From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #387 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, January 5 2000 Volume 02 : Number 387 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Beck and Beth on tour [Annie ] Opera - Skip if you're not interested [moe@lac2.gulliver.fr] liz's post date ["Morrise, Jason" ] Re: Hendrix and Morrison [Gabriel Peterson ] Re: opera [Meredith Anne Robbins ] her influences [RocketBoyD@aol.com] Liz at Sega World [AMCFLND1@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #385 [Peter Washington ] Gilbert and Sullivan ["Julia Grella" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Annie Subject: Beck and Beth on tour In case anyone is interested, I just read that Beth Orton is opening for Beck on Feb 9 in Montreal. Speaking of tours and such, does anyone know if Liz has ever performed in Australia (if so, off i go to kill myself...), or whether she plans to. Annie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:49:07 +0100 From: moe@lac2.gulliver.fr Subject: Opera - Skip if you're not interested Julia: >Moe, how cool that you are a Wagnerian . . . the real stuff. The real stuff? Is there some classification with composers? Like some are considered more "serious" and some "lighter"? Like for example people who differentiate between some rock bands and some pop bands? I like reading your words about opera a lot because although I listen to some, I am a complete ignorant about what's going on "behind the scenes" so it's great to have some input from a professional like you. >Yes, opera is an acquired taste. It doesn't have the immediate effect of >popular music and it's not part of our culture (anymore). I also think that what's great about it is that it tells a story, it is to pop or rock songs what novels are to short stories. But today everything is supposed to go fast, jeez songs are formatted under 4 minutes or else they cannot expect heavy rotation on radios. :/ Moe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:58:16 -0600 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: liz's post date in ssd #386, lynda suggested: >if someone can just tell us what date liz posted we can all >go to www.smoe.org and check it out in the archives. no >need to post her actual post 8 billion glorious times... well, lynda, not to be an ass (maybe you didn't read yesterday's digest before posting), but I did tell you the date... in ssd #385, jake informed: >and that is that. it's from ssd #327 on nov 6, 1999 for >those who are curious. also, one more thing about 'liz phair, a rant' because I saw that someone was talking about picking it back up again with all the talk about it. I found it to be jumbled and rambling for the first half or so, but it does pick up and begin to make more sense as you get further along, so I would say not to be discouraged. besides, it isn't that long a book anyway. and yes, it is a complete work of fiction, but there are just enough facts to make his plot seem plausible. and for some reason, I noticed the dog at the end of mesmerizing for the first time ever this morning. I know there was a lot talk about that stuff before, but I never remembered to go listen for it. and to think I have listened to that album in excess of four hundred times... jake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Peterson Subject: Re: Hendrix and Morrison To Craig: > One of my favorite Hendrix shows was when > Jim Morrison was in the audience and came up on > stage > to sing with him. I think Morrison was drunk, but > it > was still cool to hear two of the greatest musicians > of all, time on stage at one time. You 'think' Morrison was drunk? Granted it's been about six years since I heard this bootlegg but I remember Hendrix having to remind a completely trashed Morrison to use the microphone while Morrison just rattled off obscenities. I was quite disappointed because of the potential on that stage compared to what was actually produced. This post looks a lot more negative than I meant for it to be. It was just that I heard this recording with the pretense of "Hendrix and Morrison" so I had gotten my hopes up very high only to have them come crashing down. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: Meredith Anne Robbins Subject: Re: opera On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Gabriel Peterson wrote: > So all of these descriptions don't quite cut it for > the opera that I dig: Gilbert and Sullivan! > > So where do they stand within the Opera scene? Are > they like Monty Python compared to most British > television or are they like Backstreet Boys compared > to other British rock? I'm no expert (I bet that a real expert has already answered this question, actually), but I do believe that Gilbert and Sullivan's works are considered operettas, rather than operas. Of course, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, an operetta is a *type* of opera ("a short opera, usually of light and humorous character"), which means that what I just said is technically wrong. But, oh well. ObLiz: Hmmmm. I met Steve Kisko -- he's Liz content, isn't he? Yeah. Meredith - -- "Rabbis are very symbolic of snuggling." -Ariel "That's not a typo" Acosta http://www.eclectricity.org http://www.exileinnetville.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:39:45 EST From: RocketBoyD@aol.com Subject: her influences This is just a little observation. It seemed during the WSCE era that Liz was definitely suffering from a bite of the Lennon/McCartney influence. This is not to say that that was a bad thing. But their influence was definitely visible in songs like "fantasize" - apparently an ode to the Beatles' "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away", "uncle alvarez" - a nod to Paul McCartney's solo work "Uncle Albert", the psychedelic trippiness of "Whitechocolatespacegg" influenced by the Sgt.Pepper album, and no doubtably the harmonies that make up "Ride", especially the ending, are 100% Lennon influenced. Liz's love of Simon and Garfunkel is also very apparent on the album as well. "Perfect World", "Uncle Alvarez", and "Hurricane Cindy", are definitely tributes to the duo. I think that Liz's tribute to the past and the 60's style of songwriting made WSCE a stronger album for sure. My only worry is that her new album may forget the leaps and yards she made because of that influence, and would be less ambitious in it's scope. Nonetheless, I'm going to love it. I just hope it blows me away in the same way that WSCE did. just blabbering, PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:19:44 EST From: AMCFLND1@aol.com Subject: Liz at Sega World In a message dated 1/4/2000 1:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: << My friend just got back from Sydney and she went to Sega World and she said they played a Liz video there but she doesn't what song it was cause they didn't put the titles + artists on the screens. She said that "car", "America" and "sunshine" were sung a lot in it, I don't know what song she's talking about, so can someone fill me in? Maybe my friend mistook it for being Liz...Sally Maybe Jealousy? "He's got a million dollar car." Sara >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:28:36 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #385 Happy New Year everyone. I just returned from what may, in all seriousness, end up being the most fun I will ever have in my life, so I'm in kind of a good mood. Nevertheless, the subject of my post is mostly about "sniping immaturity," as one person has called it. A couple days ago, MrE wrote: > ...who are you and isn't Martha Stewart anxious when you're away? one > more time boys and girls, you are most certainly entitled to your > opinions and the expression thereof of same, but is not the liz phair > of your affection noted for being just a tad bit irreverent, > unassuming and on occasion somewhat left of mature? i don't know about > ya'll, but i like to mingle with folk of flair just as much as i enjoy > songs by the flairish types...not much for the mariah carey clone > crowd...so, if you want to refer to me as an immature ass, then by all > means do so, but do not be at all surprised when you are asked just > what in hell your prim and proper self is doing listening to > recordings by 'the blow-job queen'...yano, self-importance has it's > place, unfortunately it doesn't usually stay there. Hell yes. I want to see more of this. In response, Allison wrote: > I think it's interesting that people chose to respond to the one > negative thing that I posted about, which was in the PAST > specifically referring to the name calling surrounding the Alanis > Morrisette thing.... By the way, I am so far from "prim and > proper" that it would make your head spin. And self important? Did you > even read the rest of my post or did the bells just start > going off when you started identifying with "the sniping immaturity of > days past" ?? My prediction is that you will respond to this > post with more over-reactive blather, so this prim and proper self > important Martha Stewart admiring Liz Phair lovin' bitch awaits.... Hell yes. I want to see more of this. Fight fire with fire's what I always say. As for the sniping immaturity, being a major contributor I'm all for it. I know it does piss some people off, but I have to wade through a lot of garbage I don't care to read on this list too, so until they start up rec.music.liz-phair.sniping-immaturity, I think we're stuck together. Self-importantly un-self-important, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:37:03 PST From: "Julia Grella" Subject: Gilbert and Sullivan >the opera that I dig: Gilbert and Sullivan! > >So where do they stand within the Opera scene? Are >they like Monty Python compared to most British >television or are they like Backstreet Boys compared >to other British rock? > >Would they get more respect if they had the Mikado >translated into Italian? > G&S are so great, so cool, so funny! I grew up singing along to LP's of their operettas. They were sort of trying to parody the excesses of Italian opera in the 1870's and 1880's, but some of the music Sullivan wrote rivals anything by Verdi in beauty -- like "The sun whose rays" from the Mikado . . . I guess they're strictly a British, middle-brow, comedic phenomenon, high art crossed with low . . . BTW, there's a new movie out about G&S writing the Mikado, called Topsy-Turvy, directed by Mike Leigh -- it's supposed to be great. Julia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:40:00 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Paul Vernisi Subject: stuck on an island Hi everybody, this is my first posting to the list… I have always wondered if anyone knows anything about what compelled Liz to write the song "Stuck on an Island." The lyrics are very interesting. If anyone knows, thanks. P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:41:51 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Fumblbee23@aol.com Subject: *happy new year hey, i just wanted to wish everyone a wonderful new millenium :) i hope you all stay safe and have a great time wherever you may be .... - --nicole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:44:08 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "lisa a" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #382 Hey! New to the list-glad to join up... Does anyone (or everyone) have a copy of Ms. Liz's posting that I keep hearing mentioned? happy new year... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:59:39 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: the ambitous mr. damon >in response to the responses to my post about 'talented mr. ripley.' >I didn't hate the film, and I too wanted to like it..... the fault lies mostly with the director for not choosing a good "mr. ripley." i think the only thing matt damon understood about his character was how playing a (psychopathic/charming/repressed [due to the times]) gay guy would be great for his career. i could go on and on about what he didn't get about that character, but i won't.... i could see paul rudd doing a really good job, or jay mohr. edward norton, of course. the other performances in the film were sublime. anyway, yeah, i wonder if liz knows about that book. it must be weird to have yourself and your life made into a plot theme.... i remember a quote i just read by her: "the objectification of your person is so strange. you become the 'right pair of shoes.'" or something like that... that's basically what she said. tah! dp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:07:31 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: odonnell Subject: aimee mann @ the TLA Jase wrote: > I'm going to try to get to the show in Philadelphia if I'm able to. Is > anyone else considering going? I am definately going to be there. I go to school in Philadelphia so I missed Aimee when she played the TLA this past summer. Consequently, I was very excited to hear about this upcoming show. I would definately be interested in meeting up with any listers who are going to the show. Email me privately. siobhany22@yahoo.com Happy Holidays to all ~siobhan ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #387 ************************************