From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #41 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Release Deight ["John Boyd" ] liz influenced movie titles? ["Morrise, Jason" ] Oh no! [Craig King ] Liz album news ... not great ["Aimee's Roadie" ] Aimee's Oscar nomination! (no Liz content) [Jason Long ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #40 [KiTkAtE907@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V3 #40 ["reese" ] [none] ["M.L. Magdalene" ] Re: I Don't Know If This is Normal or Not and MSCL ["Jen Lott" ] industry news ["overpavement" ] My So-Called Life box set [Talula9695@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:38:37 EST From: "John Boyd" Subject: Re: Release Deight >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:18:12 EST >From: "John Boyd" >Subject: release d8 > >Ive heard late August. > >But certainly not Spring. :( Yes I am replying to my own email. Well NE ways I wont hold my breath for the next album. Not surprising considering WCSE was pushed back about 37 months. TowerRecords has "Whats Up Matador" for 7.99, which isnt too bad considering its a 2 CD set -- cant go wrong there. And it does have Stratford to meet the required Liz content. Along with some Pavement, P5, GBV, etc. The reason why no one writes anymore is because theres nothing really new to say. JFB ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:26:22 -0600 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: liz influenced movie titles? so, I was listening to love lines last night (the real radio show, not the mtv shit), and the guest is in some movie named "gunshy." I vaguely remember hearing about it before. along with that and the previously mentioned "supernova," what is going on with liz songs as movie titles? what is next, "soap star joe?" actually, "mesmerizing" would make a good title too. anyone on this list planning on going to the ani difranco show in peoria, il on march 7? she's playing at the madison theatre, and if you have never been there, it is an excellent venue. it's an old movie theatre where they have removed the seats from the front and it's all general admission. the two times I have seen her before were in college gymnasiums, so I'm looking forward to something more intimate. jake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Oh no! >>NEW LIZ ALBUM DELAYED<< Oh no! It's WCSE all over again! I'd be lying if I said I wasn't extremely disappointed in this news. I just hope it's released at least some time this year. It's ok though, I'll have alot of stuff, such as the forthcoming Stone Temple Pilots tour, to tide me over until whenever the album is actually released. How did this information actually come about anyways? Did somebody actually talk to Buddy first hand or what? Just curious. Boy, it's hard being a Liz phan sometimes, but it sure is worth it in the long run. Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Aimee's Roadie" Subject: Liz album news ... not great Hi all- I have some not-so-happy Liz news. I was at the Aimee Mann/Michael Penn concert in Rhode Island on Sunday. I was introduced to Buddy Judge, who plays with Liz as well. Very nice guy; he played Mesmerizing during his soundcheck! Anyway, I told him I thought he was so lucky to work with my two favorite women in music and asked about touring. He said that they recorded some tracks for the album, but that Liz was home being "soccer mom." There doesn't seem to be any plan to wrap up the album as yet... This was the only sour note in my extremely wonderful experience. paige- (phormerly phairer) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:10:34 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Aimee's Oscar nomination! (no Liz content) Okay, after the bad news about Liz's new album, there's at least some good news for some of us -- Aimee Mann has been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Original Song for "Save Me" from Magnolia. Woohoo! This will be the best exposure Aimee will have ever received, as all of the nominees get to perform their songs on the awards broadcast to an audience of about one billion viewers. Let's just hope the Academy gets it right, after that horrible Golden Globes fuck-up. Yeah, like Phil Collins' cartoon monkey songs are really better than Aimee's introspective musings. What the hell? Also of note to Aimee fans, she will be appearing on The View on Wednesday, then on Late Night with Conan O'Brien on Friday. Going to see an Oscar nominee in concert in nine days, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:37:06 EST From: KiTkAtE907@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #40 Hey! Yes MSCL is the best show of all time. Fox Family is playing all of the episodes (though they're altered a bit) on Friday nights at 8 (that's in the New York area at least). Also, you can probably find the box set @ amazon. ~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:04:38 -0600 From: "reese" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #40 i think johnny represents every bastard out there, dear john, angry johnny (god i love poe) it's a pretty common name to use when talking about assholes in general... reesie p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:33:57 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: [none] >I love My So-called Life too! I only started watching it a couple of > >months ago in my summer holidays but then I was shocked to find one >day >it wasn't on and I found out there were no more episodes! I was so beyond distressed when they cancelled it!!! I mean what happened with the letter? With Brian and Angela? With Rae Ann and Angela? Jordan and Angela???? Now we well be forever burdened with these questions!!! >np: james - laid For some reason i thought i was the only person in the free world that actually owned and listened to this CD. Does this simply say something about the poor little white trash town i live in? >lets keep this list liz related im not a big help to this problem >but there have been many ocasion where i have deleted the support >system >digest before even reading it cause i know there wont be any >liz content You know i'm fully aware of the fact that i've been disapeared for a while but i could have sworn that we'd had this fucking conversation like time and time again....get over it... >Not from Kansas City, per se, but there are people from Lawrence. I didn't even realize there was anyone else on the list from KS. Of course..why would i. I live like 3-4 hours from Lawrence in this little((have i mentioned))white trash town called Hays. Back to my Manifesto.... M "On the first date, they just tell each other lies, and that usually gets them interested enough to go for a second date." -Mike, age 10 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:30:28 EST From: "Jen Lott" Subject: Re: I Don't Know If This is Normal or Not and MSCL I would be so scared if I had a dream like that!!! That's like having a concert with Tori Amos and Mariah Carey. Two opposites! As for My So-called Life, I still love the show even though it's been off the air for about 5 years now. Jared Leto's great! They're showing reruns on Fox Family Channel on Friday nights at 8pm. In my opinion that's a really sucky time cause barely anyone is watching TV at that time. Jen "What does a yellow light mean?" - JimIgnatowski (Christopher Lloyd) - TAXI ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:56:25 -0500 From: jgay@nhpri.org Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #40 NEW LIZ ALBUM DELAYED According to Buddy Judge, member of Liz's touring band, the forthcoming album An Evening With... has been shelved indefinitely. Buddy said that Liz is off being a soccer mom, and he has no idea when the album will get done. He played on the early stuff being layed down. Sorry to inform you all of this... [Thanks to Paige for the bad news.] well that made a shitty day just a little worse Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:19:56 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Funny, I just heard James's Laid on the radio today, great song. I like My So Called Life too. Didn't see every single epsode but I liked what I saw of it. Liz content, very dissapointing that her album is postponed. But WCSE did eventually see the light of day and so shall this, I don't think Capital will let this languish for very long. At the risk of making people grit their teeth, I am sooo glad Aimee Mann got an Oscar nomination for Save Me. I'm seeing her Thursday in NY at a place called Joe's Pub, my first time seeing an an Oscar nominee, and the forth time seeing Aimee. Hopefully I can equal that with four Liz shows someday. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: James >>np: james - laid Subject: Buddy content - --- Jason Long wrote: > Okay, after the bad news about Liz's new album, > there's at least some good > news for some of us -- Aimee Mann has been nominated > for an Academy Award > for Best Original Song for "Save Me" from Magnolia. > Woohoo! > Sorry I had to be such a downer. It was cool hearing Buddy play a bit of "Mesmerizing," though. Guess he really likes the music and it's not just a job... p- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:57:41 -0500 From: "overpavement" Subject: industry news i pulled this out of a newsletter i get, one that originates off of 'the industry standard' site and magazine (www.thestandard.com). i've edited out a lot, but apologize if it's more than anyone wants to read. no liz news here, so scroll down if that's what you're looking for, but some interesting news on the changing music industry. as much as i hate to think we'll have to wait for some new liz (i'm guessing now it'll be next year, not later THIS year, but i hope i'm wrong), i think stories like the one below make it easier to understand in some ways why she's not eager to jump right back into the abyss that is the music 'industry'. anyway, read it if you're interested. skip it if you're not. (btw, i have no affiliation with 'industry standard' or with this newsletter). oh, and lastly, regarding the new coverpage photo at the mesmerizing site, i have to say: god bless ken lee... :-) TOP STORY: ~~~~~~~~~~ By Julene Snyder Kissing off Farmclub.com may turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to The Rosenbergs. Since the New York-based power-pop group went public with their story last week about declining to sign Farmclub's "cyberscrewing" contract, the band's Web site (www.therosenbergs.com) has been drawing traffic, reporters, music execs and a much-prized e-mail of support from Courtney Love. The drama began three months ago, when the band uploaded three of its songs onto the Farmclub site. The premise of the new Internet music label, Jimmy and Doug's Farmclub (an affiliate of the Universal Music Group), is that unsigned bands can upload their music and get it heard by A&R professionals, who invite a few bands to perform on the Farmclub TV show and offer some of these a record deal. Sounds enticing, doesn't it? The Rosenbergs sure thought so. Farmclub sent a photographer to film them at their studio and around New Jersey. "It was a lot of fun," recalls Silverman. "All we asked is that they tell us if it was going to be on TV so we could tell our grandparents." Strike one: The band claims no one at Farmclub told them they'd be showing up on TV promos almost immediately. "[Once the band learned of the promos], we went to the Farmclub Web site and noticed that all of a sudden it had changed," recalls Silverman. Strike two: "It went from being a Web site where they get to choose who'll be on television to 'vote for your favorite band and whoever gets the most votes gets to be on TV.' I know that really means, 'we need hits for our advertisers,' but a lot of those hits are one person going and voting for their favorite band 500 times." The Rosenbergs sent an e-mail criticizing the change. Surprisingly, that action prompted the TV show's producer to call and offer the band a trip to L.A. and a slot on the show along with Counting Crows. But before the band could appear on the TV show, it had to sign a dense, 23-page contract, which required a slew of provisions, including one for a 60-day Farmclub exclusive to sign the band after the show aired. Should they be offered a record deal, The Rosenbergs would have been required to surrender ownership of their Web site and could have been obligated to Farmclub for as long as seven years. Strike three: "Basically, if we'd signed that contract, we would have no children, because they would have taken them, too." Ultimately, the band pulled out of the TV show and posted its decision online. The manifesto-like statement reads in part, "They are virtual wolves in sheep's clothing ready to take the unaware, eager songwriters and swallow them whole for breakfast and believe me, it's a buffet." [remainder of story edited out] SOUND OFF: ~~~~~~~~~ Last week's question: Do musicians need record companies? If so, what for? If not, why not? "I think the question should be, 'do CONSUMERS need records labels?' Record labels act as a filter to weed out the good from the bad. Admittedly they don't always get it right but regular consumers don't have the time, bandwidth or inclination to sift through the hundreds of thousands of awful MP3's that litter the Internet." - -Ben Clark eGroove "Yes, for the obvious reasons of powerful distribution and financial backing. Other than that, absolutely NOT! Since the arrival of the recording industry, corporate executives (who couldn't find 'rhythm' in a dictionary) have desperately fought for total control. Dividing music into 'ethnic' genres, buying out successful independents, and forcing artists to 'color within the confines of their black and white lines has ultimately perpetuated segregation and musical separation. In cyberspace, these rules no longer apply. Major labels take heed! The people no longer have to tolerate your 'manufactured canned goods.' MP3 and others also beware: NOT to repeat the history of record companies -- forever exploiting the artists." - - Colette Washington CEO, MyOwnMusic "As an outsider who once thought the music business would be an interesting market, I am sickened by the arrogance of both the recording industry and some of the musicians themselves. No other art form has the protection afforded by law that the music industry enjoys and yet they continually want more. [Other] industries don't whimper and complain that they aren't protected - they win by producing more and better product than the next guy. Maybe the music industry needs to come back down to earth and start producing the great product that will get them sales regardless of the law. You should be so happy that it's your stuff they're stealin'. Now figure out a way to parlay that into a positive figure to your bottom line." - Mike Momany This Week's Question: Would a record label be justified in requiring that a band that gets signed must relinquish rights to its Web site? STAFF ~~~~~ Written by Julene Snyder. Send newstips and press releases to julene@well.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:05:55 EST From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: My So-Called Life box set So how can you get My So-Called life in a box set? Jackie ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #41 ***********************************