From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #390 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, January 7 2000 Volume 02 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dot [Momus ] Re Beck and Beth [Annie ] I need something new [jgay@nhpri.org] juvenilia ["Morrise, Jason" ] Juvenilia [MAILER-DAEMON ] Re: I need something new [Miz Phair ] no way ["Dana Polachowski" ] Lyrics to Love/Hate Transmission [KT072180@aol.com] Re: I need something new [madLucas ] Diva ["Julia Grella" ] Re: I need something new [Laurel Ann Ullman ] Re: no way [Laurel Ann Ullman ] Re:I need something new [Nelsewhere@aol.com] 90 bucks for eBay? c'mon now... [JLD4125269@aol.com] Torn on Howard Stern ["Michael Carapella" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:15:07 -0800 From: Momus Subject: dot >I read a short article about Dot Allison in the Dec. >issue of the Mojo mag last nite. For some strange >reason, I was associating Dot with Liz. Anyone listen >to her? Someone must have mentioned her on this list >and I'm thinking about giving her a try. ...dot allison is the remnant of a great and gone band that called themselves 'one dove' and was one of the great groups of the decade past...dot allison lives up to her past with the release of her first solo venture 'afterglow'...a haunting blend of trance-like tunes mingled with a bit of dance groove stuff...sounds like shit, i know, but trust me...or don't...not the least bit liz like though so don't expect it or you will be very disappointed. this has been a public service announcement of The MrE Network, a wholly owned subsidiary of Manson Family Productions. MrE - -- "He hates these cans!" - Navin R. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Annie Subject: Re Beck and Beth > are beck & beth touring elsewhere together, or just > montreal? I don't know about his other dates, but Beth is opening from him in Boston also...I don't know anything else about the tour, as I am getting this info second hand (from the Beth Orton mailing list). Annie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:42:43 -0500 From: jgay@nhpri.org Subject: I need something new Ok, so its the year 2000, and I am ready to throw out all my CDs (except for Liz and Juliana Hatfield) and start all over again. I went to the CD store the other day, and instead of something DIFFERENT, I ended up with another Throwing Muses CD (which was great, but not the new avenue I was hoping for). So, give me some ideas guys and gals. Please, I am desperate for help. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:25:09 -0600 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: juvenilia just thought that I would post to say that if anyone cannot find a copy of juvenilia that I can pick one up for them. I know I have seen it around town off and on. jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: Juvenilia Juvenilia is out of stock? I see it all over the place, personally. Granted, there's usually only one or two copies in the CD stores I go to, but every CD store usually has it. But, if it is out of stock, maybe I just live in areas not too saturated with Liz fans. Or, maybe I'm just lucky. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire vist my web page: http://www2.gvsu.edu/~kanaryj "Don't go mistakin' paradise for that home across the road." -Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: Re: I need something new - --- jgay@nhpri.org wrote: > Ok, so its the year 2000, and I am ready to throw > out all my CDs (except for Liz > and Juliana Hatfield) and start all over again. I > went to the CD store the > other day, and instead of something DIFFERENT, I > ended up with another Throwing > Muses CD (which was great, but not the new avenue I > was hoping for). So, give > me some ideas guys and gals. Please, I am desperate > for help. > I totally understand. I feel the same way right now. I tried to get into Beck after loving the new CD, but I don't really like the older stuff as much. Have you tried Holly McNarland? She's got an EP - Sour Pie, a complete CD, Stuff, and a live one, Live Stuff. They're all amazing and HIGHLY recommended. Too bad she has less stuff than Liz so far! paige- ===== "I'm not a floatable to keep you from going under..." - --Liz Phair, "Go, Speed Racer" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:04:40 -0800 From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: no way this is off-topic and maybe too long/boring.... skip if you're not interested in film critique. ALSO: i discuss plot, so if you don't wanna "know what happens" then SKIP THIS. > I think that Matt Damon did a > great job with his role! If you read anything about him, or about his choice > for this movie, you will find that he was hesitant about accepting the role > BECAUSE of the gay character. He felt unsure about how it would come over, > not only with the audience, but on film. He wanted it to look genuine. that's **exactly** what i'm talkin' about. the emphasis should NOT be on whether matt (or anyone) can pull off a gay character. the fact that the character is gay should bring in the issues of *being gay in the late '50s* and all the social implications there--because it was indeed *dangerous* to be gay then. if anyone pointed the finger, you went to JAIL first and then you were socially exiled. except, of course, if you were really rich.... so, playing "gay" should *not* have been matt's big acting challenge there. i mean, PLEASE. what we *should* have been seeing with tom ripley is this: the class difference, the exposure to the high life, would have shattered his mind. he was an intelligent, cultured esthete; he just didn't have any money (can you relate?). then here he is among people who have the luxury of *hating* their wealth (!!!). and, as if that wasn't enough, there's dickie, whose very *existence* shatters his soul. thus the central issue of tom ripley is how he uses his "talent" to cover up his shattering mind and soul. isn't that more true than "gee, am i showing the right amount of gayness here?" the "mishap" on the boat turns him into a criminal--but, hey, whose fault was it? at that point, we're still sorta on ripley's side. but then he *chooses* to pursue this grand life. again, we should be seeing how he relies on the only resource he has to somehow pull this all off. we should be seeing tension, regret, madness being delicately held together by a quickly disintegrating mask and quirks of fate. instead, we got matt playin' it all coy, like some tittering rube from nebraska who turns to systematic murder that--oh geez--makes him sorta sad at the end. YUK!!! also, when you've got minor characters chewing scenes out from under the lead, you've got problems.... matt was great in "dogma" but he was in WAY over his head on this one. if he coulda pulled it off, it would've been a coup de grace and he knew it. it's a consummate actor's part, challenging in the extreme. but he just doesn't have it. what he *does* have is career savvy. dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:29:29 EST From: KT072180@aol.com Subject: Lyrics to Love/Hate Transmission Does anyone have the lyrics to the song "Love/Hate Transmission"? Is there a website one could point me to that has them listed? xo katie (lurker) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 01:40:15 +0300 From: madLucas Subject: Re: I need something new jgay@nhpri.org wrote: > > Ok, so its the year 2000, and I am ready to throw out all my CDs (except for Liz > and Juliana Hatfield) and start all over again. I went to the CD store the > other day, and instead of something DIFFERENT, I ended up with another Throwing > Muses CD (which was great, but not the new avenue I was hoping for). So, give > me some ideas guys and gals. Please, I am desperate for help. hello get more throwing muses then some more throwing muses then maybe you should try kristin hersh or lakuna - dave narcizo's band and only if that wouldn't help - go buy sleater-kinney. do that if you want to have one band to listen to in any kind of mood. beacuse you will forget everything else as soon as you have "the hot rock". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:58:25 PST From: "Julia Grella" Subject: Diva >julia: you made a comment about being "all about being a diva" or >something. maybe you can answer a question for me...i know the term 'diva' >is one of respect in opera circles, signifying one who has achieved a >certain level. does it bother *true* divas that the term 'diva' is thrown >around so loosely and applied to the likes of celine, mariah and elton? Ya know, "diva" means goddess in Italian, and I think in the fifties and sixties, when there were great, amazing artist/singers like Maria Callas and Renata Tebaldi around, people used the word more sincerely. Now it refers more to a certain fierce or bitchy kind of attitude, which has a lot in common with the way it's used about pop singers. Also, in opera, diva-worship is a very gay thing, and I think a lot of pop culture has taken certain terms ways of thinking from gay culture, including the idea of "diva." I don't think of myself as a diva, so it doesn't bother me how people use the term . . . people can say what they like. I just wish that opera wasn't so elitist and that it was more in the mainstream . . . Jessica . . . . hang in there. love Julia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: Laurel Ann Ullman Subject: Re: I need something new On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 jgay@nhpri.org wrote: > Ok, so its the year 2000, and I am ready to throw out all my CDs (except for Liz > and Juliana Hatfield) and start all over again. I went to the CD store the > other day, and instead of something DIFFERENT, I ended up with another Throwing > Muses CD (which was great, but not the new avenue I was hoping for). So, give > me some ideas guys and gals. Please, I am desperate for help. > > Jeff > > Hi there. Laurel here-mostly a watcher and reader and occasional new poster. Anyway, new avenues? Hmmmm....How about (don't laugh) some rap? I saw the Roots when they opened for Beck in '97 and they were great. THey actually play their own intsruments, too. Their new album Things Fall Apart, a nod to a wonderful novel by Chinua Achebe (everyone go out and read it right now!) Ahem, is wonderful. Nerd-boy rock piano bliss is born in Ben Folds Five-any album by them is a good choice, and Cibo Matto have a beautiful, original sound. Fiona Apple's new CD is also very good. Enjoy! Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: Laurel Ann Ullman Subject: Re: no way On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Dana Polachowski wrote: > this is off-topic and maybe too long/boring.... skip if you're not > interested in film critique. ALSO: i discuss plot, so if you don't wanna > "know what happens" then SKIP THIS. > > > I think that Matt Damon did a > > great job with his role! If you read anything about him, or about his > choice > > for this movie, you will find that he was hesitant about accepting the > role > > BECAUSE of the gay character. He felt unsure about how it would come > over, > > not only with the audience, but on film. He wanted it to look genuine. > > that's **exactly** what i'm talkin' about. the emphasis should NOT be on > whether matt (or anyone) can pull off a gay character. the fact that the > character is gay should bring in the issues of *being gay in the late '50s* > and all the social implications there--because it was indeed *dangerous* to > be gay then. if anyone pointed the finger, you went to JAIL first and then > you were socially exiled. except, of course, if you were really rich.... > so, playing "gay" should *not* have been matt's big acting challenge there. > i mean, PLEASE. > > what we *should* have been seeing with tom ripley is this: the class > difference, the exposure to the high life, would have shattered his mind. he > was an intelligent, cultured esthete; he just didn't have any money (can you > relate?). then here he is among people who have the luxury of *hating* their > wealth (!!!). and, as if that wasn't enough, there's dickie, whose very > *existence* shatters his soul. thus the central issue of tom ripley is how > he uses his "talent" to cover up his shattering mind and soul. isn't that > more true than "gee, am i showing the right amount of gayness here?" > > the "mishap" on the boat turns him into a criminal--but, hey, whose fault > was it? at that point, we're still sorta on ripley's side. but then he > *chooses* to pursue this grand life. again, we should be seeing how he > relies on the only resource he has to somehow pull this all off. we should > be seeing tension, regret, madness being delicately held together by a > quickly disintegrating mask and quirks of fate. instead, we got matt > playin' it all coy, like some tittering rube from nebraska who turns to > systematic murder that--oh geez--makes him sorta sad at the end. YUK!!! > > also, when you've got minor characters chewing scenes out from under the > lead, you've got problems.... > > matt was great in "dogma" but he was in WAY over his head on this one. if he > coulda pulled it off, it would've been a coup de grace and he knew it. it's > a consummate actor's part, challenging in the extreme. but he just doesn't > have it. what he *does* have is career savvy. > > dp > First: I think Matt did a fine job. Second, it was not illegal to be gay in the 1950s-that was about 60 years before then.Everyone thinks they know the "right" way to play a part. As a performance major, this is a frustration for me. No oen can imagine, first of all, how much the director had to do with the interpretation of the role. I cannot tell you how mant times i've had to bite my tongue and do something I thought wasn't great because the director said so. Can't we appreciate Matt for what he's doing and recognize his talent and just acknowledge that his interpretation might be different. Acting is an art, it's not math, and there are no clear-cut "right" answers.:) Laurel> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:38:04 EST From: Nelsewhere@aol.com Subject: Re:I need something new - --part1_47.47844c05.25a6ab8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TORI AMOS!!!!!! BUT TORI AMOS!!!!! She is extremely talented-but nothing like liz! Nick PS-to everyone i owe a copy of what ever i own-sorry, but my aunt passed away 4 days ago-ill get them out hopefully saturday. - --part1_47.47844c05.25a6ab8c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 21:30:20 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 21:30:05 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07140; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id VAA09748; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:26:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id VAA09715 for support-system-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu (root@smtp.iusb.edu [149.161.1.4]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id VAA09711 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ironwood.iusb.edu (IDENT:lullman@ironwood.iusb.edu [149.161.1.2]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09913; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:52 -0500 Received: by ironwood.iusb.edu id VAA30421; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: Laurel Ann Ullman To: jgay@nhpri.org cc: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Re: I need something new In-Reply-To: <8525685E.0050D138.00@email.nhpri.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-support-system@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 jgay@nhpri.org wrote: > Ok, so its the year 2000, and I am ready to throw out all my CDs (except for Liz > and Juliana Hatfield) and start all over again. I went to the CD store the > other day, and instead of something DIFFERENT, I ended up with another Throwing > Muses CD (which was great, but not the new avenue I was hoping for). So, give > me some ideas guys and gals. Please, I am desperate for help. > > Jeff > > Hi there. Laurel here-mostly a watcher and reader and occasional new poster. Anyway, new avenues? Hmmmm....How about (don't laugh) some rap? I saw the Roots when they opened for Beck in '97 and they were great. THey actually play their own intsruments, too. Their new album Things Fall Apart, a nod to a wonderful novel by Chinua Achebe (everyone go out and read it right now!) Ahem, is wonderful. Nerd-boy rock piano bliss is born in Ben Folds Five-any album by them is a good choice, and Cibo Matto have a beautiful, original sound. Fiona Apple's new CD is also very good. Enjoy! Laurel - --part1_47.47844c05.25a6ab8c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:58:24 EST From: JLD4125269@aol.com Subject: 90 bucks for eBay? c'mon now... I know we've beaten the eBay debate to death, but here's one more... >Description > >If you're into Liz Phair, check out this compilation CD - with lots of new stuff AND >older stuff. Tracks include Greased Lightning, Russian Girl, Don't Apologize, Blood >Keeper, Conversation Overheard Between Two Bouncers, Firewalker, Hurricane >Cindy, Wild Thing, Carnivore, Oh My God, If I Ever Pay You Back, Wasted, I'll Get >You High, You Have No Idea,Sometimes a Dream, Hello Sailor, Tell Me You Like >Me, White Bird of Texas, Stuck on an Island, Bars of the Bed, All Right Now, Baby >Got Going (alternate version) and Wesley Willis's "Liz Phair." Some versions are >live, some are studio, some are demos. Email me with questions! Payment is by >money order ONLY. Shipping to U.S. is $3.55 for priority delivery confirmation. Will >also ship to Canada, but not otherwise internationally. Payment due within two >weeks of auction's end or negative feedback will be left. Thanks for looking and >bidding! > >Bidding > >Liz Phair Phair Enough compilation CD! Hot!! (Item #231309426) > >Current bid $86.00 >Bid increment $1.00 >Minimum bid $87.00 and GS is going for $61 (so far).... Sure, I'd love to have a copy of Firewalker and Don't Apologize on tape too, but $90? I guess I'll just have to continue on in my deprived existence... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:53:51 -0800 From: "Michael Carapella" Subject: Torn on Howard Stern I'm copying in a few people on this note to the Liz Phair mailing list. The original version of Torn by Ednaswap was recently included on a mix tape given to Howard Stern. Another person on this list had kindly given us a link to this and now you can also download the mp3 from www.annetenna.com (Annetenna is the name of the band that has risen from the ashes of Ednaswap and includes the same singer, Anne, and her boyfriend/guitarist/co-writer Scott.) Howard thought this was the greatest thing since sliced bread and played it throughout his show on Wednesday and had Anne and Scott on to play it live on Thursday. You can probably still pick up Wonderland Park by Ednaswap and I can assure you that you won't be disappointed. (Jason, add it to the list.) I don't necessarily value Howard's opinion on anything, but he's dead on here. I'm planning on going to the Dragonfly show on the 18th and I'd like to meet up with anyone from LA on this list. E-mail me privately if you're interested. Meanwhile, check out anything you can find from Ednaswap until Annetenna gets their new CD out (maybe summer?) - -Michael __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #390 ************************************