From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #361 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, December 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- i can't stop posting! [Valerie Barry ] Re: geek love and a rant [Vasant Ramamurthy ] my opinion & other shtuff ["Nicole W." ] the lighter side of the dark...phucit...its just crap and ya know it so why try and dress it up... [] an evening with ... manila envelope ["Sean OBrien" ] An Evening With........................ [Jason Tedford ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:44:02 -0500 From: Valerie Barry Subject: i can't stop posting! craig: sounds like we're cool again...damn the over-analysis! and i never thought you were bashing me. paige: congratulations on the "yeah"! there's a band here in atlanta called kenny howes and the yeah!, but i doubt it has anything to do with 6'1". robert joyner: thanks for that interesting concept album analysis. and it may not be far off the mark...most of us like EIG best, and it is essentially a concept album. liz is a great storyteller in her own right. if she's reading this list, you may have given her a great idea (and maybe we'll even get styx or queen-like backing vocals!). .02: and, i think blaming music or media for peoples' choice to be violent just further negates the concept of responsibility for one's actions, something that is sadly missing in our society. taking my chatty ass to bed... valerie *********************************************************** "...well look at me i'm frightening my friends..." - -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:53:08 -0600 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: geek love and a rant >From: valerieb@mindspring.com >in the "hold on a minute, vasant!" department... >>But, in that case, you're just as guilty as Valerie. >...sorry, i think i missed the part where i'm supposed to feel >"guilty"...care to >enlighten me? damn, share an opinion, and you people >run a damn witch trial. did i >*say* "these bands suck and the station >should be pelted with assorted roadkill and >taken apart, brick by brick"? >NO! and even if i did say that, why would i be "guilty" of >anything? and, >from your signature, i gather you have your own radio show (or you >are >plugging someone else's). do you play only one genre of music every sunday >>from 2-4? probably not, and if you did, people would bitch. obviously, >it's safer to >stick to answering polls and musing about when a new liz >(whaddaya know, liz >content!) album is coming out. Neither Craig nor you are guilty of anything. I meant in the sense that if you were considered "guilty" of ripping the bands that Craig likes, then he was too for doing the same to Britney Spears & the B-Boys. I was basically trying to play devil's advocate. No one should feel guilty about expressing an opinion, so sorry if I implied that. Vasant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: my opinion & other shtuff ... My future MULLET! I usually dont' go to sites that people send me in emails, but I was in need for a laugh so I went to the "}-{ello my future girlfriend" site that was suggested (sorry... passive voice, trying to avoid naming person who wrote to visit this site because I forgot who it was and don't feel like checking). I can't get the audio, but I didn't need it in order to laugh. DAMN this is pretty funny! The question remains... how'd your friend "stumble" upon this site? Anyway, about the milennium thing, if you can stand to hear one more opinion: a) the thing about the year 2000 being a Christian concept anyway, b) isn't the exact year of Christ's birth disputed anyway? c) Yeah, why the fuck are we celebrating 2000 years after Jesus was born? I'm not Christian, I'm avoiding "millenium hype" like it's anthrax, anyway, but I mean... what the fuck? d) We've been around alot longer than 2000 years... I mean not we personally, but Homo sapiens sapiens. e) Baaaaah! f) The only funny thing about the approaching "millenium" is the fact that a bunch of stuff is going to malfunction. It's just so funny that no one foresaw this happening when they were writing the code for stuff oh so long ago. g) If you're gonna celebrate "the new millenium", suck it up and celebrate it on 1/01/00 (not 1/01/01) because duh... we don't START counting at zero, but the next set of #s starts with the zero on the end always... it's just a flaw that we don't start at zero. So the real discrepancy happened 2000 years ago... or 1999 or something (i can't figure out the math), and 2001 is not the beginning of 'the new millenium"... 2000 is. So there. Anthro in 8 hours... uh oh. Sorry about the off topicness, but so it goes. Later, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:48:49 -0800 From: Momus Subject: the lighter side of the dark...phucit...its just crap and ya know it so why try and dress it up... >Just wanted to say thanks for the compliment, >the name's served me well so >far, and I highly recommend it. >Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire ...mind if i use it for awhile? i just changed mine to otto3 the red and i'm not having much luck... >Subject: hey there little sister! ...doncha just love it when you mis-address your mail and someone goes oh so very far out of their way to point it out to you in such a blatant way that causes a lingering complex to deprive you of all joy in life to the point that all you can think about is listening to some metal and maiming some innocent bystanders in a blood soaked frenzy that finalizes itself in your climb to the top of a library tower and opening fire on pedestrians until at last you are brought down by the very rules you sought to enforce...maybe that's just me...i wish my sister was a dr...hell, i don't even have a sister...but dammit, i have a doctor... >Did I say that out loud? ...that mikey...such a good boy. >(Thought MrE would get a chuckle out of that one, ha ha.) ...i am really really really laughing on the inside...maybe that's heartburn? yano mr. washington (if that is your real name), you really outta come on over to the darkside...y2k...really means 'yet 2 kill', yano. >but allow me to add my two buttons ...i understood that the new currency was gonna be those old celine dion discs that everyone has (disclaimer: i will be broke) but nobody admits to. > (Sorry if your name's John.) ...otto3 the red i told ya...john's a guy that just got...nevermind...all johns please forward your hateful responses to: mayors.office@ci.seattle.wa.us >Overtensed, >Peter ...much better than past-tensed...sorry... >limberham: (n) a supple-jointed obsequious person. ...no way...limberham was that other thanksgiving entree...the really overcooked one... >It's very funny that John brings this up, cause I was >about to pop on to offer to burn some CDs for anyone >on the list that needs them for 2:1 or B&P or a flat >fee per disc. ...please please please please please please please don't start this again...please...'cause i've got some alanis news if you do... >Back to our regularly scheduled paranoia, >paige- ...craig has a sister in the medical profession...mental health maybe... please help me...i asked the youngest niece what she wanted for that damned christmess thang coming up only to be told that she wanted something backstreet boyish...i feel so helpless. is there some special thing that you have to know before purchasing a backstreet boy? do they accept credit cards now like the...nevermind. where do you find one and when i do find one, will i be considered a john? mild and unspiced MrE - -- "There is not a more mean, stupid, dastardly, pitiful, selfish, envious, ungrateful animal than the public." William Hazlitt, 1778-1830 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:03:45 -0330 From: "Sean OBrien" Subject: an evening with ... manila envelope browsing the aisles at cdnow.com I found the following titles... An Evening With Roger Whittaker An Evening With Belafonte / Mouskouri An Evening With Max Bygraves - Live An Evening With Kitten An Evening With Marion Lush An Evening With Andrew Lloyd Webber Politically Incorrect - An Evening With Camille Paglia An Accoustic Evening With She's China An Acoustic Evening With Al Stewart searching for albums titled Manila... Manila Tapes - Autoprozessor Manila Nights - Jim Chappell Chants Ep / Manila Mode - Enhanter / Toppless In New York frankly, I *hope* she titles it 'plain manila envelope' (what could be in it? why did they have to cover it up? where can i buy it?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:17:41 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Hello my future Geek Love Heyuz: No Liz stuff here, but oh well... That "Hello My Future Girlfriend" kid is already famous. In fact, there's a LOT of dark ambient and techno songs out there using snippets of the speech...things move FAST. Plus, um, did anyone mention that Geek Love is the title of an incredible novel by Katherine Dunn? It actually made quite a stir in the early 90s when it was released, and I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone who has a taste for the macabre. Tim Burton has optioned the film rights to it, and I hope he'll make it soon. Sorry for redundancies/irrelevancies, Derek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: Re: album title Craig wrote: > I think the title is > kind > of a fill in the blank. It could mean An Evening > With...Liz or with your girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, > husband, ect.... It can mean whatever you want it > to > mean. > > I just heard "Hello Stranger" the other day and I > have > to say it's a great song. When I heard it I felt > like > I was sitting in a Las Vegas lounge. It's just so > mellow and a little jazzy. I really hope it makes > the > final cut for the new album. > > I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to piss > anyone > off with my comments about that one certain subject. > > If I offended anyone, then I am sorry. I was just > stating my opinion. Nothing wrong with a little > friendly discussion. > I agree with your last paragraph. But doesn't your second paragraph sort of contradict the first? From my point of view, that just emphasizes the coolness of the title! And I'm with the "Manila Envelope" fan - the new music could be called "Used Kleenex" for all I care! More friendly discussion... paige- ===== I'm obsessed, I'm a wreck, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say? Don't you need to feel my blood on the tracks today? - --Liz Phair, "Blood Keeper" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tedford Subject: An Evening With........................ I've got to go with Nicole and Craig here. I think too many people are looking at the new album title as "An Evening With Liz Phair," which it is not (or so AP leads us to believe). "An Evening With..." is open ended. It's an evening with whatever the hell you want. I'm looking at "An Evening With..." proper lighting, a good bottle of wine, my dog, and all my friends coming by asking, "What's this great new record you're playing?" With a slight slur and playful grin I will say, "Why it's the new Liz Phair," to which they will reply, "Hey, where are your pants? Better stop smoking those tweeds." Anyway, what I'm saying here is that it's pretty cool if you look at it with the right perspective...although I'd join a lobby for "manilla envelope" or even "vanilla manilla." Ummm... vanilla Liz... In other news...I'm completely into the Magnolia ST. I think it's the best stuff Aimee's done. I even like how I can chill to forty minutes of Aimee and segue right into some old-school supertramp. Biscuits all around!!! Ummm...biscuits... tedford __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:55:59 -0600 From: Sarah Larsen Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #360 Hey, I have never posted before, but I just thought I would take the time to say that this issue of Rolling Stone, where Liz comments on the millenial "hoo-ha" is big fat BUMMER. It is teeny little blurb. What she said was of course intelligent, but my...you think they could of graced her page with a picture of her, but instead they give us George Lucas in a moon-man suit. Ugh...typical of them, I thought. Anyway, I was wondering whether any of y'all might shed some insight on what you consider your most prized bootleg of Liz (based on sound-quality, the degree of stage fright from which she suffers) I am looking for one that is slightly older than her last couple of tours, as that time period holds a great deal of Liz nostalgia for me. And I agree about the new Aimme Mann disk...it's amazing. For those of you who have bought it, don't you think that the oohs in the chorus sound a lot like what you might hear from Liz, I totally thought that and was pleased that someone elsed agreed. Well, William Butler Yeats waits for no one, so.... Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:55:45 PST From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: falling away from me ok fellow liz-ters....after a few months hiatus (ahem) I hath returned to piss you off and make you laugh all in the same posts usually: Valerie replied: >...Ummm...lack of variety and creativity (I actually like all of those >bands/artists, but I like a lot of other things too, and I like them all >less >after hearing them *constantly*) lack of variety and creativity? well I admit that certain (and most actually) bands tend to stick within a certain vein (in the groups in question usually the vein they are shooting up in) and yes even I tire of hearing a song over and over and over again (if I hear 'stained' one more time I'm going to scream). but I for one am liking this creed-korn-kidrock stuff that I've heard so far. maybe being a guitarist it intrigues me more than most non-musician people cuz I hear it then have to figure it out if I want to play it.....me thinks Val doesn't like the metal/rap thing too much do you Val? Craig agreed: >Exactly how is this a bad thing? I would love a radio station that played all of that stuff. well then come to Tampa and listen to 98 Rock cuz baby they've got your number >If you want to bash radio stations, try bashing the ones who play Shittney Spears and the Backseat Boys. I would hope that all of us realize that along with the 'meat & potatoes' of good 'rock' music, we will always have the 'white wonder bread' groups. Greg henry confessed: >Maybe I should let you know my interests: mainly listening to music, >getting drunk and picking up sailors. But I might as well do something fun while skulking in the shadows ok then Gregory, actually we don't want to know what you do in the shadows for fun.... Andrea teased: >e-mail me off list for anyone who wants to know what Limp Bizkit really means. I'd say it here but it's really gross and I don't want to make anyone sick. aww c'mon Andrea we can handle it...tell us! ?maybe it's Sanskrit for 'rape me at woodstock?' vasant added: >But, in that case, you're just as guilty as Valerie. It's not okay to bash Korn and Kid Rock just because *you* like them, but it's okay to bash Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys?? That makes zero sense. guilty?...there's nothing to be guilty about. and it doesn't *have* to make sense.. once again it is just opinions...I don't particularly care for Brittney Spears music (I think her talents lay elsewhere) but hey you don't *have* to listen to it right? Robert wrote that Sally wrote: >I recently told a Korn fan that I blamed Korn, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock for the rapes (at Woodstock) >This makes about as much sense as Dan White saying that eating too many twinkies made him shoot and kill Ok..things (for the most part) don't make people do things...HOWEVER the influences of some music, videogames, TV violence, drugs and a multitude of mind-numbing-take-your individuality away diversions available to kids these days has to have an effect. the person is ultimately responsible for their actions. Val again: >but to me, the point of radio is to feature and expose people to a variety of different kinds of music, ha...haha...maybe in the old days of 'freeform' radio (anyone else remember that?) it was but these days I really don't think that is radios' point (actually there is no point to radio these days) >and i get tired of songs very easily. hmmmm....sounds like the attention span of a 4 y/o! ;>) Craig again: >It had to do with the sicks minds of some of the people there. It's unfortunate that stuff had to go on, but there is no way you can blame the bands. Blaming the bands and music in general is just a scapegoat for the problems some people have. I agree with ya Craig, but why do people have sick minds? Unless you are born with a organic brain disease...Influences my friend. hang on a sec, metallica 'one' just came on...I have to kill my co-worker..be right back.. Sandra (hi!) gave me a great idea: >My friend and I are going to rage against the Y2K machine and ring in the century in a very low-key way. We've got a cabin in the woods of Virginia as a destination. I thought I'd turn to the list for two things: first, any must-see advice for the area or the trip down, my god Sandra, bring the video camera ala blair witch style! seriously... nic'ole dirtybastard suprised me with: >Except for Aeon Flux. I didn't like that. now Nicole, how could you *not* like that show? was it the outfit? was it the fact that you didn't have one? Sally theorized: >Robert, I know what I said wasn't thought out well and after thinking some >more (this is what I told the Korn guy too) just because a woman was raped during Limp Bizkit's set doesn't mean it's Limp Bizkit's fault BUT I do think they should accept some type of responsibility for it as they unintentionally created an environment for it sally, believe me in no way do I condone what happened to anyone who got messed up at woodstock but I have to say this, what?...blaming LB for that is ludicrous. why not blame the woodstock organizers or the state of new york or better yet bill clinton for it? I know...actually god is at fault for all crime because he unintentionally created an environment (the earth) for it to take place. no one is responsible for it except the person who did it....period. Craig ended his life with: >Ok, you can all laugh at me now. I accidentally sent an email intended for my sister to the list on accident. I think I want to crawl into a hole. Craig.....geez dude....that letter was way too geeky even for sister-talk! aren't you all glad I'm back? DarkSide oftheMoon hilofer@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #361 ************************************