From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #343 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, November 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 343 Today's Subjects: ----------------- of back ups and angelina [Momus ] A two part email... ["Nicole W." ] PaRt TWO: The meat ["Nicole W." ] NEW RECORD FROM LIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [DiskoBoy23@aol.com] poll and Being John Malkovitch [Craig King ] Hearts In Atlantis [YuriG2@aol.com] Biff Naked [Dan ] POLL [RocketBoyD@aol.com] response to my own earlier post... ["Nicole W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:21:15 -0800 From: Momus Subject: of back ups and angelina i'm only happy when it rains... hum...what a sucky segue...yeh, back-up singers have been the highlight of many a show...yep, right behind the lead vocalist...guitarists...drummers...banjo players...flaminco dancers...lighting and sound techs...ushers...ticket takers...ticket scalpers...dealers...security...concession stand attendants...the smoking police and the opening acts... JUST KIDDING! GET OVER YOURSELF ALREADY...actually enjoy the back up vocalists for the most part...for instance, pink floyd had a knock-out backing group and tom petty ditto. to tell the truth, when liz did la, ms. rains was sequestered so far back in the corner that she was hardly discernible from the drapes...i'm not even sure her mic was on. >So what if she may have driven her husband to commit suicide? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't respond to this...so little sanity..so many years left...can not bear another struggle over the love thang... magic dirt? i have got to get myself to australia... >Ok, which female and male artists -past or present- >would you want to fuck the most? ...would i have to memorize their names, like how to spell them and shit? 'cause if so, Melissa Auf Der Maur (name pasted to protect my sanity) is not gonna make the list. and speaking of 'the list', i don't think i want anyone that has appeared on the inane vh1 show of the same name, which would leave Melissa Auf Der Maur (name pasted to protect my sanity) with two strikes. i might even get over the spelling thing, but the vh1 thing would leave a bad taste in my mouth...pun intended...other than that, sure, she'd make a great in between meal snack. yano something...i really cannot think of any rock types i'm dying to bed...now if angelina jolie can sing...hell, if she can just hum...awe phucit, if she would just agree to meet me somewhere... gotta go MrE - -- "Living and dying...we feed the flame" - Clive Barker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: A two part email... I have to respond to two things in this email... That cool list of questions someone posed, and then... well just read through the email or whatever. No actually.. I think I'll post one thing in this email,a nd one in the other just so you know they're separate. Okee... questions things... 1.) What was the first Liz Phair song you heard? - I guess I don't really know... my friend used to always play _Exile_ when I was around, but it didn't actually affect me at all at that point. The song that ran thru my head that made me buy Exile was one that's not my super fave or anything: Never Said. 2.) How did it come about? (Radio, magazine,TV, Lilith...) -My head? Or my friend's initial CD. 3.) What do you feel is the quintessential Liz song? -Divorce Song 4.) What is your favorite Liz song (Different question, at least for me) -I'd probably say... Divorce Song and May Queen? I really actually can't answer that. NEvermind. 5.) What's the first Liz video you saw? -I haven't really seen many Liz videos. THey're not on very often, ya know? 6.) What's your fave Liz video? -See above 7.) Do you have a favorite Liz talk show appearance? No, none were all too fascinating or anything. Liz seems to be a little camera shy, so what? Who isn't? I hate the fucking camera. I guess it's cool she gets jiggy wit' it on Rosie, but that performance bit, mostly cuz they fucking made her play an edited version of the song. That's lame. 8.) How many times have you seen her live? (Details encouraged, I've been a fan since EIG but STILL haven't seen her live yet.) -5ive. Boston area was a goldmine for shows last year. Good thing I didn't transfer from my old school a year earlier. Altho I guess Chi-town area was a good area to be in too last year, but I'm like 4 hrs from Guyville and it would take me a while to get there. In boston I was less than a 20 Min. subway ride from three liz shows, 30 min. bus ride from one, and Hour greyhound ride from anohter. Good deal. 9.) Have you ever met her? More details, please... -Yup. Boston, November 30, 1998. Janet Rains snuck me into the show and backstage. Umm told her the dumb story about the garden of ewoks. Isn't that crazy? I told her that story. Heh heh. 10.) What is your prize Liz possession? -Lyric sheet with Allison and Believer transribed by hand by liz. C'est tout. ... til the next email. Later, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:44:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: PaRt TWO: The meat *Actually yes I do. I'm not really in the habit of *saying things that I don't mean. - -Oh good, bipolar boy's feathers have been ruffled. Umm okay why do you think I'm out to get you? Why are you always on the defensive with me? What sucks about submitting emails or writing or whatever to someone who doesn't know you personally is that there are so many things that can influence a statement made in an email. There is no "sarcastic tone" in email. At least on Pine. All the characters are in the same font, same size, no italics, no bold, etc. Things can be easily misconstrued. I think you've fallen into that trap, mr joyner.Wait this isn't to say that mine email (very shakespeare, nicole) was sarcastic, that was just one example. There is no inflection in an email. A phrase can be so different depending on the tone of voice. Ithink you're just reading into something that shoulnd't be read into. Well with that said, I won't reply to the rest of your email. The reason I asked those questions, tho, for you do deserve the _correct_ explanation, I guess -Because I always felt kind of bad about shitting on Janet. Everyone else seemed to like her a lot,b ut I just didn't necessarily like her voice. At least not with Liz's. Okay to get to the real root of the problem, I've always felt like kind of an outcast in situations, and I don't really necessarily believe the term "unique" has positive connotations all the time. The word "weird" definitely doesn't. Anyway, so I don't LIKE being the outkast, so I was wondering if anyone else felt the way I felt, to see if I wasn't so "unique" or whatever? Yes, it's weak not to be able to accept yourself as different, but I'm weak. I don't like laying myself out for all to see right here, but I do have to set the record straight so that maybe if other people misinterpreted my post too, they'll see this one and realize my intentions. So anyway, I just wanted to see if anyone else didn't like Janet's voice with Liz's. That's all! I wanted to know because I wanted to know that I WASN'T alone in this world. It's a bad feeling if you feel like you're the only one who does something. I mean maybe yeah you're doing the one thing that's going to be the coolest thing, but maybe not! Okay but now I realize how dumb that is I really shouldn't care what other people think as long as I think what I think. If that makes any sense. No for real if I have an opinion, I have an opinion No I was right the first time. I've got to look at things from other people's perspectives, cuz otherwise I'd just be closed minded. SO what' I'm saying is, I asked because I want to hear what people LIKE about Janet, so maybe I can look harder for it next time. EXCUSE this email's stream-of-consciousness ness. But that's what it wuz. So Robert, the moral of the story is, I'm not ever going to respond to anything you ever write again, because you take it as a personal attack and then proceed to stand me up in front of all of the support-system mailing list's members and attack all aspects of mypersonality that you think you know. Sorry about the bitter ending, but it just f'n frustrates me when people don't know me and prejudge me. Like when people just *think* they f'n know me,a nd think they have me figured out, but it's this totally false pic of me they have. UGH! LATER, sorry bout the prolificniss. Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:21:25 EST From: DiskoBoy23@aol.com Subject: NEW RECORD FROM LIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just wanted to let everybody know Liz is in the studio and should have a new record by late spring early summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: poll and Being John Malkovitch 1.) What was the first Liz Phair song you heard? Supernova 2.) How did it come about? (Radio, magazine, TV,Lilith...) Saw the video on MTV at my best friends house 3.) What do you feel is the quintessential Liz song? The song that belongs in a time capsule, that sort ofthing... Definately Stratford for the songwriting alone 4.) What is your favorite Liz song Stratford again 5.) What's the first Liz video you saw? Supernova 6.) What's your fave Liz video? Supernova is the first video I saw and is also my favorite. Although Never Said and Whip-Smart are also personal favs of mine. 7.) Do you have a favorite Liz talk show appearance? The all-time best however was when she was on JBTV out of Chicago. She didn't perform, but Liz was hilarious on that show and was going nuts running around the studio among other things. Probably on Letterman doing Supernova for the mainstream talk shows. 8.) How many times have you seen her live? (Details encouraged, I've been a fan since EIG but STILLhaven't seen her live yet.) I've seen her twice. First time seeing her was at the Lounge Ax on 3-14 of this year. The second was at the University of Chicago on 4-17 of this year as well. Both times were amazing, but I think my personal favorite was the Lounge Ax show. I have shitloads of details about both shows including personal pics of the show and pics taken WITH Liz afterwards on my web site at http://phairterritory.freeservers.com under the "My Liz Experiences" section. Yeah I know it's a shameless plug, but what can you do. =) 9.) Have you ever met her? More details, please... I've met her after both shows. Once again details are on my page, but I have to say she is very personable, and always goes out of her way to please fans who come up to her. She couldn't have been any more cooler both times I've met her. 10.) What is your prize Liz possession? Well, technically it's not Liz's but my Fender Music Master guitar I own, which is the same kind of guitar as the red one Liz plays. I also caught a drum stick from Mario (Liz's drummer) at the U of Chicago show. Other than that, probably the pic of me and Liz after the U of Chicago show. One other thing I had to say. I believed this was mentioned on the list before, but if anyone gets a chance to go see the movie "Being John Malkovitch"...GO SEE IT! I just saw it over the weekend, and it's probably one of the the best and most unique movies I've ever seen. Spike Jonez (director) is a geneous. Sorry, just had to get that in. Craig "AdRock" NP: Lucious Jackson - In Search of Many __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:38:39 EST From: YuriG2@aol.com Subject: Hearts In Atlantis I just noticed that Liz is mentioned in the Stephen King book Hearts In Atlantis. "Sully could sense the impatience all around him, but his was the only radio he could hear; everyone else was under glass, buttoned into their little air-conditioned cocoons, listening to a hundred different kinds of music, from Liz Phair to William Ackerman." I wonder if Mr. King is a fan? Sorry if this has already been mentioned on the list. Cheers ~ Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Subject: Biff Naked >"M.L. Magdalene" WROTE: >Somebody mentioned Bif Naked. Am i the only one who thinks this woman >sounds JUST LIKE that annoying twit from No Doubt? Double suicide? > I've loved Biff Naked since her self-titled debut - I think the song (which was a single at the time..um..95 or 96 i believe) "Daddy's Getting Married" is one of the COOLEST songs of the 90's..and her first album is amazing.. Going by the "Moment of Weakness" single..ya..i can see the No Doubt comparrison..but she really is much more textured than No Doubt. She has amazing ballads, crazy ass punk-ish songs, pure rock songs, complete dance-club songs - but it's actually worth a listen....she's really innovative..her newest album "I Bifficus" which was released like, almost 2 years ago, is incredible...but i highly recommend her first one. SHe is really serious, demonstrates very crafty song-writing - and she has a complete sense of humor ont top of it all...she's just a talented gal having a blast. Her middle-album which is all spoken word poetry - can be left for the vultures. She should stick to songs..her poetry leaves something to be desired. But - check her out, because she is really worth it - and once you hear her albums - you'll know she's a faaaaar cry from Gwen Stefani.. Sunday morning, Dan. NP: DAVID BOWIE: "Hours..." (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)*(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) "In the glories of the 80's, you said 'the end is nothing to fear,' I said: 'Blow the end -nowbaby- who do I gotta shag to get out of here?'" -Tori Amos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:53:14 EST From: RocketBoyD@aol.com Subject: POLL > 1.) What was the first Liz Phair song you heard? Supernova > 2.) How did it come about? Saw Supernova video on MTV. Read wonderful reviews of EIG and Whip-Smart, and bought them both when I found them in the bargain bin of a local cd store. > 3.) What do you feel is the quintessential Liz song? Divorce Song > 4.) What is your favorite Liz song? What Makes You Happy > 5.) What's the first Liz video you saw? Supernova > 6.) What's your fave Liz video? Polyester Bride, so far..... > 7.) Do you have a favorite Liz talk show appearance? I've only seen her on Jay Leno in 98 > 8.) How many times have you seen her live? Had a front row center seat last fall and was devestated when she canceled > 9.) Have you ever met her? I wish! > 10.) What is your prize Liz possession? A copy of Chinny-Chin Chin: 4 NY bands that I found at a local cd store for 5 bucks there you go............. PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: response to my own earlier post... I just wanted to say that... the long post I made earlier about why I posted about Janet, blah blah blah, was made stoned. However, I read back over it and I realize that hey! I can write when I'm stoned! So I dont' take back that post, except for I realize I am getting myself into a sticky situation because I'm sure people can say that I'm being hypocritical in various parts of the post. BLAH! I know... two wrongs don't make a right. So when I said that oh... so-and-so always picks apart my personality for SS, and i hate it when people prejudge me without knowing me, I guess people could say that I'm doing the same with Robert, because I'm *assuming* all these things... and making a bunch of statements that I imagine to be true, that may not be. but I'm basing them on... valid things, I think. So okay, fine, whatever, maybe I'm just as much guilty. Because of this, I shall rephrase what I said: I hate it when people prejudge me and assign VERY negative aspects to my personality that aren't true. I hate when people jump the gun just cuz they have some weird impression of me that, by the way, I know not the roots of. If people wanna like... speculate about some part of my personality, make sure yr not thinking I'm a horrible horrible person, and don't proceed to tell everyone that I'm a horrible person. Ax me first. Don't "AX" me, but like, the vernacular of "ask". Okay and the reason, again, why I bring this to the entire mailing list is because well I've been defamed in front of the entire list, so now my defense has to go where everyone can see it, not just the perosn who defamed me. Bye, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #343 ************************************