From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #50 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, February 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- LIZ...Aimee...LIZ... ["Luu, Jennifer K" ] grammy crap [valerieb@mindspring.com] Grammy's and Liz [Craig King ] Fatalism ["Aimee's Roadie" ] Re: Fatalism [Jason Long ] "...but i must have something better to do..." ["Dana Polachowski" ] Re: Looking... [tommyk7@excite.com] comp album and janet rains [robert joyner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:23:32 -0500 From: "Luu, Jennifer K" Subject: LIZ...Aimee...LIZ... Paige wrote: > Liz's brief appearance on VH-1's Greatest Women in > Rock and Roll will be airing again March 5 at 4 p.m. > EST. > > I always like catching it, even though I've seen it a > few times already... > > paige- > > ===== > "So row, row, row your boat > Gently down the stream > I hope you drown and never come up..." > > Aimee Mann, "Choice in the Matter" I love that segment too!! I actually taped it when it aired last time and I watch it ovah and ovah again! :) Anyway, what I wanted to say was, doesn't Sarah McLachlan sound stupid as hell when she talks about Liz? It's so funny...not that I have anything against Sarah...I mean, she is not one of my favorite women artists, however, I do like her older stuff better...but anyway, she just sounds so dumb!! There ain't no denyin' it! "Liz is a very smart woman...her lyrics are very clever and....smart." I was laughing for quite a while. Also, I was hoping Kim Gordon would say something cooler about Liz too...I dunno what, but just something cooler. Anyway, I was just wondering if you caught that. Also, I must comment on your Aimee Mann quote...I LOVE IT!! I remember her playing "Choice in the Matter" on David Letterman back in 1994 when "I'm With Stupid" fiiiiiirst came out....ahhh...those were the days...I was in 8th grade!! HA!! Anyway, sorry to ramble. Everyone have a good day, and don't worry!!!! Just be patient with the new album!! It will come and when it does, it will be BEAUTIFUL!!! AND WE ALL KNOW IT!!! :) Peace, Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:07:18 -0500 From: valerieb@mindspring.com Subject: grammy crap against my better judgment, i watched the grammys for a few minutes last night. i almost turned it off after britney (what was up with the "mr. roboto" theme...a sneaky little tribute to styx, perhaps? and those *shoes*...), but then i saw sheryl, melissa and sara come out so i stuck around. how painful it was to watch these three fabulous, i'll even venture to say *legendary* women present an award to christina "ugly-hair-a" (sorry, couldn't resist, that cracks me up)! best new female *artist*? does she even *do* anything? you know those three were like, "there goes the neighborhood." i immediately switched to 'south park' and never looked back. haven't been able to take fiona's "pawn" CD out of my car player this week. i'm addicted. liz content: i'm listening to WCSE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Grammy's and Liz As much as I've complained about this list in the past, I sure hope it doesn't die! Come on people! :) Well, the Grammy's were a bunch of crap as usual. There was only one part of the show that was great. Say what you want about Kid Rock, but his performance blew the roof off the dump. It provided the one bright spot in an otherwise downright crappy show. I mean where else can you see an artist go from playing beautiful piano in "Only God Knows Why", to hard driving metal/rap in "Bawitaba", to the classic rock sounds of a cover of Grand Funk Railroad's "American Band"? Steven wrote: >>i imagine the combination of touring and recording (WCSE) made her a bit home sick. So, she is taking the opportunity to take some time off and enjoy the only childhood her kid has.<< I have to totally agree with this. Being adopted, I'm sure Liz wants to be as much of a mother to Nick as she possible can, and always be there for him. How can anyone fault her for that? I think Liz will release the new album when she's good and ready. I think a combination of being a mother right now and wanted to take her time in putting out a quality album is what is accounting for the delay. It may not come out in Spring, but whenever it does come out, it'll be well worth the wait as usual. Craig NP: 3 Doors Down - "Better Life" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Aimee's Roadie" Subject: Fatalism - --- Craig King wrote: > As much as I've complained about this list in the > past, I sure hope it doesn't die! Come on people! > :) > I think talk about the list "dying" is a little bit early and wrong. A couple weeks ago, digests considered mainly of people defending or railing against Aimee Mann content. Not exactly flourishing. I think the list is perfectly healthy. It's a nice community (even if we do have flareups from time to time). And when we take out our Liz CDs and listen to them and discover something new, there's somewhere to go and discuss it. Don't worry - Liz will return eventually and so will "healthy" digests/posts. paige- ===== "So row, row, row your boat Gently down the stream I hope you drown and never come up..." Aimee Mann, "Choice in the Matter" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:04:08 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Fatalism Paige wrote: >I think the list is perfectly healthy. It's a nice >community (even if we do have flareups from time to >time). And when we take out our Liz CDs and listen to >them and discover something new, there's somewhere to >go and discuss it. > >Don't worry - Liz will return eventually and so will >"healthy" digests/posts. I agree with all of this, but I'd also like to point out that this has happened several times in the past and the list most certainly did not "die." Things tend to work in cycles here -- we've had extremely busy times in the past as well as extremely slow ones, and it's usually in direct relation to how active Liz is musically at that moment. When I was still running the list manually and compiling all the digests, there were a number of times when we had "non-digests," where I would send out something like the following: > 6'1" DIGEST > (June 25, 1997) > > > >**Sorry, no digest today -- I haven't received any posts for the list.** > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > 6'1" > The Liz Phair Digest List > > Send all messages to jlong@georgian.net >-------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes this would go on for a few days in a row, but eventually things would start to pick up again. During those times, Liz hadn't happened to be doing much and that's the case at the moment as well. I'm sure once Liz is back in the studio and we start to hear some news about the album again, the list will flourish again. Speaking of Liz news, I'm attending Aimee Mann's show in Toronto tonight, and if I get the chance I'll ask Buddy if there's been any change on the status of the album. Sure, it hasn't even been two weeks since we heard about the delay, but the situation could be completely different now. I hate to get my hopes up too much until we know more, but maybe a summer or fall release will be possible. With hours to go until the Aimee show, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:05:44 -0800 From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: "...but i must have something better to do..." > > I honestly am not surprised that the new album has > been put on hold. Liz seems to be (with each new > album) moving in a more studio styled perfected album. well, after WCSE came out, all reports and her fairly intensive touring seemed to indicate that motherhood had actually made her MORE driven; she said herself in several interviews that it made her more focused. she also said her experiences on lilith helped shape her career goals even further. also, consider the move to capitol--i don't think she'd do that if she wasn't at least a little serious about moving her career along. and she really *did* work up some steam and at least *start* on a new album, but.... i dunno.... her kid's only 3. i mean, i'm sorry, but she's gotta be around for that--the early ones are important years when you're raising a kid. she's pretty quixotic, though. it looks like her feelings change pretty rapidly and she just does whatever the hell she wants. so, i'm not surprised either. i guess i was more surprised to hear her talk about how she was gonna really go after a big music career. she didn't really want one in the first place. at least not a typical one. OK, next, i really can't believe some of you are freaking out to the list over small digests.... i mean, whatever!! nature is cyclical and, you know, PEOPLE HAVE LIVES...sorry!! i don't know, i guess i just really don't appreciate being "scolded" for not posting. this list is supposed to be *fun*.... yours, dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:24:35 -0800 From: drpeak@juno.com Subject: Liz in "Bitch" Book I don't recall if this has been mentioned on the list or not, but in Elizabeth Wurtzel's newest book BITCH: IN PRAISE OF DIFFICULT WOMEN, she has this to say about Liz Phair: And while singer-songwriter Liz Phair is thought of as one of those dirty girls with a rough mouth, one who can be plain and unpretty about sex, people should not fail to notice the exhaustion in her songs, the sounds of disappointment that link her directly to the girl fading away in Minot's story, or to the girl standing by impassive and sullied in Dobie's recollection. Phair's detachment, which is thrilling enough to be mistaken for heat, is absolutely about all things tepid and empty. Sung against the monotony of the piano-practice tune "Chopsticks," Phair's lyrics are deflated, resigned: "He said he liked to do it backwards / I said that's just fine with me / That way we can fuck and watch TV." And on "Fuck and Run," Phair struck a particular note with many women for singing about the frustrations of waking up in bed with someone you barely know, knowing full well that you aren't going to get to know him any better. "I can feel it in my bones /'I'm going to spend another year alone," she says in the refrain, and on the final repetition she changes it to the slightly more ominous "I can feel it in my bones / I'm gonna spend my whole life alone / Its fuck and run / Fuck and run / Ever since I was seventeen / Ever since I was twelve." You see, the cross-purposes of sexuality begin at seventeen, at twelve. She mentions Liz a few more times throughout the book, but that was the biggest piece. NP: Throwing Muses, The Doghouse Cassette D.R.Peak http://redrival.com/justroy/notflies ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:53 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Fatalism As someone who sat through all of the waiting you had to do if you were a diehard Aimee Mann fan, with all her record comapny problems, which took most of the 90's to work out, I have learned to be patient. I do not mind waiting for the new Liz album, she will put it out when she's ready. Patience. I'm sure it will be great too. And anyway rasing a kid isn't easy, any mom will tell you, and her son is at that stage when he needs a lot of mothering. My mom did it with my brother and I and when we were big enough, she went back to work. Liz is doing the same thing. Patience. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 00 12:18:46 -0800 From: "Al" Subject: Looking for female musicians who can rock... ...or female musicians who are just plain awesome musicians to add to my already large cd collection. Can ya'll throw out a few names. Here is a collection of my favorite female musicians: Liz Phair (of course) Maria McKee Debbie Gibson (that's a joke) Aimee Mann Cheryl Crow Sleater Kinney Kristen Hersh Leona Naess Heather Nova Melissa Etheridge Bonnie Raitt Hope Sandoval (Mazzy Star) Melissa Ferrick Joni Mitchell Cat Power Natalie Merchant Tanya Donnelly Paula Frazer (Tarnation) Juliana Hatfield Amy Rigby Barbara Manning Tori Amos Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: Re: Looking... On Thu, 24 Feb 00 12:18:46 -0800, Al wrote: "...or female musicians who are just plain awesome musicians to add to my already large cd collection. Can ya'll throw out a few names. Here is a collection of my favorite female musicians: Liz Phair (of course) Maria McKee..." If you're going to list Liz first, then you should purchase some (all) of PJ Harvey's CDs and put her second. PJ Harvey discography: Is This Desire? (1998) To Bring You My Love (1995) Rid Of Me (1993) 4-Track Demos (1993) Dry (1992) TMK No llores, mi querida Dios nos vigila Soon the horse will take us to Durango. Agarrame, mi vida Soon the desert will be gone Soon you will be dancing the fandango. - -Bob Dylan _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: robert joyner Subject: comp album and janet rains Jason mentioned the other day that he would like to see some kind of ep or b-sides comp cd from liz. I think this would be a great idea, even if it is unlikely to happen. One option would be to release a comp album featuring soundtrack stuff, unreleased, and live stuff. I know that most of us already have every liz boot under the sun but it would still be cool to have it an official relese that sort of tied everything together. Another route would be to release another ep or full length cd of girlysound demos. I would love to have the girlysound stuff cleaned up digitally and officially released. I doubt we will see either of these two items come to fruition, though. the dollars and cents probably don't add up correctly for the number crunchers at Capitol. non-liz Janet Rains, Liz Phair's touring back-up singer, will be playing on February 29, 2000, at the Bitter End in New York City! Showtime is 9:15 PM. Robert ===== I'm Only Happy When It's Rains http://www.geocities.com/janetrains2000/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #50 ***********************************