From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V3 #25 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, January 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- EIG [RocketBoyD@aol.com] Re: the end of pop ["David Lizerbram" ] The end of pop II ["David Lizerbram" ] Retainer? ["Dennis J. Kim" ] Re: support-system-digest V3 #24 [B ] Music/movie industry musings... [Shelly ] end of pop again [MAILER-DAEMON ] question [blanche ligne ] Re: question [tommyk7@excite.com] re: first song you liked [Miz Phair ] First Liz Song I Liked [MAILER-DAEMON ] no one can catch my humor. . .? ["mesmer izing" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:31:33 EST From: RocketBoyD@aol.com Subject: EIG a question: is EIG still being pressed on vinyl? or whip-smart for that matter?.......just curious. PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:36:08 -0800 From: "David Lizerbram" Subject: Re: the end of pop I don't have the list in front of me, but the biggest moneymakers in American films this year were Star Wars, The Sixth Sense, Toy Story 2, Tarzan, The Runaway Bride, Austin Powers, The Matrix, etc. Some of the top 10 films were fabulous, some were not, but almost all of them were big-budgeted mass-audience-oriented films. The Sixth Sense being a possible exception (it did star Bruce Willis, after all). Blair Witch aside, the movies you cited, especially Magnolia and Eyes Wide Shut, have not made a ton of money, although Magnolia hasn't gone into wide release yet (or maybe it did this weekend). Whereas i wouldn't exactly call Runaway Bride a small, personal, arty film. While 1999 was one of the best years for American film ever, many of the best films did not find a wide audience, and many of the films that made money were not among the best. Like every year. Of course, some "blockbusters" did bomb, like WWW. However, that also happens every year--remember Waterworld? Cutthroat Island? Godzilla? And as for music, the new RS says that Britney and the Backstreet Boys combined to sell over 20 million albums last year. The end of pop? David Hey, i'm a first year law student...when can i start to call myself "David, Esquire"? ________________________________________ I pragmatically turn my whims into principles!--Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:40:39 -0800 From: "David Lizerbram" Subject: The end of pop II Actually, i guess the biggest film of the year was a personal, independent film. It was written and directed by one guy, financed with his own money. But Jar-Jar kind of killed the "artsy" thing... David ________________________________________ I pragmatically turn my whims into principles!--Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:28:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Dennis J. Kim" Subject: Retainer? I was looking at the liz phair photos on www.popfolio.com, and i noticed that liz phair seems to be wearing a retainer or something like that. You can see a wire going across her top teeth. weird. dennis d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: B Subject: Re: support-system-digest V3 #24 the first liz song i remember liking...hmmm... i like this question because it recalls good memories of, like, five summers ago. :) the first liz song i remember hearing and being struck by was actually 'canary,' of all things. how strange. i just remember *loving* it and getting the line 'i write with a number two pencil, i work up to my potential' in my head for days. it became, like, my theme lyric practically and i bought eig about a week later. the rest is history... :) bina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:47:22 -0800 From: Shelly Subject: Music/movie industry musings... From: "matthew haywood" Subject: Liz in UK and First time Our friend Matthew overseas asks: "What's the first Liz song you remember liking?" This is an easy one for me...It was 6'1". And the reason is simple. I bought EIG on accident. I listened to it in order. I loved it. And...Mr. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire poses an interesting question: "Is it possible that the same wave could overtake the music scene eventually? " One could only wish? That's such an interesting question. Society is such a strange bird at times...I wish I knew the answer, but isn't the largest portion of music buyers in somewhere like the 14-19 age demographic? It's hard to put a finger on something like this...when three of the four movies you listed I believe were rated "R" (I'm not sure about Magnolia...), so therefore it's not appealing to the same age group of consumers as with the music industry. I'm finding it interesting to see the emergence in popularity in more artsy, almost abstract turn the movie industry is taking. I thought that American Beauty was the best movie I'd seen in a very long time. But, then again, the huge action flick names, to my knowledge didn't release any action genre flicks. For example, Bruce Willis with Sixth Sense--which had huge box office and critical success. Arnold-The Epitomy of Action Flix-Schwarzenegger (?) released End of Days--which didn't have much success at all. (Maybe people were so freakin' sick of all the Y2K madness they didn't buy into the storyline--or didn't want to?) So, that sort of blows my theory. Then there was The Matrix...a more "cerebral" action movie, which gave audiences that odd, what-the-hell's-going-on feeling, that I for one love. Did you happen to see "Fight Club"? F'd up, but interesting nonetheless. *shrug* Whereas music, on the other hand, seems to move in waves of genres--the Kid Rock/Limp Bizkit/Korn (and I do hate lumping them all together in one big stereotypical grouping), the everpopular sexy Teen Girl/Vamp and Boy Bands, and the Chick Rock wave of Lilith Fair travellers. I dunno...kids buy the damndest things. They want to be originals, yet they also want to belong and fit in with their peers--so one day they buy Kid Rock, a month later they don't like it anymore and pick up the new Metallica CD. I remember, I was a kid once. *hee hee hee* What else would have perpetuated me to buy a Debbie Gibson cassette? Okay, I'm done rambling... ~gunshy~ Shelly NP: "Dawn of the Dead"--a Grateful Dead hourlong program featuring live show tracks on KGON radio station out of Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: end of pop again Perhaps I was misunderstood. I wasn't so much saying that biggest money makers were the artsy films, but in the past, films like American Beauty and Blair Witch Project wouldn't have been as widely distributed as they were. And, yes, every year has its big 'ole flop. However, what I'm saying is that there seems to be a definate shift in the type of movies that are hitting it big. Of course Star Wars is going to hit it big, anything with the name Star Wars on it is going to draw in billions regardless of whether it's a toothpick or a bootleg video. Think of the list of movies: Eyes Wide Shut, Blair Witch, Man on the Moon, American Beauty, Magnolia, Being John Malkovich, Straight Story, etc. This past year has had a great list of movies to go see that don't generate a "Huh? Never heard of it..." from the pop culture MTV kids. Maybe it's a definate shift, maybe it's a lark, regardless, it's still pure speculation and should in no way be taken on any factual basis. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire vist my web page: http://www2.gvsu.edu/~kanaryj "Don't go mistakin' paradise for that home across the road." -Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 00 15:04:20 MST From: blanche ligne Subject: question besides i´m testing. is that true? that liz posted a msg in a mailing list (maybe this one)? btw hello to all, i´m new in this mailing list. moulinex * ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: Re: question So who is working on that FAQ TMK NP: Public Enemy, _Fear of a Black Planet_ On 30 Jan 00 15:04:20 MST, blanche ligne wrote: besides i´m testing. is that true? that liz posted a msg in a mailing list (maybe this one)? btw hello to all, i´m new in this mailing list. moulinex * ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Look around Do you see anyone for themselves Like you see yourself? So why do you still feel so all alone? - -ECP _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: re: first song you liked Mine was the first one I heard - 6'1" Bought the album on the good press. Started playing the first track and haven't gotten over it yet... I guess it's a familiar story... paige- ===== "And so, for the sake of momentum I'm condemning the future to death so it can match the past." - --Aimee Mann, "Momentum" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:16:51 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: First Liz Song I Liked First album I heard was "Whipsmart". I borrowed it from a friend, and right away I put it in. I listened to "Chopsticks" and thought to myself, "This girl's a genius." From there, I was addicted. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire vist my web page: http://www2.gvsu.edu/~kanaryj "Don't go mistakin' paradise for that home across the road." -Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:16:38 GMT From: "mesmer izing" Subject: no one can catch my humor. . .? I wrote: > >aimee made the tv of millions though. she's a sell-out i > >guess. that's what they say about anyone who has more than > > >8 songs for the soundtrack of a paul thomas anderson film. > >how can people endorse a singer who does this? > >then jase wrote: > >How the heck is Aimee a sell-out for being on TV because > >she was nominated for an award? She had no control over >the >nomination process; she just happened to be looked >upon >favorably by the nomination board. > > >Also, how is she a sell-out for having so many songs on a > >soundtrack? She was collaborating with Paul Thomas >Anderson >on a project at his request, and he ultimately >decided what >would and wouldn't make the cut, how many >songs would be >used. It's not like the music itself was >compromised in any >way; Aimee in no way compromised her >integrity. > >damn, tell me I'm not the only one who caught the sarcasm >in nathan's post. I think someone is getting just a little >bit defensive with all these combative posts going around. thank you jake. i'm glad someone caught what i thought was obvious sarcasm. on the light of the sell out topic. sigh. i'm terribly offended that jase did not notice. i did say aimee should have won before i ranted did i not. stop suppressing me with you communist ways or i will have to stop buying your soup. on the same self absorbed melodramatic note. i'm glad you remember every little thing i posted about from 6 months ago. it makes me feel loved. SS is for family. that what the initials stand for my friends. now you can all go home. by the way i have no negative feelings against jase and i didn't try to make myself evil. not that time. my and the other powerpuff girls will blast all. hello magdalene if you are still alive. oh and thanks to this list i was turned on to aimme mann and love her inside and out. i was pissed last night cuz i tryed to find whatever but i couldn't. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V3 #25 ***********************************