From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #323 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 323 Today's Subjects: ----------------- moody post [Valerie Barry ] Quit Your Bitchin ["M.L. Magdalene" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #322 [Sarah May Scott ] liz's billboard [". ." ] thread thread thread lyric lyric lyric ["Katie Brown" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] December is Aimee Mann month [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 01:46:01 -0500 From: Valerie Barry Subject: moody post >Hey, but in '89, it sure did help me through my chicken pox while my friends >were all in school......... ...feeling old! i was graduating from high school then! >I posted articles recently so you're probably talking about me >but I did post articles instead of url's because some people >only have email access via telnet and don't have web access. ...hey moe! nothing personal (to anyone!), just a general comment. and, i thought of the *no web access thing* after i posted, but even then, interested parties could get the full text through personal email. it just sucks to scroll through a 33K digest of which a big chunk is an article you don't have time to read, and will probably forget to go back to. actually, most of the articles posted are very interesting, and provide information that most people here want, but they are often hard to deal with in list format (weird spacing, huge blocks of text, whatever). > GIRLS RULE..........TOP 30 THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT US!!! ...and forwarding chain letters to this list is *very* bad form, and i hope it was inadvertant! >Why didnt the skeleton go to the dance ? >He had NOBODY to bring with him. ...i laughed at that. full of piss & vinegar, and delerious to boot... valerie *********************************************************** "...well look at me i'm frightening my friends..." - -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:24:29 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Quit Your Bitchin >I don't think I'II be reading/posting anymore since all people seem >interested in is saying stuff like..."My parents used to listen to >Bing >Crosby blah, blah, blah" {ok ,maybe not those words exactly.} I don't think that is ALL we're interested in, but i'll tell you that I for one am not interested in you bitching about something that has already been discussed like WHY the list may be a bit "off-topic" right now. And, as i've stated before, isn't it better that we're discussing something "constructive" like albums we grew up listening to rather than the size of Ms. Morisettes ass? I would seriously re-evalute before i bitched if i were you. Hope everyone had a good Halloween. M "And everythings ok this side of town, It's better now that you are not around, Without the time to bother or to prove, You know that all my prayers are for you" ((Charles S. McVey)) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:32:32 -0500 From: Sarah May Scott Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #322 I heard a rumor that Liz toured with Phish? What's the word on this? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:39:04 EST From: ". ." Subject: liz's billboard Hey . Hope everyone had a good Halloween. I'm sorry if this is old news but I was in Chicago last week and there is another Liz billboard on the corner of Belmont and Sheffield. Didn't know if there were any list members who make it to Chicago often. Allison ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:50:45 PST From: "Katie Brown" Subject: thread thread thread lyric lyric lyric Her lyrics are the main component of my addiction, I believe... the lines that send me back to the early 90's smokin' dope with my sisters and wailing to Liz in my '86 Escort are these: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Once you've left a lonely rage on its own It grows and dynamite stuffed in a mailbox Doesn't smoke Until it blows I know all the tears in four tiny years Well look at me i'm frightening my friends You better roll me home LP, crater lake, _whip smart_ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ but my other two favorites are these from my Phairities discs: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am walking through my past Like a madman hoping to find a good list of reasons to know that I'm special to know that I'm different to know that I'm better Sometimes a Dream Is What Makes You a Slave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daylight catches me by surprise Almost every night and kicks my way another hole to sleep It started off slow It's picking up speed and it's gaining on me Like a Carnivore ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hope you're all doing well... later Katie Brown ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Soul Full Subject: Re: thread thread thread lyric lyric lyric I'm not sure what it is, but there was something about Katie's email that reminded me of Camden Joy's book The Last Rock Star. Anyone read it? I loved it - even though there are some holes you can drive a truck through... paige- - --- Katie Brown wrote: > Her lyrics are the main component of my addiction, I > believe... > > the lines that send me back to the early 90's > smokin' dope with my sisters > and wailing to Liz in my '86 Escort are these: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Once you've left a lonely rage on its own > It grows > and dynamite stuffed in a mailbox > Doesn't smoke > Until it blows > I know all the tears > in four tiny years > Well look at me i'm frightening my friends > You better roll me home > LP, crater lake, _whip smart_ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > but my other two favorites are these from my > Phairities discs: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am walking through my past > Like a madman hoping to find > a good list of reasons > to know that I'm special > to know that I'm different > to know that I'm better > Sometimes a Dream > Is What Makes You a Slave > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Daylight catches me by surprise > Almost every night > and kicks my way another hole > to sleep > It started off slow > It's picking up speed > and it's gaining on me > Like a Carnivore > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > hope you're all doing well... > > > later > > Katie Brown > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > ===== "Every day I crucify myself And my heart is sick of being in chains" Tori Amos - "Crucify" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:10:47 EST From: NegSplitz@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm your parents' list! As my 3 kids go through the teenage years, I note a growing affection for my old wine-stained LPs, deteriorating 4 and 8 track tapes and cassettes, mostly from the mid 60's and into the early 70's..Among my observations they seem to begrudgingly "borrow" Beatles (esp. Sgt. Pepper); Jimi Hendrix (Are You Experienced); Who's Next; Spirit; CSN&Y; Supremes; Smokey Robinson; 4 Tops (most of Motown!) Melanie; Joni Mitchell; Stones (Let It Bleed, etc); Pat Benatar; Clash; Cars..get it? Too many more to mention..Now they want all my Pixies stuff! Just waiting til they get into real punk and "word music" from the folk era..So little time, so much music! P.S. All 3 kids have seen Liz and they love her..and recently PJ Harvey, Sleater-Kinney; Beck; REM..Who says we oldies don't rock! My parents were the real "swingers" a la Big Band..and what do you know, it's back! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:00:28 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: posting articles to the list Moe wrote: >Valerie: >>i agree with nicole that links to >>articles, rather than full-text, should be posted to the list > >I posted articles recently so you're probably talking about me >but I did post articles instead of url's because some people >only have email access via telnet and don't have web access. This is part of why I've always posted full articles instead of just URLs. Another thing that I take into consideration is the fact that many sites only leave articles up for a limited amount of time, or change the location of the article once it's no longer part of their "current content" and has been moved into their archives. If we all were to start posting URLs only, if those who would have been interested didn't have a chance to check out the article right away, they might end up missing it completely or have to go to the effort of searching for it. Valerie Barry wrote: >it just >sucks to scroll through a 33K digest of which a big chunk is an article you >don't have time to read, and will probably forget to go back to. I can understand this, but right now there isn't a lot of traffic on the list, and many of these articles, such as the Christina Rees one, do spark a lot of discussion. I suspect that if only the URLs to articles were posted, not as many people would be as apt to take the effort to read them compared to if the article itself just been posted, and also that the articles would not generate nearly as much discussion. From what I've witnessed on other lists, if people read the articles off-list, usually no or very limited discussion of the piece will take place on the list afterwards. I can, however, foresee a problem with such long articles being posted if list activity increases to the point where we start having multiple digests per day again. At that time, some sort of guideline may have to be set; even though I am an advocate of scrolling and reading only what interests you and allowing people to post whatever they wish, I can understand how easy it is to feel overwhelmed by the sheer size and frequency of the digests during those times. I'm on one list right now that averages two or three digests a day and I find myself quite often deleting entire digests unread; it simply takes too much effort to try to keep up with the list and it ends up taking any enjoyment out of it for me. >actually, >most of the articles posted are very interesting, and provide information >that most people here want, but they are often hard to deal with in list >format (weird spacing, huge blocks of text, whatever). This I have a problem with as well. I always try to fix any formatting problems that occur when copying-and-pasting into an e-mail before I send any articles that I'm passing along to the list, and I do wish others would make an effort to do the same as well. Most people are actually really good about this, but there are occasional exceptions, and such messages are quite difficult to read; I usually end up skimming or skipping them because they take too much effort to read. One key thing is to consider the line-length of the article you're posting in its original form and the fact that most e-mail readers have a default of something like 70- or 80-characters per line. It may require a bit of effort for those posting articles to manually reformat them to such a standard, but it would be greatly appreciated by many, I'm sure. Anyway, just my two pennies; does anyone else have an opinion either way? Cheers, Jase NP: Matthew Sweet, _In Reverse_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:10:50 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Momus Subject: ... >hey pacific northwesterners...i'm going to seattle/olympia over >thanksgiving. what should i *not* miss? ...rain... - -- http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TheMomusReport ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:11:52 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: odonnell Subject: quasi > TMK > NP: Quasi, _Field Studies_ I'm going to see Quasi on saturday night at the Pontiac Grille in Philly, and am very excited!!! Met a boy who loves liz!!! I think he's a keeper! ~siobhan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:13:26 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Jason Stone Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #319 HEY, I've never posted here before, so it's nice to meet you all. I have been a big fan of Liz's for six years now and anticipate every new release since then. I saw somebody metioned they liked the "Yeah" part from "6'1''" That would be one of my two favorite Liz moments. The other one comes during the "shave and go to work" part of "Nashville." That gives me chills for some reason. OK, hope to chat with you people soon. JASON ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:57:02 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: December is Aimee Mann month tedford wrote: >Hey kids. Thought all you Aimee Mann fans out there >might be interested to know there's a little interview >with her in the new Details. Nothing enlightening or >anything, just some record company bashing Thanks for posting about the article; I would have missed it otherwise, and it was a good one. >and talk >about the new record (Oh where are you!) One of the Mannlist members is in contact with Aimee's manager on a regular basis and updates us on anything new that's happening. The most recent word was that they expect to have Aimee's album out by mid-December. If you're interested in checking them out, the lyrics for it have already been posted to the official website at . Also, the bulk of the soundtrack to the upcoming film Magnolia (directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, best known for Boogie Nights) is made up of Aimee songs. The soundtrack is due out on December 7 and is to include "One," "Deathly," "Driving Sideways," "Momentum," "You Do," "Wise Up," "Save Me," and "Build That Wall." It *may* also include "The Fall of the World's Own Optimist" and an instrumental version of "Nothing is Good Enough." It's going to be great having two Aimee releases in one month; now if only we could get a double dose of Phair.... Jase NP: Aimee Mann, "You Could Make A Killing" ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #323 ************************************