From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #338 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ... [Momus ] Liz on Sopranos, converting, aussie radio ["Sally Mae" ] lesser known female artists [Craig King ] Sardina ["Allison ." ] women artists [Aaron Hunter ] Hello.......huge favor to ask of list! Please just listen.... [Nelsewhere] Re: women artists [Soul Full ] Check out chick singers rule [TADude9999@aol.com] Second Aimee Mann article [Jason Long ] Random blatherings [DeadShark@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:43:16 -0800 From: Momus Subject: ... uh hum... >Here are my favorite tunes of the decade. I take it >you mean it could be any tune off of any album that >came out that year and not just singles. ...you can use each artist ONE time only, thus metallica in 91 would eliminate metallica in 97 as a choice and stp in 92 would eliminate stp in 94. its just too damned easy to to pick out ten tunes. ok, lets look at the list again: >1990 - If There Was A Way - Dwight Yoakam >1991 - Aneurysm - Nirvana >1992 - Dress - P J Harvey >1993 - Into Dust - Mazzy Star >1994 - Loser - Beck >1995 - Queer - Garbage >1996 - Life Is Sweet/Afterlife - Maria Mckee >1997 - One More Hour - Sleater-Kinney >1998 - Polyester Bride - Liz Phair >1999 - Big In Japan - Tom Waits now c'mon! you noticed the lack of duplicate artists, right? do you REALLY think these are my absolute top ten choices for the decade? doubt that! for instance (go with it), suppose that i had really preferred 6'1 over 'into dust' for the year of '93 (and it was a close call)? then i would not have been able to use polybride in 98. as a matter of fact, had i not used a nirvana tune in 91, both 6'1 and into dust would have been banished from the list in favor of 'heart shaped box'. got it? >but you haven,t truly lost your mind untilo you spend >five years in vancouver with a car that only has am >radio. ...no no no...you haven't REALLY lost your mind until you've lost your spell check program... >check out http://wber.monroe.edu - trust me if you >have real audio to check it out, you will definately >like it... ...i'll have to check, but i don't think real audio came with my auto stereo. but many thank yous to whomever posted the napster tip (sorry...i am shit with names...hence the reason i only use three letters in my own). yano, i had downloaded the napster program way back and never realized just what it was until you pointed it out. thanx. - -- "He hates these cans!" - Navin R. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:39:36 -0800 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Liz on Sopranos, converting, aussie radio According to my friend, on the show Soparonas, Tony Soparona(?) was hearing or telling his uncle(?) the story in South Dakota. I didn't know this was a story, I thought Liz just made it up! I hope to be converting someone who likes Polyester Bride soon and a guy in one of my classes at school has this quote book of women in rock and he says it has some Liz quotes in it so some Liz quotes soon! I feel sorry for you people with crap radio, Australia has the best radio station in the world, that is Triple J. It only plays alternative stuff, lots of international and aussie stuff, it discovers aussie bands and it kicks arse! You can listen to it at http://www.abc.net.au/triplej. Also, I've heard that the cK ads with Shirley, Melissa and Brian have them with no makeup on so why did Liz have to wear makeup? That's it for now, Sally "Oooh...look at our dark sexuality AND I look a bit androgynous. How alternative!" Brian Molko *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Connolly Subject: Re: Women artists lists > From: Nach1120@aol.com > Subject: women artists. Christine requested: > ... also if you can > recommend any certain song by an artist that would > be much appreciated also, thanks Then I said: My turn *Debra Coleman - blues guitarist extroirdinaire (sp?) *Indigo Girls - "Compromise" from _Come On Now Social_ *Fleming & John - "I'm So Small" and "Sssh" from _The Way We Are_ (Fleming is the lyricist) *Lisa Loeb - "Stay" (yeah, really sappy, but I love it) *Juliana Hatfield - "Swan Song" (about the only cut from _Bed_ I can recommend) * Kate Bush - start with _The Whole Story_, but I agree whole-heartedly with the aforementioned _Sensual World_ I'm sure I could think of more with enough time, but I'll end it here. As for Mr-E's suggestion for Songs of Each Year of This Decade.... NFW! NP: Collapsis _Dirty Wake_ ===== Mike Connolly Virginia Beach "As I'm growing older I'm bored I remember when misery thrilled me much more." - "Video", Ben Folds Five __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: lesser known female artists >>a friend of mine and i want to do a radio show next semester of all women artists the only problem is, this being a weekly show, we are afraid that we will run out of material to use. we already have a bit of a list of women to use, but of course the all knowing music gods of this list will be able to share some lesser- known femaileartists...please!!! also if you can recommend any certain song by an artist that would be much appreciated<< Here's a few off the top of my head: Shannon Curfman - True Friends Drain STH - Simon Says The Pixies (Kim Deal's old band) - Bone Machine Craig "AdRock" NP: The Doors - L.A. Woman ==================================================== And all the tangerines They taste like jelly beans This must be boring by now Grab a scale and guess the weight of all the pain I've given with my name I'm a selfish piece of shit - Scott Weiland ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:12:31 EST From: "Allison ." Subject: Sardina Hi All- Are there any Sardina fans out there? I'm looking for early stuff- the stuff released on 45s. Would anyone be willing to trade for a copy or does anyone know where I could get it? Allison ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:39 -0500 From: Aaron Hunter Subject: women artists Christine writes: a friend of mine and i want to do a radio show next semester of all women artists the only problem is, this being a weekly show, we are afraid that we will run out of material to use. we already have a bit of a list of women to use, but of course the all knowing music gods of this list will be able to share some lesser- known femaile artists...please!!! also if you can recommend any certain song by an artist that would be much appreciated also, thanks Many women have been covered in previous responses . . . here are a few more (some are not all-women bands, but bands w/women singers): Boss Hog Poe (her album "Hello" is better than the radio-fied singles might lead you to believe) Katell Keineg (especially her 2nd album "Jet"--everyone should check it out; it is amazing) The Pretenders bettie serveert Lucinda Williams The Breeders (check out their 1st album "Pod"--I think it is better than "Last Splash") Richard and Linda Thompson (the songs she sings are amazing--"Shoot out the Lights"; "I want to see the bright lights tonight") Syd Straw and some oldies: Laverne Baker Bessie Smith Billie Holiday Eartha Kitt (holy cow! does she smoke it!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:39:04 EST From: Nelsewhere@aol.com Subject: Hello.......huge favor to ask of list! Please just listen.... Okay I am looking into getting Whitechocolatedemos cd set and I am in no mood to pay $50 at eBay......therefore, if anyone has this, please, please, please, please(okay, you are thinking enough with the pleases, unless you have it, then you are thinking, "grovel") please! e-mail me! I have little of worth when it comes to trading, truly near nothing, except one of the best quatity full "Girlysound" on tape I have seen. So to all that have it, please, i beg of you might phairites and lizlovers, email, maybe we can set up of a trade! and to all those interested in a good copy of "Girly" then email me, i do blanks, other artists, and other liz. So please, find it in your heart to taunt me with your cd or tape set of Whitechocolatedemos, and even maybe copy them! Please! The Freak of Nature himself Nick............. "Dont fear love, only heartbreak....." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: Soul Full Subject: Re: women artists I've been waiting on this and trying not cover those who have been, but sorry if I do: Schascle-The hard-to-find live album over the slickly produced Can't Get Love with Money (which still can't hide her talent) Maria McKee - with and without Lone Justice Maggie Estep - No More Mister Nice Girl (The Stupid Jerk I'm Obsessed with is sheer genius) Joan Osborne - Relish and Early Recordings Garbage - Shirley Manson has some things to say! - self-titled first album and Version 2.0 are both great No Doubt - so does Gwen Stefani - Tragic Kingdom Kristen Vigard - self-titled album Eddi Reader - self-titled album - also "Nobody Lives without Love" from the Batman Forever soundtrack Beth Orton - Trailer Park Fiona Apple - she really is a talent; both albums Tori Amos - Boys for Pele; Little Earthquakes That's probably enough out of me. Hope this helps.. paige- ===== From "Guinevere": "You're crazy" - Harper (Sarah Polley) "Yeah, but it works!" - Connie (Stephen Rea) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:14:02 EST From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Check out chick singers rule Hey,if you get a free minute go to the following link and vote for Liz as the Broccoli Spears army is trying to beat her and are getting close. Thanks TAD Click here: chick singers rule ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:32:20 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Second Aimee Mann article Hey everyone, Here's the second of the two articles on Aimee from last week's Billboard -- enjoy! Cheers, Jase ******** WITH HER SUPEREGO LABEL'S SOLO SET, MANN DOES IT HERSELF NEW YORK -- Like many artists burned by record company politics, critically acclaimed singer/songwriter Aimee Mann is doing it for herself with her latest album, "Bachelor No. 2," which will initially be made available only via the artist's Web site. Observers note that attention for the album is likely to be bolstered by Mann's performance on the Reprise soundtrack to the film "Magnolia," which includes some of the same tracks featured on her solo album. The much-acclaimed singer/songwriter has seen her share of record company-related woes since striking out on a solo career following the demise of 'Til Tuesday, the late-'80s, Boston-based group she fronted, which is known for the hit "Voices Carry." Her critically hailed solo debut album, "Whatever," came on in 1993 on Imago Records, which lost its distribution deal with BMG the next year. Her follow-up album, "I'm With Stupid," came out three years later on DGC/Geffen. That label also re-released "Whatever." According to SoundScan, "Whatever" has sold 130,000 units, while "I'm With Stupid" has sold 97,000. When DGC/Geffen was absorbed by Interscope earlier this year during the PolyGram/Universal merger, Mann, who was well into recording her third solo album project, was dropped. But out of deep disappointment came hope, as the unsigned Mann, now living in Los Angeles, reaped a New York Times Magazine feature in July that detailed her clash with Interscope oever the progress of "Bachelor No. 2" (Billboard, Sept. 25). Mann acquired the rights to the unreleased Geffen album and is releasing it on her own SuperEgo Records label next month. The 13-track "Bachelor No. 2" includes the song "Nothing Is Good Enough," an instrumental version of which appears on the soundtrack to "Magnolia." Three other soundtrack cuts -- "Deathly," "Driving Sideways," and "You Do" -- are also on her solo disc. Included, too, is "(The Fall Of The World's Own) Optimist," which Mann co-wrote with past collaborator Elvis Costello. Material from "Bachelor No. 2" has previously surfaced on a limited seven-song "preview edition" EP, 2,500 copies of which were pressed and sold by Mann at her recent summer acoustic-tour gigs at $10 a pop. But even then, in keeping with her bad luck, that tour had unbelievably bad moments. "It was 'The Tour Of The Almost Violent, Horrible Maiming Death," says Mann. "Four of us were driving through Michigan in our van at about 70 miles per hour, and a drunk driver going 100 rammed into us while trying to pass. We fishtailed and slid off the road and flipped over three times -- but we played that night. Then the car we had to rent got hit by lightning the next day." On the plus side, though, Mann discovered a major benefit of going it alone. "Half of the people who come to the shows will buy a record, which is shocking," says the Frank Riley-booked artist. "And I get to keep the money, even though it's not all that many [units sold]. So it's much more satisfying, and I don't mind so much the work of touring." "Bachelor No. 2," she notes, isn't as electric guitar-based as "I'm With Stupid." "I was going for a vintage Dionne Warwick sound on [album tracks] 'Satellite' and 'Nothing's Good Enough,' but I didn't really hit the mark." [Note from Jase: Before this scares anyone off, I don't think that by "vintage Dionne Warwick" Aimee means "That's What Friends Are For." As someone who's heard these tracks, I believe Aimee is referring to Warwick's '60s Bacharach-penned material.] Mann, who is published by Aimee Mann Music (ASCAP), adds that there are songs on the album that deal with "the state of being single and not dating, or dating with the impossibility of ever really having a successful relationship," though she characterizes her current relationship with husband Michael Penn as "great." "Deathly," deals with "having a crush on someone but knowing it's impossible to see it through under any situation -- so it can't really get started." According to Mann's manager, former 'Til Tuesday drummer Michael Hausman, "Bachelor No. 2" will be available initially through Mann's aimeemann.com Web site, with fulfillment via artistdirect.com. Musicblitz.com will handle marketing and promotion, he says, while myplay.com will offer a free download of the track "Momentum." Liquid Audio is involved in additional Internet promotion. Hausman says traditional distribution is also in the works, and there will be direct sales to retailers as well. Touring in December will include performances the first three Tuesdays at Los Angeles club Cafe Largo, where Mann has previously established residency. Tour stops next year will include New York in late January, perhaps in an off-Broadway theater location. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:03:46 EST From: DeadShark@aol.com Subject: Random blatherings Katie Brown wrote: > well i need to write up my replies to Nora's q's... Nora it was good to see > your post... i had heard lots about you from Jase but i don't think i've > ever seen you post before! nice questions though, sister. Thanks, Katie! I've heard lots about you, as well! I don't post very often because I usually vent/discuss/slander/joyfully laud all things list related in #wcse. ;) You should stop by sometime! :) And as for all of the replies to the questions I posted... thanks for sharing your thoughts everyone. I enjoyed reading them! I'd answer some of them, but I just hate repeating myself. ;) Well, except when it comes to music... (how's that for a segue) I'd like to talk about Aimee Mann for a second. Jase, our friend and list papa, is hard at work on his one man Aimee awareness campaign. Word of mouth is a powerful tool. If all of the Aimee fans(and even some of the non-fans... who knew there could be such a thing? ;)) on this list were to spread the word about her upcoming releases, she could have a hit on her hands. And there are only a few who deserve it more than Aimee, imho. So to wrap this up... a recommendation to a friend, a mention in a post to a mailing list, a p.s. in a note to the person you're stalking, would all be beneficial. :) Oh and buy the Magnolia soundtrack and Bachelor # 2. ;) I could also go on and on about the benefits of supporting other artists whom I deem worthy, but I'll spare you all. ;) Love and support XTC, Neil Finn, Tim Finn, Jen Trynin, Jason Falkner, etc..., Nora p.s. Ok, so I lied. ;) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #338 ************************************