From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #272 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, September 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 272 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dancing Bear [Katie Lynne ] Ben Lee, favs....... ["Sally Mae" ] favorite artists [Craig King ] lame comments [Valerie Barry ] batmobile was my savior (quick post) ["Jaime" ] andy stochansky [NappyZoe@aol.com] Only Son, Chicago Liz Fest/Phest ["Cynthia Nagle" ] warning - S-K fraud on Ebay [Chris ] tsunami............ [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] Sheer selfish self-promotion. [Shelly ] Tori and Liz naked in playboy..... [Talula9695@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Katie Lynne Subject: Dancing Bear >if you walked into a store, or a restaurant or >whatever, and they were playing music you >ravenously loved would you comment, or continue >on quietly? You'd find me dancing around. No prob. ;) Hey..imagine going to a movie theater and see a new Liz video playing in the lobby. Anyone up for that? We're playing Meredith Brooks' new video with Queen Latifah, "Lay Down." Totally awesome. Great way of exposure I think...think of all those teeny boppers. Anyhoo....great news I feel like sharing just for the hell of it. Backstreet Boys are on their last tour for a very LONG time. Hopefully they'll disappear for good! Thanks to my brother for the great news. =o) Ahhh...insomnia would do me good... Katie ();) === ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I believe you believe in the myth of yourself." -Luscious Jackson ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:02:56 -0700 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Ben Lee, favs....... But the thing is here in Australia there are heaps of all-ages venues which I am sure would host him! I think that either a) he couldn't be bothered doing all ages shows the 1st time he toured his former home country or b)he didn't think he was big enough to do all-ages like Placebo the first time around. I doubt it was b) considering he appears rather egotistical! Is he doing or has he done many all-ages shows in America??? To also continue this favourite bands/solo artists these are my 5 favs in no particular ranking, as I can't decide- I'm a Libra: Placebo, Liz, Hole, Garbage and Ben Folds Five Have a good rest of w/end peoples..........Sally *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: favorite artists Ok, sice some people are listing their favorite bands/artists, here are mine in no particular order. These are the artists that mean the most to me: Liz Phair (duh!) The Doors Stone Temple Pilots Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Craig "AdRock" NP: The Deftones - Around The Fur __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:55:58 -0400 From: Valerie Barry Subject: lame comments >for those who are interested, andy stochansky (ani's former drummer) will be >playing at michigan state university (east lansing) on sept. 20 at 8pm at >common grounds (basement of akers hall). ...yay! good shows at my alma mater! >"isn't it pretty to think so?" - jake barnes ...one of my all time favorite quotes in literature, i use it often (well, when appropriate). thank you! >women's underwear is a male conspiracy thing. ...kinda like panythose... no liz content, this is drivel, i'll stop now.. off to buy a wedding AND a shower gift (oy vey, what are you people thinkin!)... valerie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:31 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: batmobile was my savior (quick post) >Does Batmobile describe anyone else' schooldays at present or past > >schooldays Cried for days in college listening to that song... "i dont speak the language... but i gave it my best shot" She really captures that feeling of utter loneliness, and i really thank liz for helping through rough, depressed, wanted to kill myself with hard liquor and sharp objects... times... without her... who knows... top five fave bands? liz the rolling stones the beatles tom petty beck i had hole on there, but i'd have to make them # 6... maybe 7... i didnt really like 'celebrity skin'... still searching for DarkSideOfTheMoon and ...ray... ~jaime* - -- -- -- -- - " I can grow, despite all you know, you might not recognize me tomorrow..." ~Liz Phair, 'firewalker' - -- -- -- -- - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:07:46 EDT From: NappyZoe@aol.com Subject: andy stochansky Jason said: << for those who are interested, andy stochansky (ani's former drummer) will be playing at michigan state university (east lansing) on sept. 20 at 8pm at common grounds (basement of akers hall). tix are available at the door only. this is from the rbr list. >> And I say: Yes, that is true. I work with the Common Grounds Coffeehouse and we just booked Andy the other day, it was a very last minute thing. If anyone wants to check out CG's website, the address is http://www.msu.edu/~cgrounds. We've got a lot of good acts this semester, including Brenda Kahn, the IndieGrrrl tour, and Maggie Estep. (Sorry, had to get a shameless plug in there.) Um.... Liz content: None, really. We don't have Liz Phair booked, but we'd love to have her. (Anyone with hookups?) Stacy (Oh, and pay no mind to my "title" on the staff page...*cracks whip*) np: something by Rage Against the Machine on this online radio station ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 14:43:00 PDT From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Only Son, Chicago Liz Fest/Phest Lovely Lizsters, Re: the multitudes who don't like Only Son -- yes, it's not like most of her other songs. I wasn't sure what to make of it at first. It's not rocking. It's not a sly look at Liz's own truth, but a slower expression of someone else's truth (her brother's). Maybe your appreciation can be ratcheted up a notch if you think about the raw emotions in the song, and the first version of it on the WCSE sessions. An adult, adopted son looks at his life, realizes the pain he has caused his family (because of the pain he feels himself), and the only conclusion he can reach is "goodbye, so long, I'm gone already, I'm running out of time, I'm losing my mind... won't somebody hold me?" Most of us know someone (maybe ourselves) who has been on desperation's edge at some point. A scary place to be, indeed. Now imagine you're talking about your own brother, to the rest of the world. This isn't a made-up character, or an amalgam of several real-life Johnnys. Even if she took some artistic license, I still believe that Only Son must be heavily based in real life. It's a brave, personal statement. Because I can identify/empathize with those "nadir of your life" feelings, I respect the song and the emotions behind it. What clinched my respect, though, was hearing the earlier versions of it on the WCSE sessions. I read list members' comments about it, esp. the "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy" chorus, before I got the discs from Ken. But when I actually listened to that chorus myself, I got chills down my spine. All grown men and women still have a child inside, which we try hard to hide most of the time. But at life's worst points, when we feel threatened, scared, or desperate beyond our ability to cope, the child surfaces. The "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy" chorus is an achingly painful reminder of this. In other news: I can't believe that 2 people from the list (Allison & Lucas) actually attended Liz Fest/Phest in Chicago, and only posted about it NOW! What gives? Why didn't you post sooner? Please tell us more about what you did! Off to a wedding... (not mine.) Hurricane Cindy NP: Erasure, Pop/20 Greatest Hits ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:21:16 -0400 From: Chris Subject: warning - S-K fraud on Ebay Please do not bid on any Sleater-Kinney stuff from Lisa Oppedyke of Olympia, Washington over ebay. I placed the high bid on some magazine articles she was selling back in July. The check cleared my bank 6 weeks ago, but she never shipped the articles, and has ignored most of my inquiries. Her ebay ID is "noodlexo". - -Chris Cavett Silver Spring, MD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:05:46 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: tsunami............ I'm supposed to be reading a textbook right now that is so impenetrable I need to do something else to ease my mind for a bit. Nothing really Liz related since the past few days have been un-Lizzy for me..........but, I was wondering if anybody else has heard Marianne Nowottny. I think it's pronounced Mah-ri-ahnna, not Maryanne.....anyway, I just got her album _Afraid of Me_ and I am in love w/ it. You can only get it from abaton or some NJ store. I read a really groovy review of one of her shows a little while back in the ny times, did a little research, and was intrigued. She's 16 (which makes me feel really inadequate...or maybe that's just the low self-esteem kicking it) but her stuff is absolutely incredible. The lyrics are gorgeous, her voice is deep and she lets it like roll over the music...she wrote the music, lyrics, plays guitar, keyboards, and I think drums on a few tracks. D.i.y., really dreamy, ethereal heavy stuff....kinda like Rasputina mixed with....god, I don't know. Loveitloveitloveit.......So, very highly recommended....if anyone else has heard of her, I"d love to hear your opinion. Does anybody have a copy of hello stranger? Even a shitty copy? I want a copy soooooooooooo much. Maybe if I whine a little a tape will materialize. whinewhinewhine.......... I wish I were telekinetic.......I can't get up to turn on another light....... Allison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:45:19 -0700 From: Shelly Subject: Sheer selfish self-promotion. In case anyone is interested in reading the SPIN magazine article written naming "Exile In Guyville" #13 of 90 top albums of the '90's...you can enjoy my painstaking work: SPIN Magazine & Liz Phair Please...I'm still fairly new at the web-designing thing, so be gentle... Anyway...I'm off to enjoy a night out w/ hubby...wow, married one whole year now! ~gunshy~ Shelly ~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~** "...but when you said that I wasn't worth talking to, Well, I had to take your word on that." ~~Liz Phair ~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:57:21 EDT From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: Tori and Liz naked in playboy..... Tori and Liz, together, naked, in Playboy? I'd have to agree with M. on this one, it would be an absolute dream come true, but honestly, things that cool generally never happen. But if by some miracle it did happen, I'd buy that damn magazine and never have to leave the house again. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #272 ************************************