From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #359 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, December 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Liz and Aimee [Emerald314@aol.com] Poll No. 2 results [Miz Phair ] Hole, I agree Andrea!!, Vote for Liz ["Sally Mae" ] other stuff [Momus ] Re: Hole, I agree Andrea!!, Vote for Liz [AWeiss4338@aol.com] whine2k [Momus ] Re: what's wrong with this? [Vasant Ramamurthy ] Ha! [robert joyner ] article, kid rock et al [valerieb@mindspring.com] what?! [Craig King ] Western society's hardly Christian [MAILER-DAEMON ] final 930 song up on LIZ|Amp ["overpavement" ] An Evening with Stranger.... [Easter ] don't apologize! ["Nicole W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:40:35 EST From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Liz and Aimee I was flipping channels tonight and I happened to come across that Women in Rock thing on VH1. I didn't even realize what it was...I was like Oh look, it's Jennifer Lopez, how wonderful...and then I heard her say something about "Exile in Guyville" and it turns out I had turned it on right at the part where they talk about Liz, which I hadn't seen the last time the show was on. I said "OH MY GOD" really loudly and scared my roommate, I think. Liz's little section was too short (and come on, #94 or whatever she was? Get real....) but I'm just glad she got mentioned. And speaking of kick-ass women in rock, there is a nice article on Aimee Mann in the Dec. 13 issue of Time magazine. ~Emily "As much as I would like to stay, the message light just blinks away, and while I'm here you won't push play...." --Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:02:42 -0800 (PST) From: Miz Phair Subject: Poll No. 2 results Here are the results of poll two: 1. Fave Album: Exile (66 points), Whip-Smart (57 points), WCSE (49 points). 2. Least Fave Song: Oh My God (3 votes), Elvis Be True (2 votes), 16 other single responses. 3. Would Request At Concert: Russian Girl (3 votes), Carnivore (2 votes), 16 other single responses. 4. Prefer Not to Hear in Concert: No song in particular(10 votes), White Chocolate Space Egg (2 votes). 5. Fave Soundtrack Song: Don't Have Time (8 votes), Rocket Boy (7 votes). 6. Fave Site: Mesmerizing. Also picked more than once All of Them, Exile in Netville, I Spy a May Queen. 7. Most Similar Artist: No one(6 votes), Aimee Mann (3 votes). 8. Converting People to Liz: Mostly successful (9 votes), Little success (5 votes). Thanks again for taking part. It's been great reading the answers. p- ===== I'm obsessed, I'm a wreck, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say? Don't you need to feel my blood on the tracks today? - --Liz Phair, "Blood Keeper" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:08:08 -0800 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Hole, I agree Andrea!!, Vote for Liz Hey Craig, I read (in my Hole digest) that Hole are playing with Kid Rock instead of Sevendust. It didn't mention anything about Metallica but Hole with Kid Rock???? Andrea, I totally agree with you!! You are not being PC! Apparently I'm a bit PC according to my English teacher who I confronted after a feminist stereotype and gay jokes said by him so now he watches what he says (at least around me!). I agree with what you said about the thing at Woodstock. I recently told a Korn fan that I blamed Korn, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock for the rapes and this fan was not a happy chappy i.e. told me he wanted me to choke but then took it back. Also, JJJ are doing their hottest 100 songs of the year comp now so vote for Liz! Go to http://www.abc.net.au/triplej You don't have to be australian I don't think but you have to be australian to be eligible for the prize. I'm gonna start voting soon, Seeya peoples Sally P.S. With this millenium talk, how do we even know its gonna be 2000? Isn't this based on Christianity and Western society's hardly Christian- we are so contradictory! *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:15:58 -0800 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Amy Tan Someone, sorry I can't remember who it was, said a while back that Amy Tan plays in Stephen King's band. I'm just curious to know what instrument she plays!! Has anyone here read The Kitchen God's Wife by her? I'm gonna read it soon as I read The Hundred Secret Senses and loved it (and loved the movie of The Joy Luck Club)!! Curiousity killed the cat, Sally *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:13:33 -0800 From: Momus Subject: other stuff man...i gotta get me some of that liz news. let's see...so far we've been titillated with a maybe title that could possibly be attached to a live release that just might contain a few new tunes...did i miss anything? Mikey chimes in: >Well, it seems to me that they are more collaborating >on this next album, not reuniting. But who knows; >stranger things have happened (and are usually >documented on MrE's daily trip to the bizarre.) ...that Mikey's such a good boy. >"Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around >on a plane to a song made famous by a band that >died in a plane crash." Steve Buscemi, Con Air ...one of my favorite quotes is buscemi explaining what crazy is in the same movie...have it on my answering machine...as though any of you are gonna call... the easily amused Valerie melted my head with: >...i see that geek-love and raise you two! don't >know what it is *sigh*...and i, too, love "so i married an >axe murderer"...hard-hearted harbinger of haggis, indeed! ...uh, ok. i guess this is where i say 'i'll see your two and call'...but maybe if you could just help us out a little with the rest, yano, an interpreter or something...is 'geek love' a reference to the book bearing the same title is is it just another way of considering bill gates and martha stewart? >don't really care about the new album title, >she could call it 'manila envelope' for all i care. ...this is too fn funny. muchos haggis for the laugh...did i get that right? Mikey used most letters of the alphabet to inform us: >gotta disagree with all the optimists out here. >If the next release doesn't get airplay and generate >a significant amount of money for the record company >on the first single, Capitol will dump Ms Phair faster >than you can blink. ...first of all, its always in good form to disparage the optimists and secondly, where do you suppose will be liz's next home base? there seems to be little room for blands that are not canadian anymore...damned foreigners, present company excepted of course. but seriously, 1999 was the worst year in music that i can recall since the last time i had to recall the worst year in music. and it had nothing to do with sales and everything to do with idiots. dammit, when the really big news of the year is cher, its time to check out some sylvia plathe and crank on the oven... >Exactly how is this a bad thing? ...because it is so very fucking predictable. they're not necessarily bad choices in music, but they do seem to be about the only choices radio is choosing to allow us to choose when the choices could be so much more choosable and dammit i got lost again... >If you want to bash radio stations, try bashing >the ones who play Shittney Spears and the Backseat Boys. ...you choose the high road and i'll choose the low road and la de da de do do...i don't think we have to go outside our own realm to find fodder for the flame...there's enough mainstream in the outcasts to float a boat these days. >is called Mountains and is delayed till 3/00 ...that is so freekin weird looking. or is it freekin wierd lookin? where is our resident Mr. Spell Cheque? >I'm going to be in your town December 12 and 13. >Is there anything exciting going on there at that >time, or any places of interest I should check out? ...well, i hear the ice is, uh...cold this time of year and that the wind is possibly windy as well. should be a good time for all! mild and unspiced MrE - -- "There is not a more mean, stupid, dastardly, pitiful, selfish, envious, ungrateful animal than the public." William Hazlitt, 1778-1830 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:19:28 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Hole, I agree Andrea!!, Vote for Liz Thanks Sally for your kind words. And cool that you confronted your English teacher, we need more like you. And any Korn fan who threatens violence on anyone daring to say what you said, pretty much proves the point I was trying to make. I know not all Korn fans are not like that, but there seem to be a lot that are. Or Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Ect. What's JJJ, I'd like to know to vote. e-mail me off list for anyone who wants to know what Limp Bizkit really means. I'd say it here but it's really gross and I don't want to make anyone sick. Andrea aweiss4338@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 23:26:52 -0800 From: Momus Subject: whine2k to all those caring people that have added to the burden of the turn of the century by continuously reminding us of its nearness and prevalence, i would like to extend a hearty y2kiss my no longer interested in next year ass. i don't know about anyone else, but i am positively abhorrent of the subject to the extent of considering a move to china to avoid any more blather on what may well be a catastrophe but has certainly been talked to death. please do your part in preserving my tenacious on reality by abstaining from any patter that regards to the coming changing of the year. and i would also like to thank myself for bringing it up and all of you who will reply for doing likewise. thank you MrE - -- "There is not a more mean, stupid, dastardly, pitiful, selfish, envious, ungrateful animal than the public." William Hazlitt, 1778-1830 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:37:55 -0600 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: what's wrong with this? >From: Craig King > >valerie wrote: > >>>the capital of grunge has deteriorated into a place >where djs put korn, rage, kid rock, the beastie boys >and NIN in the cd player, hit random, and go out for a >few drinks<< > >Exactly how is this a bad thing? I would love a radio >station that played all of that stuff. You just named >4 of my favorite bands (not including NIN). I'm going >to see Korn in March and then I'm going to see Kid >Rock in January when he and Sevendust open for >Metallica. I'm going to the Metallica concert more to >see Kid Rock than anyone else, because I've heard he's >such an amazing live performer. I absolutely can't >wait! If you want to bash radio stations, try bashing >the ones who play Shittney Spears and the Backseat >Boys. > >Craig "AdRock" But, in that case, you're just as guilty as Valerie. It's not okay to bash Korn and Kid Rock just because *you* like them, but it's okay to bash Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys?? That makes zero sense. BTW, there's a station here in St. Louis that plays every single band Valerie mentioned, so I'm sure you'd like it. Vasant - ----- The Wave of Mutilation: the very best in indie rock/pop & other classics Sundays, 2-4 pm. (central) Live in RealAudio at http://kwur.wustl.edu Playlists at http://vasant.tsx.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 04:52:13 -0800 (PST) From: robert joyner Subject: Ha! Sally wrote: I recently told a Korn fan that I blamed Korn, Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock for the rapes (at Woodstock) This makes about as much sense as Dan White saying that eating too many twinkies made him shoot and kill Mayor George Moscone and City Superintendant Harvey Milk in San Francisco back in the 70's. The premise you put forth is so laughable that it doesn't really merit serious discussion. Next Sally: Ozzy Osbourne's music makes kids commit suicide Robert Joyner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:11:16 -0500 From: valerieb@mindspring.com Subject: article, kid rock et al only have a few seconds, but: that article april posted was one of the best reviews of EIG i've ever read. this sounds weird, but it gave me chills and made me feel something akin to...i don't know, "patriotic". thank you... and people (hi craig!), i am *not* bashing kid rock and his ilk...i explained in #358, a few posts above yours, that i was really complaining about the lack of variety. kid rock does indeed put on a great show (saw him last summer at music midtown in atlanta), it's pure entertainment, raucous, fun and peppered with many classic rock moments (including covers or partial covers of songs by fellow michiganders/michiganians alice cooper, bob segar, and the motor city madman himself, ted nugent). but to me, the point of radio is to feature and expose people to a variety of different kinds of music, and i get tired of songs very easily. my ideal radio station would do things like play liz followed by metallica followed by billie holiday followed by agent orange, though, so what the hell do i know? duty calls...valerie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: what?! >>rape inspriers like Limp Biscut, Korn and Kid Rock. I do remeber Woodstock 99 all too well.<< Wait one damn minute here. Rape inspirers?! That's the most ludicrious statement I've ever heard! Exactly how have these bands inpired people to go out and rape one another? I have been to a Korn and Limp Bizkit concert and I know people who listen to all 3 bands (including myself) and I have seen no evidence whatsoever that these bands inspire people to go out and rape one another. As far as Woodstock, that had nothing to do with the bands. It had to do with the sicks minds of some of the people there. It's unfortunate that stuff had to go on, but there is no way you can blame the bands. Blaming the bands and music in general is just a scapegoat for the problems some people have. Craig "AdRock" NP: Korn - "Issues" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:34:48 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: Western society's hardly Christian Sorry about the lack of Liz content, but someone stated that Western society is hardly Christian, when in fact from my point of view, Western society has been ruled by Christians. Heck, Europe was ruled by the pope for the longest time. The only sections that weren't were headed by the leader of a protestant sect. Even America was settled as an attempt to worship the Christian faith independant from the Anglicans. Joshua Patrick Kanary, Esquire vist my web page: http://www2.gvsu.edu/~kanaryj "As long as possible live free and uncommitted. It makes but little difference whether you are committed to a farm or the county jail." -Henry David Thoreau ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: Meow Grrl Subject: songs for a millennium road trip Fellow Lizsters: My friend and I are going to rage against the Y2K machine and ring in the century in a very low-key way. No ball dropping, no flashing lights, no $300 tickets, no cab rides, no worries about being kissable, no sexy outfits, no traffic, no crowds. Most importantly, nothing that depends on the power that will surely go out at the stroke of midnight -- if you believe in that kind of stuff. We’ve got a cabin in the woods of Virginia as a destination. I’m from Boston and have never been to the southeastern coast. I thought I’d turn to the list for two things: first, any must-see advice for the area or the trip down, but more importantly, for help composing the soundtrack. Got any song suggestions for a millennial road trip? (btw, this pains me, but it can’t be liz-heavy as my friend is just not a fan. She’ll probably allow me a little Fuck and Run and Divorce Song – it’s a road trip, after all! – but that’s probably it.) I am turning to the list not specifically b/c of Liz but because of the amazing music taste you all have. And I’m not necessarily looking for obscurities – any perfect song will do. Oh, and “An Evening With …” reminds me of the Metallica tour I saw in 1991, whose tickets were emblazoned with that very phrase. I thought it was hugely ironic at the time, and kind of corny and tongue-in-cheek, so I like it for Liz for that reason alone. But it does sound more like a live album than studio. my five bucks, sandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:09:50 -0500 From: "overpavement" Subject: final 930 song up on LIZ|Amp last song, 'divorce song', from the 930 show in d.c. in april, 99, posted at the LIZ|Amp site: http://homepages.msn.com/cookingct/crookedrain/lpramp3s.html okay, now i've posted every song from the show, and the site now includes the correct set-list, as well as a couple of semi-feeble attempts at designing cd covers for those of you who have burned the show onto cd, and a long-winded page describing the actual show and why i've been distributing it (it was a GREAT show). i did see one guy on e-bay recently selling a cd of the show, and i asked him (almost politely) to cancel the auction, and he did it immediately. so i can't complain there. but i'd encourage people to distribute this show, and other shows, for free or trade. if anyone else wants to post these more permanently, but free of charge, on their own website, be my guest. if i see people selling it, though, i'll take the necessary steps to make sure they knock it off. so... all that's left is for me to re-post the 8 songs or so that sounded lousy because i recorded them as realaudio first, and then converted them to mp3. that'll occur over the next few weeks, and i'll post the expected posting dates on the site starting this coming weekend. otherwise, i still need to upload the RA version of 'divorce song', but otherwise, i'm out. hope people enjoyed the show, and if you have ?'s or !'s, email me privately. o p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Easter Subject: An Evening with Stranger.... Jase wrote: "Perhaps that's another reason for the "evening" title; maybe Liz is aiming to make a darker record this time out. Some of the new material has a "night" feel to it, if that makes any sense." It makes perfect sense cuz "Hello Stranger" fits this category very well. Sounds like you're sitting in a bar and the featuring artist is Liz singing this song, sounds very intimate. It better be on the new album. The lyrics have changed major time too. Coming soon to a web site near you, not mine though..... Oh...and I spotted the Magnolia soundtrack today but couldn't buy it, due to tight money. All I can say is thank goodness the cover doesn't have frogs flying through the air like the posters I have. Rumour has it that Aimee might get an Oscar nomination. It's that good huh? Jase, you haven't worn that cd out yet I hope. :) Katie ();) NP: Stevie Nicks_Bella Donna ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "As long as no one asks no questions, I got the message. -Stone Temple Pilots. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: don't apologize! Okay fine, as long as I'm already not studying at the moment (there's only so much anthropology I can absorb at one sitting), I'll put in my opinions about some recent issues. "An Evening With...": I like it. It's kind of, dare I say, ironic? I feel like it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, ya know? Like Liz is making FUN of John Tesh or what have you, the type of person who would have an album titled "An Evening With Kenny G" or whatever. And she put the ellipses there, so you know, she's not like "An Evening With Liz Phair" or anything. I dunno... i know what I'm thinking but not how to say it. It's like... she's just being like "An Evening With..." and not explicitly stating that it's an evening with HER, but yr supposed to get that, but by using ellipses, she's alluding to JOhn Tesh, Kenny G, etc and making fun o' them. To person who knocked Eddie Vedder in the last digest: HEY! STOP IT! Gotta defend my man... Okay so sometimes he sings about himself, but alot alot of the songs aren't about himself and aren't "whiny" or whatever. Everyone's gotta vent sometimes... I mean somebody could interpret "I want a boyfriend I want a boyfriend" as being whiny and feeling sorry for oneself... Everyone has their self-pity moments. I could find more examples in Liz's stuff but I should realy get back to Anthro. Anyway, the bottom line is... Step off! :) What else was there? Hmm... Wanna know something funny? I drove my roommate out! She announced the other day that she's moving to a different room in this house! HAHA! I can laugh cuz I asked her today why she was leaving and her answers are so... unrealistic that I don't feel bad anymore. NOw I really hope that no one on this list goes and tells her (if you know her) that I'mtalking about her on here. In fact, maybe I should just erase this paragraph, but I won't. Cuz I had to get that out. And it segues nicely into the statement that well... it's been a whole semester and I still hate Phish. Even more so, in fact. But that's only my humble opinion, and it's rude anyway to state tha here, esp. after just telling someone to step off cuz he insulted Eddie Vedder. But it's different, cuz I'm only just saying sometihng about myself... ya know? The fact that I hate phish doesn't say anything about the band (except that they might have fans, but they'll never feel fulfilled cuz they don't have ME! HAHAHAHA!) Anyway... I'm going to go now... the study of humans calls... Maybe I should just hang up on him. - -Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #359 ************************************