From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #367 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, December 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 367 Today's Subjects: ----------------- completely void of liz content. [Nach1120@aol.com] Replies [Peter Washington ] avast ye maties ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] best ten albums of the decade... ["Alice Hartzog" ] Top 10 of the Decade [MAILER-DAEMON ] wishing i was wassailing... [valerieb@mindspring.com] Happy Holidays everyone.... [Easter ] my, aren't WE touchy [Norman Davis ] Vote Liz and ... Beck? [Miz Phair ] [none] ["F N" ] Girly Sound [Jessica1129@aol.com] foreploy [jake ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:06:53 EST From: Nach1120@aol.com Subject: completely void of liz content. << >they would also play Letters to Cleo's Here and Now, which I also >liked a lot........ ...ya know, i can't remember how that song goes for the life of me... >> well, then, here ya go: The comfort of a knowledge of a rise above the sky above could never parallel the challenge of an acquisition in the here and now. For the life of me, i can never say all of it at the exact right time. my favorite 2 new CD's that i have just borrowed: The Disney Classics Cd's volume 1 and 2. i think these are the greatest CD's ever put together. next to liz of course. one more thing, as bad as Ebay is about selling liz stuff for god awful prices, i dont mind it now. i just bought my farorite book(Memnoch the Devil, Anne Rice), hardcover at that, for 5.00 including shipping. anyone who is a big reader may want to look into that. Christine "here goes, better throw my hand in, wish me happy landin' all i gotta do is jumpppp....!" ~Aladdin ps. good luck to any one the students one the list that has to take finals anytime soon. pps ,are there any teachers on the list? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:36:40 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Replies Well I think I damn near made the most-quoted team for yesterday. And I'm not sure, but I think I pissed a couple people off. Which is after all what it's all about. Jennifer wrote: > Peter - You are such a sweet boy! Too bad we all can't be as perfect > and as clever as you... and then quoted my whole post from yesterday. Which means my clever perfection got to appear twice. In case you missed it the first time. Thanks Jen. Robert, who questioned my choice of quotations, wrote: > gee, thanks there pete. better to waste my time by > quoting these two gems. "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." --Bertrand Russell. How's that for a gem? Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International Dam and Dictionary: dvandva: (n) a class of compound words having two immediate constituents that are equal in rank and related to each other as if joined by and; a compound word belonging to this class (as bittersweet, secretary-treasurer, sociopolitical). Also, what is likely to be the final installment in the vastly underappreciated fake word of the day segment: karmageddon: (n) it's like, ya know, when there's all these bad vibes around, ya know, and everything kinda comes back on everyone and the world pretty much ends and it's a real bummer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:04:35 PST From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: avast ye maties sally replied: >blaming LB for that is ludicrous. why not blame the woodstock organizers> >>Yeah, well they're to blame too. They should have hired more security and security that can be trusted not ones that RAPE people. I meant LB created an environment for it because their concerts would have big mosh pits. I mean do you think the rape would have gone unnoticed if it happened when Jewel or Sheryl Crow were playing?? Point taken. It probably wouldn't have happened. Shelly and Val confessed: >And just plain giggling over DarkSide oftheMoon's entire post. Yes, we're glad you're back. >welcome back to my favorite smartass, dsotm... Thank you my dears...glad to be back.... Jason wondered as I did (in reference to Limp Bizkit's name): >uh, does it take a really disturbed mind to take a wild guess? I'd say >they are definitely referring to those soggy buscuits at the local diner. well...it's why they are so soggy that is *so* interesting....and if i ever saw THAT happening at a Diner i wouldn't order the egg drop soup! valerie answered: >What is the title of the song the contains "Tidings of comfort and >joy"? >>...i think its called "here we come a'wassailing"...i assume a 'wassail' >>is a christmas carol? hmmm....consult the 'book'....wassail: "a festivity characterized by too much drinking" I always thought it was used like drunken sea-faring talk....'arrr mates, let's go wassail!" val again; >chuckling to myself about all the discussion of the 'manila envelope' title >(and yes, i sniffed fresh 'dittos' too!) that explains *alot* :) umm..isn't 'dittos' Austrailian for 'roo shit'? >off to serve The Man (and don't you wish you were him?)... ummm...as a matter of fact.... Jase said (again) >First of all, everyone who subscribes to this list receives a welcome message that states that we are not an exclusively on-topic list. And hey, it beats having me respond to you like this. ;) and us having to read it! dan hiccupped: >Nicole! I'm soo shocked! Didn't like the Matrix? I was totally ready to >hate this movie..but I ended up loving it. I was really impressed...if nothing else, it DOES make me wonder what the hell De JaVous really is.(shit.. Day-JA-VOUS?? how do you spell that?) God..i know how to spell it, I'm just having a brain freeze right now... Dan.....find your C, S, N & Y album...you know the one with the brown 'leather' like cover ....Deja Vu.... Jase had to say: >Funny also how you recall the Tori Amos discussions when you haven't even been on the list for very long. As the list maintainer, it's very easy for me to get a list of everyone who's subscribed to the list. The list is in chronological order and you're rather close to the bottom. Hmmm. you had to say that didn't you....now we *all* want to know where we are chron-wise! The wonderful Ken Lee proclaims: >Update regarding the wcse sessions project: As of December 13, I have filled everyone's request for copies! I am officially caught up! YAY! I think we all again, owe a great debt of thanks to Ken for our CD's...let's hear it for Ken! pardon me while i burst into flames DarkSide oftheMoon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:26:09 -0500 From: "Alice Hartzog" Subject: best ten albums of the decade... here's mine (in no particular order, really, they're all fab) 1. Exile in Guyville 2. In Search of Manny---Luscious Jackson 3. Dry---P.J. Harvey 4. Whatever and Ever Amen--Ben Folds Five 5. Fumbling Towards Ecstasy---Sarah McLachlan (yeah, v. cliched, but it's her best and one of THE best and i don't even own it!! well i did but i lost it on a road trip and NO i didn't lose it in a poker game but anyway) 6. Not A Pretty Girl--Ani diFranco 7. Icky Mettle---Archers of Loaf 8. Honey Lingers---Voice of the Beehive 9. Hey Babe--Juliana Hatfield 10. Mary Lou Lord's first album (isn't it self-titled? dangitall i lost the jewel case) and that's it.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: first impressions >>and what I was wondering is if you were hooked on liz the first time you heard one of her songs. and what about the opposite, when you think the first song you hear is great, and it turns out the rest of the album sucks? I guess all I'm getting at is that maybe people in general should give artists more than one listen before condemning them.<< I agree totally. For me, an albums single usually turns out to be one of my least favorite songs on the album. I don't know exactly why, but it just usually works out that way. I have to admit I wasn't exactly hooked on Liz the first time I heard her. I mean I first heard "Supernova" in 1994 and it took me 4 damn years to buy Whip-Smart! Once I finally got WS, Exile, and WCSE it took me at least a few weeks to truly realize the brilliance of Liz. Liz is someone who you really have to LISTEN to. You can't just throw on one of her albums in the background while your doing something else and expect to 'get it'. I think that when some people hear Liz for the first time all they hear is her voice and say 'man, this is crap', or 'she couldn't sing to save her life' or something to that effect. They don't look at the whole picture and just focus on one aspect that they don't like and never give her a chance. It's not just Liz either. It's like that with alot of other artists. That's why I always try to give an artist more than a few chances. You never know what you might be missing if you dismiss an artist as crap without really giving them a chance. Craig "AdRock" NP: Anthrax - Volume 8 ****************************************************** Earthquakes are to a girl's guitar They're just another good vibration - Red Hot Chili Peppers_Californication ****************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: Top 10 of the Decade I felt the need to list my top 10 albums of the decade, since I don't see my music choices appearing much in this list: 1. Bob Dylan "Time Out of Mind" 2. Liz Phair "Whip-Smart" 3. Bob Dylan "Bootleg Series vol. 4 - Live at 'Royal Albert Hall'" 4. Eric Clapton "Unplugged" 5. Liz Phair "whitechocolatespaceegg" 6. Neurotic Outsiders 7. Woody Guthrie "Moses Asch Recordings" 8. Fiona Apple "When The Pawn..." 9. Pearl Jam "10" 10. Guns 'N Roses "Use Your Illusions" I'm not sure how much slack I'm going to get for this, but hopefully it's understandable. It was hard picking albums, being that most of the music I listened to in the '90s wasn't from the '90s. And what I did like was pretty much all on the same level. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire vist my web page: http://www2.gvsu.edu/~kanaryj "As long as possible live free and uncommitted. It makes but little difference whether you are committed to a farm or the county jail." -Henry David Thoreau ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:09:26 -0500 From: valerieb@mindspring.com Subject: wishing i was wassailing... Otto3 The Red reads my posts! >...hell...i thought i was ... ...watch it, otto3... >wassail? ...you made this up, right? ...wassail...almost as bad as my feeble attempt to make sense... ...just becasue the 'manila envelope' thing came from my desk, doesn't mean i use that method whenever i'm at a loss for words (red handled scissors). to make sure i wasn't crazy, i consulted webster: turns out it originated from 13th & 14th century middle english and old norse words meaning things like "be well" "was whole." noun definitions include: 1 : an early English toast to someone's health 2 : a hot drink that is made with wine, beer, or cider, spices, sugar, and usually baked apples and is traditionally served in a large bowl especially at Christmastime 3 : riotous drinking : REVELRY and, the verbing portion: 1 : to indulge in wassail : CAROUSE 2 dialect English : to sing carols from house to house at Christmas transitive senses : to drink to the health or thriving of sounds like fun! and, for those of you that like to skew surveys, go to www.99x.com and vote for Exile in Guyville as one of the top albums of the 1990s. it only takes a second! you can't sign up to win the car unless you live in georgia, but i would get sincere pleasure out of 99X playing selections from EIG when they *never* give liz any regular airplay! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Easter Subject: Happy Holidays everyone.... http://musicmark.webjump.com/ What's so great about that address? It's where you can hear "Hello Stranger" and a better version of "Love Hate Transmission" - two songs Liz performed during Lilith this summer. I recommend hearing the second version of LHT Mark has uploaded to his site, a chance to hear Liz doing some opera(!) Enjoy everyone! It's my holiday gift for all, it was a long, hard search to find this CD. Thanks to Mark Schmidt for uploading it onto his site. Katie ();) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "As long as no one asks no questions, I got the message. -Stone Temple Pilots. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:56:12 -0700 From: Norman Davis Subject: my, aren't WE touchy Must be something in the water. On my other list all they're doing is bashing Celine Dion and Sheryl Crow. Since I like to agitate, I thought I'd join the fun. A sci-fi writer came up with what is called Sturgeon's Law. 90 per cent of everything is crap. You may not like Spitney Beers, but you're not going to avoid her. You can argue all day that my band is better than yours, but what does that do for anyone? On other fronts, having seen both, I think "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut" is far more subversive than "Dogma". I still find myself singing "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" and the thought of Winona Ryder shooting ping-pong balls out of herself onstage you have to admit is hilarious. Later, Norman - ------- Was I good for you? Was I what you wanted me to be? Controversy - --- 0/+> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: Vote Liz and ... Beck? EIG is getting royally killed in the Rolling Stone century poll competition. Will you take a minute to cast a vote for her? http://rollingstone.tunes.com/centurypoll One of the best things I did this year was take Support advice and get the new Beck album. I totally love it! Into my top five, nah three, of the year it goes... Does anyone know anything of a Beck mailing list, like this here Liz one or the previously mentioned Aimee Mann one (it had been a few emails since her name was mentioned... :) I'd love to find out more about him by listening to people talk about his work, life, etc... Oh, and he's a good example for me of continuing to give an artist a chance, even if you've not previously liked his/her/their work... p- ===== I'm obsessed, I'm a wreck, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say? Don't you need to feel my blood on the tracks today? - --Liz Phair, "Blood Keeper" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:07:01 EST From: "F N" Subject: [none] Subject: foreploy peter spoke of foreploy. methinks he was reading the december playboy after hours or the washington post. they also mentioned several other words: tatyr - a lecherous mr. potato head osteopornosis - a degenerate disease glibido - all talk and no action jake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #367 ************************************