From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #357 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, December 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V2 #356 [Nick Nelson ] Replies, _An Evening With..._ [Jason Long ] juliana show 12/4 [riot poof ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #356 [Meredith Robbins ] millenium [Aaron Hunter ] Re: That Beck Song/Top movies & a bitch... [Shelly ] Capitol and the next album [robert joyner ] liz ckj online, ap, etc. [BiSKinikill@aol.com] because..? ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] Re: Capitol and the next album [Jason Long ] Re: millenium [madLucas ] Selling Out [AMCFLND1@aol.com] Poll appeal ["Gerry Lipnowski" ] Re: Blake Babies Reunion/sell-outs [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Semi-OT [Meredith Robbins ] this is kinda funny/cool ["Nicole W." ] i found it on the web... ["Nicole W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:43:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Nelson Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #356 >Liz said the name came to her in a dream, and I always figured she came up >with it intuitively to represent where the album fit into her life: >White: signifying the existential "Other" (opposite of regular chocolate >color) >Chocolate: sweetness and decadence ?Space: the cosmic force behind life and creativity >Egg: birth (probably related to her pregnancy) I thought wcse was her perception of her son's head when he was born. Egg-shaped, white chocolate-colored. WRT the millenium. The PBS Frontline special of a week ago on apocalyptic prophesies said the year 1 wasn't assigned until what is now considered the 8th century, when some cleric tried to backtrack to the birth of Christ and start counting years from then. Are there artifacts from before then that are dated? I doubt if every Roman woke up Jan 1st, year 1 and said "Wow, finally we're counting years, happy friggin' new year!" The Romans didn't recoginize Christianity until King Constantine (I forget the year, but it was many centuries after year 1 - also the the Frontline special) so they wouldn't have counted from his birth (which was 4 years before year 1 anyway - - yep, Frontline special). The point of this ramble is, people are celebrating the rollover from 1999 to 2000, not some theoretical date that wasn't observed then anyway. Get used to it, and party like it's (no longer) 1999. Thank you for your kind attention. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 02:09:37 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Replies, _An Evening With..._ Steve @ umich (sorry, I have to differentiate somehow!) wrote: >mary timony (is that even out yet? i know absolutely nothing about her new >solo album!) Mary's album isn't out yet, but will be on January 25, according to Ice Magazine. I haven't heard much about the album, but being a Helium fan, I am looking forward to its release. Katie wrote: >Yikes, exactly what my mother said about Liz after >hearing EIG. She thought of Liz as the modern-day Joni >Mitchell. Hmmm.. To me, at least, the comparison makes sense. I've heard many critics refer to _Exile in Guyville_ as a modern-day update of Joni's _Blue_, and the comparison is apt. Both albums take an unflinching look at failed relationships, heartache and the sadness and loneliness that comes with it, the various dynamics within relationships, and how debilitating and destructive desire can be. Also, while both albums are very different stylistically, they both share a similar aesthetic; there's definitely a less-is-more sensibility to both. On _Exile in Guyville_, a few of the songs' arrangements consist solely of Liz's vocals and guitar, while the remaining songs are built around those elements, adding additional instrumentation as needed, in a very tasteful manner. Joni's _Blue_ used a similar approach, where many of the songs consist only of Joni's piano, guitar, or dulcimer, along with her vocals. The other songs added additional guitar from James Taylor or percussion. _Blue_ seems to be the Joni album held in highest regard by most critics and fans, so the impression of her from that album is the one most often referenced when she is written or talked about, and it's certainly the one that would spark the most comparisons between Liz and Joni. Anyway, as a big fan of Joni's work, I highly recommend that those who haven't heard her give her a listen. _Blue_ may not be the best place to start for everyone, although it's one of her most personal works. Both _For the Roses_ and _Court and Spark_ are more accessible (especially the latter), and _Hejira_ is possibly her most haunting record. Chris wrote: >Favorite Liz talk show appearance: Not really a talk show, but the MuchMusic >interview was excellent Do you (or anyone else, for that matter) have a copy of this? I was in too much shock to have actually been there for the interview to really remember much of it. It would be great to see it again. Who knows, maybe there's even a quick shot of me somewhere in there, probably looking like I was going to faint. :) Robbie wrote: >7.) What artist do you think is most similar to Liz? > Most similar... Aimee Mann and Jen Trynin. I agree with Jason about the >lyrical depth in Aimee and Liz's songwriting. I think the same statement >could apply to Jen's as well. All of them are wonderful and still >distinctful, but I think they're all on the same wavelength in one way or >another. I definitely agree with you; that statement could apply to Jen just as easily. I felt limited to only one response for the question, though, otherwise I would have mentioned her as well. I also agree that they are all distinctive of each other, but there seems to be a similar honesty and outlook at the core of each of their music. Another shameless plug: For anyone who already likes both Aimee and Liz, you'd definitely be doing yourself a favor if you were to pick up a copy of Jen's _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_. It's one of the truly great records to have been released this decade, yet sadly overlooked by most. About Liz's new album, I actually quite like the title of _An Evening With..._. To me, it seems to signal that it will be a much more intimate album than _whitechocolatespaceegg_ was, which wouldn't surprise me. Here's an excerpt from an interview with Liz that can be found at which expresses some of Liz's thoughts about the last album and what she wants for the next one: "I like the small songs on the album because the big songs, the big production songs like Johnny Feelgood are worked over so much in the studio. There are songs that I can hear a lot of myself in: Go On Ahead, Perfect World, Girls' World, Only Son." What about Headache? "Oh, I was just about to say ... how strange, I was going to say that what else is big for me is Headache. If I could make an album for me, all the songs would sound like Headache. That's really your favourite track? See, I need to fight more with my producer. He wanted to tighten it up but I wouldn't let him. It's loose, the mistakes are left in it. It's sloppy. I like that. I want more of that. Next time - space and looseness." Then she laughs gently, "Next time the songs could sound more like I envision them in my bedroom." Also, if you ask me, the title may also be a play on the preconceived notion many people, including critics, have of her, based on some of the _Guyville_ songs. It could be that Liz is poking a bit of fun at that image of herself and the people who hold it. I have a pretty good feeling about the new album. The new songs we've heard have all been great, although I'm really surprised -- but glad -- to hear that "Bouncers' Conversation" will be on the record. For some reason, I was always expecting that if anything got cut, it would be that song. Perhaps that's because Liz hasn't written anything quite so dark in quite some time (although "Go On Ahead" and "Only Son" come pretty close). Also, in terms of arrangement and performance (live, at least), it seemed most reminiscent of _Girly Sound_ or _Guyville_ material, and it seems like Liz is more interested in looking forward rather than back these days. Perhaps that's another reason for the "evening" title; maybe Liz is aiming to make a darker record this time out. Some of the new material has a "night" feel to it, if that makes any sense. I'm not sure if I'm quite as optimistic about the spring release, though, as others seem to be. For some reason, I'm not expecting to see it before summer. Considering Liz has yet to line up a producer and is only laying down basic tracks right now, it's hard to see her finishing the record right away, and I imagine she'd take a break over the holidays to be with her family. Usually a record is finished for three three or four months before the label releases it, so depending on much work is left to be done, it's not hard to envision a slight delay. I do have a good feeling that any delay will be a short one, however, so I'm not being totally pessimistic here -- just cautious not to expect the record too soon. As for Liz's record label prospects, Capitol could have easily had Matador keep her. Obviously for them to have wanted her, they must have some faith in her potential. While I feel that they didn't do a good job of promoting _whitechocolatespaceegg_, hopefully they will do more for the new record. Regardless, even if this album doesn't sell more than the last one, I really wouldn't think Capitol would drop her that easily. Liz has a high media profile and is a critic's darling, and usually artists of that nature are given a little more leeway. Most labels generally keep a couple of "prestige" artists on the roster. However, if the record after the next is a commercial disappointment as well, then it's hard to say what might happen. I wouldn't worry just yet, though. Jase NP: 'Magnolia' (still -- it's just so good!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: riot poof Subject: juliana show 12/4 I just got back from seeing juliana hatfield at the blind pig in ann arbor, michigan. It was so intimate, such a treat! just her and a guitar, testing out a bunch of new songs for her album due out in march. and a bunch of old faves too. great show! steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:23:52 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Youth Dynamics, Inc. - Livingston" Subject: Mesmerizing I don't know if anyone already mentioned this (I was out of town for a week and didn't thoroughly read all the posts) but I just listened to the end of Mesmerizing and I think the strange sound is a person playing tug-of-war with a dog. You can hear the tags on the collar shaking and I think it is the person making the growling sounds. I have two large dogs and know this whole sound very well!! Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:29:11 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Youth Dynamics, Inc. - Livingston" Subject: RE: Selling Out >>Paul wrote: >>i read an interview >> right >> after wcse where she commented that the "fuck and >> run >> girl" would always be a part of her. >I think what people also don't take into account is >how much Liz's life has changed. She's not the angry >young girl trapped as a musician's girl in Guyville >anymore. She's married, has a child and a different >outlook on life. That's bound to change the music. >It personally inspires me. I felt what Liz did, on my >own level, when she did Guyville. Now her happiness >inspires me and helps me over my "I can feel it in my >bones, I'm gonna spend my whole life alone" fear. >paige- Well said. This is what is so great about music, one can listen to their "old" songs that were so perfectly attuned to how they were feeling while going through either torment or joy and remember that time. One then takes that memory and applies it to the person they now are. No one remains the same person they once were...or at least one would hope not. The particular line you chose to quote is classic with regards to how I felt when I first listened to "Fuck and Run". I KNEW in my bones I was going to spend my whole life alone. Now years later, married, with a beautiful little girl about to turn three, I know I am at peace. I still listen to all those angry angst ridden songs and enjoy them thoroughly, I just enjoy them differently. Has Liz sold out...no she has gotten older...does she still have "edge"...absolutely, it will never leave her. As for "An Evening With...", I am thinking a live recording. Somewhat disappointed about that prospect as I am in need of some NEW songs. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:59:31 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #356 robert joyner wrote: >Combine all of the following and I think we would have >the perfect liz phair website. > >the visual flair of Robbie's Slick Divide >the comprehensive discography, photos and articles >sections of Ken's Mesmerizing >the url of lizphair.com >the multimedia autobiography of my Nashville site >the garden of ewok's section of Nicole's May Queen >(funny concept) >Gwardog's Liz Phair Gigography >the FAQ from Aaron Walker's Stratford on Guy >the song and lyrics section from Jenny's Cool Tall >Vunerable and Luscious > >And Jason Long as the master of ceremonies And absolutely nothing from Exile in Netville, which predates all of these but Stratford-on-Guy. Damn, I need to either update or just chuck the whole damn thing. Meredith - -- "Don't let lack of talent hold you back!" -- Ann-Marie Bivans, _101 Secrets to Winning Beauty Pageants_ Taking that advice to heart: http://www.eclectricity.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:43:42 -0500 From: Aaron Hunter Subject: millenium someone wrote: "too many people keep telling that about 2001 why? there was year #0 and on 1 january of 0 there was the beginning of let's say our calendar it means that when it came to 1 january of year #1 - 1 year passed away. here we are - there will be 1 january 2000 and this would mean that 2000 years passed away and 1 january 2000 is the beginning of new millenium." this most certainly is not true (i know this lacks liz content, but it's too egregious a mistake to let fly) . . . THERE WAS NO YEAR ZERO (0). In fact, the current calendar that we go by was not even in existence in what would have been the year zero or one or two. Years were determinede (in the western world) by whichever roman was ruling . . . before and after the empire. When the church was consolodating power throughout the middle ages into the Renaissance, our current calendar was developed . . . with many tweaking over the centuries. They decided to start it with the year of Christ's birth (year 1). AD stands for Anno Dominum (sorry, my latin's a bit rusty) which is the year of our lord. Every thing before that was BC (before christ). So . . . if everything is measured either before Christ, or at the birth of Christ . . . where would zero fall . . . there is no in between when he was here or not here. Trust me . . . the people who created our calendars did not create a zero year. Thus one hundred years had passed at the end of year one hundred. Just like two thousand years will have passed (two millenia) at the end of the year 2000. Incidentily . . . the church fathers got the birth of christ wrong . . . we've since pinpointed it to sometime between 6-4 B.C. . . . so if you think about it, the millenium, the way we measure it, has already come and gone . . . sometime between the end of 1994 and 1996. Oh well, no reason not to party at the end of the month. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:47:31 -0800 From: Shelly Subject: Re: That Beck Song/Top movies & a bitch... > "Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:50:07 -0800 (PST) > From: Easter > Subject: That Beck song > > Any Beck fans on this list? I cannot get that song out > of my head, the new single from his latest album. For > some reason, the song always makes me think of Liz and > I can't think of any similarities in any way. > > Katie ();)" > Katie--I want to have Beck's baby. *grin* Call it geek-love, call it just plain weird, but I too love Beck in all his oddness & glory...And, you're right, his newest single reminds me a bit of Liz as well & I've yet to figure out why. Hooks? I dunno, but I love it! Top five movies: (this will be tough, considering I think I only saw six or seven movies this past year) 1. American Beauty. Absolutely loved Kevin Spacey & Annette Benning--not to mention the off-kilter next door neighbor boy. 2. Fight Club. Don't ask me why, was probably the company I was keeping when I went to see it...all that testosterone, does things for a girl. *laugh* 3. Saving Private Ryan. I know it came out LAST year, but I didn't get to see it until early spring. *shrug*. . 4. (have to say it) Blair Witch Project. Simply because I actually got scared in a few parts, and to be physicaly affected (nausea et al.) by a film is why I go in the first place. 5. Ausin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me. What can I say, I'm a Mike Myers fan (One of my all-time fave flix--So I Married an Axe Murderer--"Woman, woooo-maaaan".) Apart from these movies, the only other ones I was able to see were "South Park" (complete & utter waste of time--I was outvoted by a group of numb-minded friends), and The Matrix, which I would've enjoyed a lot more if Keanu Reeves ("No way, Dude!") hadn't been the star. I cannot watch him and not think of "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure". One more note~~ "From: Mark McKee Subject: nothing. Why is this selling out thing so important, if you like the forthcoming album buy it, if you don't, leave it alone. It's pretty simple. Music's main purpose is to bring enjoyment. From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: [none] Craig King -- I, too, hate cries of "sell out!" " I agree with the lot of you...If you feel someone is "selling out", well, then that is your own dilemma to deal with. If you don't agree with what an artist is doing/printing/singing/writing/saying/fill-in-the-blank for moral/public/self-serving/fill-in-the-blank reasons, then practice your free will as a consumer and simply don't buy it. Sounds pretty easy, 'eh? Everyone's got reasons for why they do things...I suppose it's just that not everyone always agrees upon those reasons.. Alright, enough for now...too much to do & so little free time. ~gunshy~ Shelly NP: Beastie Boys "Ill Communicato" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: robert joyner Subject: Capitol and the next album I am really glad that jason brought up the Liz and Capitol issue. If I remember correctly liz signed a six album deal when she first signed up with Matador. Assuming that she is still working under that deal, this would be a her fifth album of the deal, if we include Juvenilia. I think that a lot will be riding on the success of the next album in terms of her maintaining a deal with a major label. Granted, both exile and whipsmart went gold but it took five and four years, respectively, to do so. This would trouble the record company in two ways. It doesn't give them the instant return on their investment that they seem to operate on these days. Atlantic Records is notorius for such a stance. the slow march to gold status would also seem to indicate only marginal back catalog sales of the two albums. Labels love the cash cow of back catalog sales. How do you think they still actually let the Rolling Stones still record new music? The profits from the sales of their 1970's to the present albums. They don't have to advertise them a bit. The record company just sits their and collects the cash. I think that capitol will give the next album a really good push for mainstream success. that way they can determine if it is worth it to sign Liz to a another deal or just let her play out her option. Robert Joyner Jason Long Wrote: Regardless, even if this album doesn't sell more than the last one, I really wouldn't think Capitol would drop her that easily......... . However, if the record after the next is a commercial disappointment as well, then it's hard to say what might happen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:11:31 EST From: BiSKinikill@aol.com Subject: liz ckj online, ap, etc. I just found this through some funky links: http://www.mtv.com/mtv/marketing/CalvinKlein/viewer/viewerMain.html#maximized Has Liz talking...the familiar radio ad as well as more interview schtuff. Not earth-shattering or anything, but hey, the earth is not made of shoddy, thin glass. I got the alternative press yesterday......showed it to my best friend who said that liz looks like she goes to my high school. I have those pants! My friend has almost that sweater! Everyone blow-dries hair into oblivion! But liz does look purty, as usual. In other non-news, according to some article i found buried in my drawers (desk, not like skivies) from some magazine from a hotel in '97, winnetka is listed two above my town in their feature on the richest towns in the U.S. Same $ factor, only they have a couple fewer ppl. Wow. I feel so connected. wah,wah. And liiiiiiiiike a few other ppl on the list, I rilly dislike "An Evening With...". Can she change it? Please? It just sounds so damn silly. Then again, she was considering called wcse "the far-away look" or something, so maybe all of her preliminary titles suck. Although i never did really like the title wcse. And i still don't like l/h transmission. Ok, I'm going to go plunge back into my little burrow of negativity until I can think of something nice to say. - --alli ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:22:32 PST From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: because..? valerie wrote: >the capital of grunge has deteriorated into a place where djs put >korn, >rage, kid rock, the beastie boys and NIN in the cd player, hit >random, and >go out for a few drinks and this would be bad because?...... DarkSide oftheMoon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:42:52 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Capitol and the next album Robert Joyner wrote: >I am really glad that jason brought up the Liz and >Capitol issue. If I remember correctly liz signed a >six album deal when she first signed up with Matador. >Assuming that she is still working under that deal, >this would be a her fifth album of the deal, if we >include Juvenilia. Liz's initial deal with Matador was for one album and one EP, but after the success of _Exile in Guyville_, they signed her to the bigger deal for six albums. My guess is that _Juvenilia_ was released to count as the EP owing on the previous contract. If this is the case, then only _Whip-Smart_ and _whitechocolatespaceegg_ would count towards the six album deal, so after the new record, she would still owe Capitol three more, unless they were to drop her. It's also quite possible that Liz's contract was rewritten when she moved to Capitol, so it's hard to say what terms she might be working under now. >Granted, both exile and whipsmart went gold but it >took five and four years, respectively, to do so. >This would trouble the record company in two ways. It >doesn't give them the instant return on their >investment that they seem to operate on these days. >Atlantic Records is notorius for such a stance. the >slow march to gold status would also seem to indicate >only marginal back catalog sales of the two albums. >Labels love the cash cow of back catalog sales. You bring up a really good point here. These days, major labels seem to be looking for instant returns on releases, as well as sustained back catalog sales. Considering the amount of money spent promoting Liz's albums, they likely deem their performance as disappointing, particularly _Whip-Smart_, for which there was a huge media blitz and the belief that it would be a surefire hit. Labels want to see the rewards more quickly, and slow-but-steady sellers like Liz don't really fit into that equation. >I think that capitol will give the next album a really >good push for mainstream success. that way they can >determine if it is worth it to sign Liz to a another >deal or just let her play out her option. I have a feeling they will do much more to market the new record, and they'll likely try to find inventive ways of promoting it. I really hope that it will pay off -- Liz deserves to finally have a hit, and it will keep the label happy for a while. Also, if Liz were to have a hit, us fans would certainly benefit; Capitol would likely want to cash in and would release some of the material that's been left in the vaults. Who knows, maybe we'd finally even see an official release of the complete Girly Sound recordings.... Jase SP (Still Playing): 'Magnolia' soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:52:26 +0300 From: madLucas Subject: Re: millenium ok. so if it is a mistake and the new millenium starts in 2001 then why is it that important? it is only calendar which has nothing to deal with Time. i recently thought why 10 years birthday is more important than 11? it is definitely still unknown for me. to add some liz content: pavement ist rad. i guess liz phair said that 11 march 1998. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:21:40 EST From: AMCFLND1@aol.com Subject: Selling Out In a message dated 12/5/99 1:19:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: << Therefore, not a one of you can call Liz a sell out and be well founded in your claim. >> Liz is nowhere near a sellout, but apparantly the New York Times doesn't agree. They have an article in today's paper saying that Liz, along with other artists, are sellouts for whatever reasons (Calvin Klein ads, Gap jingles) I'm furious. Sara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:15:48 PST From: "Gerry Lipnowski" Subject: Poll appeal Oh, what the heck... I'll play... RECENT POLLS 1) First Liz song heard: - 6'1" How did you come to hear Liz: - I mail-ordered EIG after I read an article on her, just after its release. It wasn't available in Canada at that point, so I bought it without ever having heard a note from it. One of the most pleasant surprises of my life! Quintessential Liz song: -Divorce Song or Fuck and Run Favorite Liz song: - Tough question, as it could change on any given day. Either of the two quintessential listed above on most days, but today you could throw in Hurricane Cindy, Johnny Feelgood or Only Son (which never gets high marks from anyone else, I've noticed.) First Liz video seen: Never Said Favorite Liz video: Never Said Favorite Liz talk show appearance: Well, if I could amend it to favourite TV appearance, Sessions at 54th How many times have you seen Liz live: twice How many times have you met Liz: once. She was incredibly sweet, easy going and down to earth. What's your prize Liz possession: My copy of EIG,a source of endless delight and my favourite CD of the 90's. 2) Rate Liz's albums in order of your preference: - - ---Exile, WCSE, Whip Smart What's your least favorite Liz song? - - --- Although I do like this song, I'll say that Chopsticks has not held up to repeated listenings as well as her other songs What song would you request of her in concert? - - ---Hurricane Cindy What song would you prefer not to hear in concert?-- Can't imagine objecting to anything she wanted to sing. What's your favorite Liz soundtrack song? - - ---Rocket Boy What's your fave Liz Web site to visit? - - ---All of the ones that are run by anyone on this list. What artist do you think is most similar to Liz? - - Some of the other responses that I thought were appropriate included pj harvey and Aimee Mann, but I think because it's the calibre of their work, not really a similarity to Liz. Someone who has reminded me more directly of Liz on some of her work is Lida Husik: often using the same kind of voice inflections as Liz. How have you fared in attempts to "convert" others to the glories (hee, hee) of Phairdom? - - ---Uhmmm, not so well...in spite of unceasing efforts on my part. 3)Fave five albums of 1999 - - Ember Swift - Permanent Marker - - Oh Susanna - Johnstown - - Joy Eden Harrison - Unspoken - - Serina Jung - - I'm reserving this space for the upcoming Aimee Mann.... Slipping back into lurkdom, Gerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:58:36 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Blake Babies Reunion/sell-outs There is actually a Bangles reunion planned, the Peterson sisters are working with Susanna Hoffs again. Don't know if Michael Steele is involved though. Don't know what will come of this but I hope it's a new Bangles record. Andrea aweiss4338@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:27:02 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Semi-OT Hello, So I went to see Mary Lou Lord (is Rachel Kramer Bussel still on the list? I still love my Mary Lou tapes, Rachel!) at the Knitting Factory Saturday night, and it was awesome! It's such a nice cozy little space with such a nice cozy little stage, and Mary Lou's set was really long (and she took requests! including my request! rapture!) Plus, I was able to have a longish conversation with her after the show, and she signed a CD for me. Yay! I've decided that the Knitting Factory main space is my dream Liz Phair venue. On a slightly more on-topic note (raising this post, I hope, to the semi-OT level), one of the openers for Mary Lou was Ted Leo's Pharmacists, which turned out to be a guy, a guitar, a pair of maracas, and a reel-to-reel tape deck to take care of all the backing instrumentation. Sonically, very little in common with Liz, but lyrically, there was a definite resemblance, so much so that I felt compelled to stop him after the show and tell him so (his response: "Really? How so? That's pretty interesting. I need to think about that. That's actually kind of cool.") The line "When I don't like someone, I stop fucking them" seemed particularly resonant. So, yeah, you might want to check out this guy and his quasi-band. If you're still waiting on tenterhooks (you dirty thing, you) for the aforementioned Netville update: I've been fiddling with http://www.exileinnetville.com/bio.html and http://www.exileinnetville.com/lyrics.html No new material there, just trying to make the inside pages match the site's front page design. Very beta-test. Let me know what you think. Love, Meredith - -- "Don't let lack of talent hold you back!" -- Ann-Marie Bivans, _101 Secrets to Winning Beauty Pageants_ Taking that advice to heart: http://www.eclectricity.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:17:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: this is kinda funny/cool I woke up this morning and I couldn't quite get back to sleep. I opened the NY Times Magazine (it comes with the Sunday NY Times) and I was looking through it (it was quite interesting, despite having Robin Williams on the cover. I used to like him, but now he bothers me kinda.) Anyway, there was some article... I was half asleep so I dont' remember what it was about. Everything in this issue seemed to have something to do with a time capsule, but I cna't figure out how this one figured in... becausde I can't remember what it was about and based upon what I do remember, I can't figure out how it pertains to a time capsule... ANYWAY... there was a picture of something that happened at Broadway & Houston St. in NYC, a b4 and after pic. Remembering that this was the location of the Liz CK billboard-on-a-building ad, I looked for it in the pic and... there it was! I ripped the picture out cuz I thought it was kinda cool and funny, but I think I forgot about it and I went back in my room and went back to sleep. When I woke upa gain, I realized what I had done, but the picture was gone. So I dont' have it to scan or anything, nor to keep for myself (I'm sad... me and my stupidity. and tiredness. grrr.) But I thought it was cool and I thought I'd tell y'all. So Liz was kinda in the New York Times today. Yee haw. Later, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: i found it on the web... For all those concerned, I found the pictures in question on the web... but you have to sign up for a free id at the NY times... anyway the url is: http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/millennium/m6/mminute-law.html The article was called "A New York Minute". And while you're there, read the top ten list by david letterman at the end of the magazine. It's way funny. Later, Nicole P.S. Thanks for the complements on my site, those who gave them. I looked at my site last night while stoned, and realized it actually sucks. I'm going to try and fix that when I have time, which will be never. I would have time over xmas break, but I won't have my computer. It's my hub. Cant' work on other computers. Must be my own! It's where all my work is! Bye... * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #357 ************************************