechocolatespaceegg, could be seen distinctly in the background last night. Joey was visiting someone's dorm in some Boston college, and the poster was on the wall in back of her head. Andrea <>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<> "I've got to tear my life apart and go west, young man." --Liz Phair <>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: over everything I already said what songs I'd like Liz to cover, but I heard that oldies song that goes something like: "... don't need no biology. Don't need my history book... something something French I took." The radio's playing so I can't clearly recall the song at all, but everyone in the whole world knows this song and can sing along with it. I thought, "Wow, it would be fun to see Liz do this." Secondly, my favorite Disney movie would have to be Aladdin. I don't really have any reason why, it's just fun. And I like the soundtrack. Thirdly, I wanted to say something about the whole Fiona Apple thing. Look, she's trying to put on a good show for everybody, she's really insecure, she's very paranoid, and she was very mentally unstable before she even got into the whole show business thing. From what I know of her (which really makes this no expert's opinion) it's shocking that she's even in front of a bunch of people, let alone singing and taking center stage. Plus, if you add in the fact that she's under the umbrella of corporate rock, and corporate rock does its best to exploit people like Fiona, and Fiona is doing her best to not let that happen. But, corporate rock is like a chess master, you never know if you're duping it or playing into the palm of its hand. To make a long story short, she's stressed out beyond (if I may make a generalization) your most stressed out period. To just shrug it off as, "Oh, she's just a pompous bitch..." probably means you didn't think about it much. Maybe she is a bitch, maybe she is spoiled. But, you don't know. You probably never will know. You're just making a judgement from what the press says. And, when you really look at how far removed the person writing the articles is from the actual information, any judgement based on that is horribly uneducated. Once again, to make a long story short, none of you know Fiona Apple personally, so don't be so pissed off about her. Actually, I don't care if you're pissed off about her, just don't act like you'd be any better standing in her shoes. That's just my biggest pet peeve. To quote an obscure song: "You may say that you'd choose to be in my shoes, but look what it did for me." Thank you for the space for my rant. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire "Well, my daddy, he didn't leave me much, you know he was a very simple man, but what he did tell me was this, he did say, son, he said, he say, you know, it's possible to become so defiled in this world that your own father and mother will abandon you and if that happens, God will always believe in your ability to mend your ways." -Bob Dylan's acceptance speech in its entirety for his lifetime achievement Grammy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:55:24 -0600 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: No Liz Content... Greetings: Thought I'd come out of lurking to put my input in on K. Smith. I love the films, and I currently have Mallrats and Clerks on dvd. Still waiting on Chasing Amy. Dogma was good, but I made the mistake of discussing the movie with a woman who follows the Roman Catholic dogma to a T. I don't remember much of the conversation because it started going downhill when I mentioned that since God is something spiritual, it could be a man or a woman depending on what your ideal of what such entity would be. She stated that it definitely was a man because the bible said so, etc. I have to admit, the conversation was interesting. The only thing that kinda bugged me about the film was Rufus's use of modern slang. Oh, I think Gaiman kicks ass. I have all the Sandman graphic novels in hardcover except for Preludes and Nocturnes and Seasons of Mist which I have in softcover. What did you think of Princess Mononokee? (However you spell it). I also have The High Cost of Living and Angels & Visitations. Sorry, no Liz this time. Joe ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #57 ***********************************