From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #330 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- i do declare, i can float in the air , yo dude hes the stallion [Bigger] Vacationing & Liz [Shelly ] "hello...is there anybody IN there...?" ["Dana Polachowski" ] Liz Was Here ["Katie Brown" ] blissful ["Nicole W." ] Discovery Channel promoting Liz? ["Nicole W." ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Johnny [Jason Long ] i'm a bitch, i'm a blah blah, balh blah balh blah, [Momus ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:40:26 EST From: Biggerd000@aol.com Subject: i do declare, i can float in the air , yo dude hes the stallion well the radio is great here i am not into radio all that much but luckly for me there is a college radio station that is ran by the students so i get to hear awesome bands like modest mouse , neutral milk hotel, liz phair, pavement , and what have you. and say there is a day where they are playin rap for a hour show or somethin i can spin my radio dial over to the oldies station to hear some buddy holly, the beatles, some motown, just some good radio in my opiniion. well peace and chicken grease ignorantly, dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:53:49 -0800 From: Shelly Subject: Vacationing & Liz Just reeling over the fact that Liz Phair herself may very well have posted to a listing about her...wow! I'm vacationing this week...which really means doing loads and loads of housework & rediscovering music I haven't listened to in awhile. The new mix in my 25 disc player reads as follows (I've not filled it yet...): 1. Girlysounds ~Liz Phair (disc 1) 2. Girlysounds ~Liz Phair (disc 2) 3. Ace ~Bob Weir 4. Odelay ~Beck 5. Ill Communicato ~Beastie Boys 6. Goo ~Sonic Youth 7. Circa ~Mary's Danish 8. Hot Rocks ~Sleater-Kinney 9. Dig Me Out ~Sleater-Kinney 10. WCSE ~Liz Phair 11. Juvenilia ~Liz Phair 13. Music From the Edge of Heaven ~Wham! 14. American Beauty ~Grateful Dead 15. If There Was a Way ~Dwight Yokum 16. "Pulp Fiction" Soundtrack 17. Come on Over ~Mary Chapin Carpenter 18. Stones in the Road ~Mary Chapin Carpenter 19. Achtung Baby ~U2 I'm still working on filling it...since it will be on non~stop rotation for the next four or five days. Really, I'm just looking forward to re~listening to the Girlysound demos...and I'm sure I'll break down & throw in "Exile...", even though I was trying to include only CD's I haven't listened to for at least a month...what's a girl to do? I'm weak, I admit it. ~gunshy~ Shelly NP: Girlysounds, disc one "Whip Smart" ~Ms. Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:15:21 -0800 From: "Dana Polachowski" Subject: "hello...is there anybody IN there...?" okay... so, where'd everyone go....? i thought that was kind of funny that only two or three people posted after our official liz sighting.... and--wow, check this out--i've had a huge sleater-kinney breakthrough!!....i got the "matador 10-year anniversary" CD and really dig the S-K selections on it. woo-hoo! i did it!! i also noticed that whoever is singing sounds a lot like belinda carlisle.... god, i'm a bitch.... still picking up the fragments of my blown mind from "hedwig".... note to liz: if you're in LA right now, go see this show. it's at the henry fonda theater. it's pretty fucking cool. dp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:15:27 EST From: Msmrizing2@aol.com Subject: recording Since someone mentioned it, i was the one that posted a long time ago that said she was spotted coming out of a chicago studio. This was about 2 or 3 months ago, but my best friend's next door neighbor was going into a studio to record and as he went in liz came out. he couldnt wait to rub it in my face. hope that clarifys \katie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: Meow Grrl Subject: the list is now the lizst wow ... surreality, oh YEAH ... to get into work, check my mail, and find out that on Friday, Liz herself was very likely typing for my very eyes. OK, I'm sure there will be more of this so I'll say only one thing. Did anyone notice that in the Guyville list, she closed the note with "Good bye." On Support System, she wrote: "Till next time." If she changed it (can anyone compare times?), my god but does that sound promising to us lowly folk. sandra ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:41:57 PST From: "Katie Brown" Subject: Liz Was Here Liz Was Here... i bet she has spray painted those words at some point in her life... unfortunatley i have to make this quick because so i'm not late for my crazy step and yoga classes... damn time change is still screwing me up... ~~~~~~~~ re: liz & cat power ~~~~~~~~ funny story catherine, this girl i met at the 10-6-98 show at Avalon in Boston went backstage and asked liz about cat power and apparently liz said "WHO'S cat power?" and the girl (who's name is Elizaebth and i haven't seen her around in ages) is a big cat power fan and was so pissed that Liz said that! pissed to the point that she skipped the 12-1 show at Avalon. ~~~~~~~~~~ Mesmerizing Katie, hello and yes i am still here! didn't post for a month or so, but i'm still here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Liz was here well i was skeptical at first but that was real! damn! can i get a "woohoo!" ????? i mean, we know that peeps have faked email address on the list before but i don't this was that. i guess we won't really know until we hear that song... but i think it was Liz. I think she posted, but i don't think she's reading the digests. but just in case... you know i have to say... **** thank you LIZ ***** for allowing me to sing flower with you at the Lounge Ax! and sorry if i squeezed you too hard but i was so nervous and i felt like i was towering over you. ****end of note to Liz who is not reading this****** well i need to write up my replies to Nora's q's... Nora it was good to see your post... i had heard lots about you from Jase but i don't think i've ever seen you post before! nice questions though, sister. later all katiebrown <(:D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: blissful If ever you find yourself having to walk like a mile in the dark, by your lonesome, in a cold midwestern pre-winter (or winter will probably work), here's a good thing to do: Listen to _Exile in Guyville_ on "random" (if you have a cd player). It's like... pretty amazing. I'm glad I took Exile out of its usual context. I mean I usually listen to it just in my room or whatever. The other day I listened to it in the daytime on a walk on random, and it was great, but the nighttime thing was very cool too. I recommend it. I recommend taking your CDs out of their usual context. Enlightening. Me, I can't quite believe that we were graced by Liz's presence on here. If it IS a hoax, we'll find out eventually, ya know? Like when an album comes out, if there's no such song as ... My Mistake, and there never was, we'll know. I don't mind living under an illusion for now, it's damned cool to think Liz possibly posted to SS. And furthermore, Liz... if you're around... since I'm writing to a mailing list that is like, dedicated to you, and I'm really supposed to be doing Statistics homework, could you write me a note excusing me from the assignment? How about the rest of the course? How could my college dispute a letter from Liz Phair stating that I couldn't do Stats cuz I was busy working on things Liz? Yeah, well I doubt she's still around. Here is my only problem: Liz seems fairly computer illiterate. How was she able to get all the way to support system? Maybe Luke Wood is subscribed to SS. However, the message sent from his email bounced. Maybe he's subscribed from a different addy. Well that's cool, then. Otherwise, it's kind of involved getting to the SS archives. But maybe I should stop reading into this. Take it for what it is. But I'm a skeptic by nature. Tis why I'm "agnostic", after all. Oh bah! Banish me from the list! I'm ruining everyone's time. Well if nothing else, it has livened up a kind of... dead at the moment list. Well fine then, I'm audi 5000. Ohhh... Nora... your questions on that one digest were really good. But I deleted that digest by accident and now I don't remember them so I can't answer them. But i remember I was impressed. I miss the days when I could spend hours in #wcse. For the record, I do stop in every once in a while, but no one's there and I leave rright away. rrrright away. Grrrrrreat! I potentially *could* spend hours on teh computer, but I just don't do anything. Except now I have a job, so I guess I'll be doing that. Babies! i worked today. You know, babies don't do much besides sleep. It's kind of boring. Oh well. LLLLAAAAAATER, Nicole P.S. If anyone has been trying to access my website (WHICH HAS MOVED, KEN M. LEE I POSTED IT HERE ONCE... NO TWICE... FOR THE RECORD. -- so this is the 3rd time. New URL: http://www.crosswinds.net/~inhiding) and it hasn't worked, well apparently right when I switched web servers, this new one decided ot like be doing some kind of major switching of their shit, so my site comes and goes. I don't konw when their act will be together. Sigh. What if like... Liz tried to visit my site and it was down? Bleh. Well I mean, it would just be cool if she saw my site. In it's ugliness. Hmmph. Anyway, also this means I hven't been able to EDIT my site for at least a week. And still going. Okay. So I can't add anything new for the time bieng, including poll results, news, blah blah blah. Bye again. * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Discovery Channel promoting Liz? Okay! I'm convinced the Discovery Channel has a secret agenda to promote Liz Phair. I posted a few days back about how I was watching Discovery and they showed a road sign for "Alice Springs." Well I was just watching it again (in the same person's room-- I don't usually watch Discovery cuz I hate nature shows, but the one he is watching is about spontaneous combustion) and there was a road sign for... Crater Lake! I guess it's in Oregon or something. Cuz they were talking about some murder case that took place in Oregon and they showed the sign that said "Crater Lake". I never knew Crater Lake was real. I guess I should have figured, but I just thought it was Liz talking about the moon. It was her artistic way of referring to the moon. I dunno. But isn't that cool that such a geeky channel is pro-Liz (it just /has/ to be intentional! ;) ) ? I thought so too. And I STILL haven't started my Stats. UGH! Je le deteste! See yas... - -Nicole "I Spy a May Queen of the Obvious" W. * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:59:05 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Dennis J. Kim" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #328 Jase said: >Oh, and Liz, if you're by chance reading this, I'm sorry that your message >bounced on its way to the list. I personally think you should chew her out for bouncing a message :> She couldn't possibly have been reading this list for long without catching one of Jase's bounced-message lectures :> And the lyrics sound very Liz-like. If it's a forgery, the guy should start writing songs. - -_-_-_- Dennis J. Kim djkim2@eos.ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:59:46 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Michael Carapella" Subject: Liz e-mail Liz' communication is quite interesting. It's about what I expected knowing that eventually she would have to somehow acknowledge all the cyber-info about her out there. So she hops on an available computer and I'm sure poor Luke will have to change his e-mail address now. Anyway, I hope she sends more and does some LA shows. That would be the coolest. I've always assumed she had some access to our list or at the very least the web-sites. As far as tailoring or censoring what we write since she may see it--I can't imagine why. Some people maybe--but Liz? Come on! She's rivaled only by Howard Stern for speaking what's on her mind no matter what. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:01:17 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Help Me Mary "Help Me Mary" tab -- nobody asked for it, so here it is. Intro/outro riff 1 [x3] e|--0------0----0----9----10 B|--7-----9----0----0----0 G|--7-----9----9----9----9 D|--0-----0----9-----9----9 A|--0------0----0----0----0 E|--0------0----0----0----0 Intro/outro riff 2 [x1] e|--0----0-----0-----0-----0 B|--7----9-----0-----0-----0 G|--7----9-----8-----6-----1 D|--0----0-----9-----7-----2 A|--0-----0----9-----7-----2 E|--0-----0-----0----0-----0 verse chords: A "B riff" e|--0-----0^4/0^2/0^2--| B|--2-----0---------------| G|--2-----4--------------| D|--2-----4---------------| A|--0-----0----------------| E|--x------x----------------| E A B riff 2 e|--0----0-----0 B|--0----2-----4 G|--1----2-----4 D|--2----2-----4 A|--2----0-----2 E|--0----x-----x/2^4/2/x A1 B1 e|--0-----0 B|--0-----0 G|--6-----6 D|--7-----9 A|--7------9 E|--5------7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:01:53 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Help Me Mary, take 2 Ignore the half-finished tab I accidentally sent earlier. Die, send button, die! Capo 1st fret to match album version; capo 2nd fret to match solo electric performances (as I did).   Intro/outro riff 1 [x3] e|--0------0----0----9----10 B|--7-----9----0----0----0 G|--7-----9----9----9----9 D|--0-----0----9-----9----9 A|--0------0----0----0----0 E|--0------0----0----0----0 Intro/outro riff 2 [x1] e|--0----0-----0-----0-----0 B|--7----9-----0-----0-----0 G|--7----9-----8-----6-----1 D|--0----0-----9-----7-----2 A|--0-----0----9-----7-----2 E|--0-----0-----0----0-----0 verse chords:    A       "B riff" e|--0-----0^4/0^2/0^2--| B|--2-----0---------------| G|--2-----4--------------| D|--2-----4---------------| A|--0-----0----------------| E|--x------x----------------|      E     A     B riff 2 e|--0----0-----0 B|--0----2-----4 G|--1----2-----4 D|--2----2-----4 A|--2----0-----2 E|--0----x-----x/2^4/2/x       A1     B1 e|--0-----0 B|--0-----0 G|--6-----6 D|--7-----9 A|--7------9 E|--5------7 D G A riff e|--2-----3-----0 B|--3-----3-----2 G|--2-----0-----2 D|--0-----x-----2 A|--0-----x-----2 E|--x-----x-----x^2/0/X A B riff Help me Mary, please I've lost my home to thieves They bully the stereo and drink They leave suspicious stains in the sink E A B riff 2 They make rude remarks about me They wonder just how wild I would be A1 B1 As they egg me on and keep me mad E A1 B1 They play me like a pitbull in a basement and for that [Same thing again for the 2nd verse] D G A riff I'm asking you, Mary, please Temper my hatred with peace Weave my disgust into fame Intro/outro riff 1 [x3] And watch how fast they run to the flame Intro/outro riff 2 [x1] I really hope this all makes sense. I tried to follow tab king Ray Lew's technique, and although it looks nice on my monitor right now, I'm sure it'll be all fucked up when the digest goes out. So if there are any questions, ask me and I'll explain it better. I made up the chord names, and I know nothing about tabs (I can barely understand them myself, and here I am composing one!). This isn't "Liz Phair made easy for guitar," either. This is as accurate as I can get for this song, just watching a solo electric boot and saying to myself "Yes, that's it exactly!" So, yeah, it's the real deal. If I'm wrong about any notes, maybe Liz can set me straight. (Hi, Liz.) Yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:01:43 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Johnny Okay, I don't know why I hadn't thought of this sooner, especially after pondering whether the "John" in the lyrics to "My Mistake" is John Henderson, but might he also be "Johnny Feelgood?" The "all of those nights we spent together, I never had such a blast...." part sounds like it could be the same guy Liz describes in "Feelgood." I really doubt that he's also "Johnny Sunshine," though, since that was originally a Girly Sound song written before Liz knew Henderson. Or is there really only one Johnny and it's not him? Anyone care to speculate? Intrigued by the "Johnny" fixation and the fact that Liz has written another song about him, Jase NP: Aimee Mann, "Ray" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:10:03 -0800 From: Momus Subject: i'm a bitch, i'm a blah blah, balh blah balh blah, OTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOT...bet ya never expected it did ya? from the current issue of playb, uh...people regarding the latest release from meredith brooks: '...none of the other 11 quite grab your attention the way 'bitch' did. instead, brooks sings - in a slightly off-kilter, LIZ PHAIR style - mid-tempo rock lyrics that sound like rhyming journal jottings: "just get real / don't be a cosmic woo woo...let everybody deal." ...more interesting is the kato kaelin quote: "i always thought DNA stood for 'dude needs apartment' " sorry... shaken, never stirred MrE - -- "...I never bitched at anyone...I never asked for my heart back ...I'm loving everybody...and hating everyone I see..." Kristen Hersh ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #330 ************************************