From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #289 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, September 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- III ["Nicole W." ] love hate transmission...days later [Headache79@aol.com] yay! i'm accepted! hi ~jaime*! [raymond lew ] Two Things ["Michael Worrell" ] Toadies/New Tori [Dan ] Re: Toadies/New Tori ["Jenny St. Onge" ] kill yr boyfriend! [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #288 [LULU428@aol.com] i was blessed with a birth and a death [Meow Grrl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: III Okay yeah, my third post of the day but i never do it anymore. I just figure out of 900+ people, someonewill know this answer: who said "insanity is super sanity?" I have put itin my sig and i don't know who says it. but i like it. i think it's chuck manson, which makes me feel a bit dirty, but just cuz he's a crazed mass murderer doesnt' mean he can't say soemthing cool? Later, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam "Insanity is super sanity." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:03:56 EDT From: Headache79@aol.com Subject: love hate transmission...days later Hello All, Okay, I'm still dancing around the room all this time later, singing this song. Can't get it out of my head. And, I wouldn't want it any other way. This song is brilliant. People looked at me weird all day today at work cuz I was going around bobbing my head going ,"Love, Love, Love, Hate, Hate, Hate, Trans, Trans, Trans, Miss-Ion." Screw them. Just wait till they hear it on the radio. Then they too will sing. And the world will bow before the goddess Liz.... sorry, didn't mean to get weird on everyone. As for the current liz-songs-we-can't-believe-we-hate, well, I believe I dislike Only Son. And, a some of the girly sound demos of guyville/whipsmart stuff haven't gone over well. Carnivore in it's regular version just blows. Sorry. But, I don't feel bad, because by all accounts Liz did the raw version and then the minty fresh people did the rest. The Raw version kicks ass. Oh, and as for stratford-on-guy, my favorite thing about that song is it's observational quality. In my mind, I see her on the plane, leaving Guyville behind, and looking around and seeing things clearly for the very first time in a while. It's like she's having this ephiphany (did i spell that right?), finally getting perspective on all the shit that's come before. "Once I really listened the noise, just fell away." Finally, after throwing in the towel and giving up, she finally sees everything the way it really was. Of course that's just my take. I could be wrong. I have been before. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: yay! i'm accepted! hi ~jaime*! love/hate: yeah, i guess this is the only new song with those keyboards and stuff. i just hope don't apologize and firewalker and conversation don't get bogged down with a bunch of layered junk. ooh, someone mentioned the the cranberries (?) type feel to love/hate. i don't know if this has already been pointed out, but liz' little operatic portion of the song is *exactly* like the one found on "yellow skies" from the to the faithful departed album. oh yeah, i'm a dj now at our college radio station. well, we kinda got our fcc license taken away, so we have to broadcast on the web. we're at http://kscr.usc.edu my show's on monday's 8-11am pacific time. i try and work in as much liz as possible. =] oh, and if anyone's interested, dj jonbonbon has an entire show (3 hours) dedicated to tori amos, so you can check the schedule and see when his show's on. hey ~jaime*! glad to be back! no weasels though, which sucks. i have to go to the store. ;] that's it, i'm going to sleep. ...ray **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall >> www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew beginning to see the light >> www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:45:37 -0400 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Two Things OK, I lied. Three things, after observing that Elastica was wrong. Justine Frischmann, waking up and getting up at 0600 _sucks_. Anyways, here goes: 1. While on the whole subject of Chris Gaines, it occurred to me that ECP might just go the same route, doing something that Monty Python would call "Completely Different". What might that be? Vitamin P. Imagine the Chicago songstress with orange eyelids and Tang-colored hair, droning on about how one can 'smile, make the world a better place' and chorusing along to 'who ya gonna do, say who ya gonna do?' Scary, isn't it? 2. Support-system swings for the fence...it's back...it's back....it's...OUTTA THERE! I bought 'Venus' last night at the local indie record chain (cheaper than K-Mart for some reason) and well, while I really think she's a good example for "Why children should not eat ground glass", it's a good album. Haven't gotten to the live stuff yet, but it's seeming like a good investment so far. Segue back to "The Waterboy" and that NFL player's line on "Kids, this is why you never do crack" or something; it's what occurred to me when I heard 'Bliss' for the first time on the album. As Johnny Carson might say, "That's good stuff", although I wonder what he'd say about killing monkeys. :P 3. The local ECP radio outlet seems doomed, yet again. Yesterday, a local judge pretty much ordered the folks at WABN (92 dot seven!) to hand over their transmission license, so that the nitwits at 99.3 WAEZ could take it over. While I wouldn't mind an FM outlet for Imus in the Morning, I sure as hell wouldn't exchange a station who's been caught playing ECP and Till Tuesday to get it; AM is /fine/ for Imus. C'est la vie, I suppose...this area needs a 91.9 WNRN, like Charlottesville, Virginia has. Of course, we could use a massive university as well, to help that along. Nevermind that the college radio station got cancelled after someone made some Howard Stern-ish remarks. That about wraps it up for this morning's installment of bitter and demented news; this mailing brought to you in part by Jerry Rubin and the late Abbie Hoffman, who remind you to tune in, turn off, and drop out. Or something; remembering it would be easier if our minds weren't so open they ran out our ears. Michael Worrell NP: "The Imperial March", John Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Subject: Toadies/New Tori >POSSUM KINGDOM!!! > that is the name of the Toadies song that goes "you'll stay as >beautiful, with dark hair and soft skin, forever..." > it is off the CD RubberNeck. This is my second favorite band next to Liz Phair - and my second favorite CD next to Exile IN Guyville. Never in my YEARS AND YEARS of hardcore CD collecting have I ever experienced a debut (aside from Liz) as strong as The Toadies on "RUBBERNECK". I also have the mini-ep thing too - PLEATHER by them - which isn't bad..but it still does not serve as a Toadies fix. Rubberneck was released in 1994 - and that's been IT since! It makes the wait for WhiteChocolateSpaceEgg seem like nothing..considering Liz did have Juvenalia out and what not. But - if anyone wants some great music - pick up Rubberneck - if you like POSSUM KINGDOM - you will absolutely WORSHIP the rest of the album - Possum Kingdom is by far the weakest song. I think Tori fans would like them too - I mean, musically they are not a bit like Tori - but the lead singer/songwriter of the band also had a minister for a father - and a few of his stories from childhood, stories of his mother, of his baptism - I swear to GOD - this album just blows me away. It's the most concentrated source of poetic fucked-up-edness I have ever heard. It's brilliant. I'm still waiting for the follow up "FEELER" - which should be here any year now. If anyone has any insides on the Toadies - please let me know - I'm on the mailing list - but it seemed to have turned into a pretentious indie band mailing list rather than Toadies...so..whatever :) check them out. as for the new tori, I love the first CD of new songs. 1,000 Oceans and LUST are the most beautiful songs I have heard from her since "PUTTING THE DAMAGE ON" - but the second CD of live stuff...i don't know. It is very interesting..and she is amazing live - COOLING is a great song - but..I think i just get annoyed by all of her "Heeeeeeeeey Heeeeeeeeeeey ...yaaaaaaaaaaa ooooooooooooooooh heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuth preciooooooooooooooooooooousss yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey oooooooooooooooooooh"'s. A few of the songs ie- THE WAITRESS, PRECIOUS THINGS - get a bit long..but that's just my own personal preference. there's no doubt she's a genius live. MR.Zebra rocks live!! under the pink, Dan. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)*(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) "She's still alive, but I am sure, that all the stars belong to her." -HOLE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:17:33 PDT From: "Jenny St. Onge" Subject: Re: Toadies/New Tori Dan, I believe said: << This is my second favorite band next to Liz Phair - and my second favorite CD next to Exile IN Guyville. Never in my YEARS AND YEARS of hardcore CD collecting have I ever experienced a debut (aside from Liz) as strong as The Toadies on "RUBBERNECK".>> I love me some Toadies. I've kind of fallen out of Toadie-Worship, but I got so into them when I went on a vacation to Florida where they were a big thing about five years ago. I fell in love with "I Come From the Water." I was really excited when the Red Hot Chili Peppers concert I had tickets to got postponed, because the later date would have the Toadies opening up instead of Silverchair. They were great live, and they're great on Rubberneck. I haven't heard anything else from them, aside of what's on that Saturday Morning Cartoon compilation our lovely Liz is a part of. That's all I can think of now, except that I finally saw the Liz CK ad in Jane... Jenny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:30:55 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: kill yr boyfriend! Wells, I went to see bis last night @ bowery. Yeah! I had such a poptastic time...they are so cute........and I met John Disco! He signed my secret vampires liner notes and he's like, "I haven't seen this for so long. This [the little teen-c essay inside] probably needs an edit." So he goes through and circles a few random words, puts in a comma, and a smily (smilie?) face. What a cutie. I was so psyched to actually meet him, but it was weird..like, such a contrast since he was just sitting down with a couple girls there and I just walked up and started talking. Like, so casual and effortless. But, with Liz, it was this huge thing. Probably b/c she's like a goddess and all....altho I'd really been hoping I'd meet him and he's not like...unworthy of idolatry or whatever........ huh?????? On the ride in I saw the HUGE Liz side-of-building ad........I was so psyched b/c I totally wasn't expecting it. The Rondelles opened for bis and while I was waiting outside for my ride afterwards I saw them loading up....but I didn't know their names so I didn't speak w/ them. Oh wells....they were great tho. Anyone into them? *If bis is playing near you.....gogoGO! A lot of new stuff, but they also did school disco (yeah!) and played Kill Yr Boyfriend for the last time. Manda was like, "We haven't played this song for two years b/c it's kind of......shocking. This is the last time we're playing it." Then Steve said, "Remember the date! Consider this a kind of crematorium." My mom is harassing me. Grrrrr.........this post is completely shitty anyway.......I need sleep sooooooooo badly...... - --Alli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:30:53 EDT From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #288 << And i LOVE LOVE LOVE Tori's new album!!! I'm really attached to the second disc right now. I think it's Cooling. I've never really heard that song before...LOVE IT! Sorry.. >> don't you just love the way she refers to it as "she?" I love it too- i love listening to her onstage banter (as i've said before) so i was glad they had some on this album. Lani ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Meow Grrl Subject: i was blessed with a birth and a death Long-time-no-post. My company moved and our site is re-launching and I work FAR too much. But enough about that. Let’s start with some Liz content. I had a male friend of mine, as an introduction to Liz, listen to Flower today (live; it may as well not exist on EIG as far as I am concerned) and as I expected, it blew him away. His overwhelming sense: “It’s amazing that in 1999 it’s still not OK for a woman to be publicly honest about feeling that way.” He also was, ahem, appreciative for my having him listen to it at work—“Thanks a lot, I have to go back to work now!” I love causing trouble. Also, Nicole wrote that she doesn’t necessarily like Baby Got Going, Never Said, Chopsticks, Jealousy, and Supernova. I find this WAY interesting. It just shows our diversity on this list and in Liz’s music, b/c these all qualify for the top spot in my own personal Liz loves. Baby Got Going in particular: after someone revealed it as a masturbatory song (silly me to have missed it), it’s, like, one of my faves on WCSE. = ) Plus it’s got that country-ish thang going on. Which brings me to the thread I started so long ago. THANK U, EVERYONE for all your suggestions and definitions about alt-country. I don’t know what to apply my MasterCard to first! Here is the long shortlist I have nailed down, based on everyone’s amazingly generous input—whether it is good country or traditional country or folk country or alt country: Son Volt (Trace, Wide Swing Tremelo, Straightaways, , Steve Earle (Exit O, The Hard Way, I Feel Alright, The Mountain, Guitar Town, Train a comin)), Tarnation (Mirador), Maria McKee with or without Lone Justice, Hank Williams Sr., Lyle Lovett, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Kelly Willis (already seen her live twice, actually), The Derailers, Buck Owens, Junior Brown, Robbie Fulks (Let’s Kill Sat Night), Gillian Welch (Hell Among the Yearlings, Revival), Tulare Dust (tribute to Merle Haggard), Tim O’Brian (Red On Blond), Melissa Swingle, Bob Wills, Louvin Brothers, Smokey Wood, Light Crust Doughboys, Rose Maddox, Big Sandy and his Fly-Rite Boys, The Dave and Deke Combo, Wilco (Summerteeth), Tom Waits (greatest hits 1 & 2), The Billygoats, The Geraldine Fibbers, Goober and the Peas, BR-549, The Knitters, Crowsdell, Uncle Tupelo (Anodyne, No Depression), Dwight Yoakam, Radney Foster (anything), Chris Knight (this isn’t Peter Brady is it??), Billy Bragg and Wilco, Shaver (Tramp on Your Street), that alternative country collection (did you pick it up, jake?), V-Roys. Hope I didn’t leave anyone out, but thanks so much to Brian Irby, dp, Mr. E, Icry, Ginz, Greg B, Valerie B, drpeak, Pat O’Connor, Jake, Jason Tedford, and Greg H for all your suggestions. If I have missed or misquoted anything, please don’t burden the list with it if it's extensive; email me privately. My only problem now is prioritizing. Anyone who wants to make me a mix tape (for the EXPOSURE only), I’ll pay you back in any way I can. Thanks, everyone. And Michael, keep me going with Carleen stories! And whoever told the story about Put It Away, Put It Away, Put It Away, in the toy box … I cannot hear that song without thinking that. Good stuff. Also, Jason Tedford, thanks so much for the info about the tapes; I’ll email you privately to arrange something. Morrise, Jason (now Jake): things are happening with the engineer!! Anything going down in coffee land? Back into the depths, Sandra (who’s running her first race EVER this weekend: a 5K.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tedford Subject: Liz, oh how can I hate thee... Now this was a tough thread and I've had to spend quite a bit of time thinking it over. Liz is just so damn likeable. What's a boy to do? For now, this is what I've come up with: Oh My God - Without the "That's the Way I Like It" outro, I find this song pretty much terrible. This is the one that will probably never grow on me. Shane - comes and goes, but currently going Supernova - perhaps blasphemy, but at the moment I'm just burned. For now I find my rocking Liz in "Rocket Boy." Other low-lights that are often skipable: Nashville, Only Son, Baby Got Going, Crater Lake, Johnny Feelgood, Ride Granted, some of these songs I've just burned myself out on. I can't think of any Liz that I just despise, and sorry, but Guyville can do not wrong. always smooth, never bitter tedford Oh yeah, that new Fiona song rocks. Check it out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #289 ************************************