From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #264 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, September 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- feminist....... ["Sally Mae" ] welcome stacy, playboy, liz [Valerie Barry ] Little Earthquakes ["rosslyn lane" ] Tori, Playboy talk [Katie Lynne ] The Inkblot [Shelly ] oh no, not another one! ["Cynthia Nagle" ] long time, no post [---becky--- ] love/hate transmission, shatter, blah [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] ********* ["Jenny St. Onge" ] liz on the radio! ["Persy Grrrl" ] Re: Tori, Playboy talk [tommyk7@excite.com] Re: ********* [Tuulikki99@aol.com] Fantasize ["Ginz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:43:17 -0700 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: feminist....... >Thank goodness there are enough sane feminists like Camille Paglia, Katie Roiphe, and Christina Hoff Sommers to counteract the anti-sex zealots.> So I'M not a sane feminist??? *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:40:44 -0400 From: Valerie Barry Subject: welcome stacy, playboy, liz welcome, stacy, to this lovely list. i'm from michigan originally, and michigan people are generally very cool, so we're glad to have you! if liz posed in playboy (and incidentally, wasn't this rumor started by the always-hopped-up-on-testosterone "biggerd"? :-) ), i'm sure she wouldn't do it without a good bit of creative control, avoiding all tackiness. she's just not a tacky person, so i wouldn't expect a cheesy "rock-n-roll" spread, or one of those really bad western themed pictorials with lots of lace hanging around. i think playboy's pretty cool...like shelly, my friend and i used to sneak them when we were little from her parents. my last boyfriend was a a subscriber, and i think i used to ruin it for him because i'd always painstakingly critique the pictorials, mock the centerfolds' little bios, we'd argue about which big 10 school had the hottest girls. it was fun. and, the artilces ARE great, the cartoons are pretty funny and i dig the advisor. i read it whenever i run across it. sure, every woman gets that momentary inadequate feeling when looking at these "ideal" women in these publciations, but it's their choice to pose and i say, if you've got it, and you're comfortable doing so, by all means flaunt it. but, i gotta say, hef with his three blond "girlfriends" has gotten to be a bit much... liz content: i played EIG at a little gathering of drinking and pot smoking friends, but it really had no effect. in fact, i turned it off in favor of something a little more upbeat and familiar to all. i really think that liz exposure (esp. EIG) needs to be done on an individual basis. the slow songs, while brilliant, are not conducive to a party atmosphere, and nobody's listening to the lyrics. they must be converted, one at a time... thinking globally and acting locally, valerie ******************************************************** Valerie Barry valerieb@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:02:56 PDT From: "rosslyn lane" Subject: Little Earthquakes First of all : Congratulations Mariam, I just graduated from undergrad from UW just weeks ago. And I sympathize with the finding a job thing :-( >From: Mariam K Hamou >Okay, I'm done. Congratulate me. I'm done my Masters Degree. >WOOOHOOOOOO. Now, I have to find a job. Tori Amos is definitely a musical genius. I prefer her older stuff, when it was just her and a piano. I think that my favorite Tori song is "me and a gun" which makes me stop what I'm doing and just listen. Not exactly great for studying. As for Liz in playboy; it wouldn't bother me, now if she posed in Hustler that would be another story. Rosslyn "I hope that someday we will find that we were find anyway, just as we were and all of this will become a blur" J. Trynin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Katie Lynne Subject: Tori, Playboy talk >How does everyone else feel about Tori on the list? I like Tori! Under the Pink is my favorite album and most fave song is Winter. What brought me to into her music is she plays piano. If I had a choice of any instrument to play, it would definitely be piano. She definitely knows how to put on a good show too, saw her last year at UCF Arena. Took me about two hours to get over the feeling I had. *sigh* Can't wait for her solo tour. For the Playboy issue, I hope Liz doesn't do it. It only reminds me of how much I liked Elizabeth Berkley from Saved By the Bell till she did that *awful* movie, Showgirls. After that, I quit watching the show. Anyways...not that I'd quit listening to Liz cuz she posed for Playboy. Sheryl posed semi-nude for the July Brit issue of Maxim. Hey...whatever floats their boats. They can do what they want. Thanks gunshy Shelly for the b-day wishes! Whoa..your nickname made me break out into Sheryl's There Goes the Neighborhood. Gunshy Shelly and Peter Ustanov.. would like the scene anyhow... It was nice seeing Lani post again. Good luck with the new school year! Only tomorrow and I'll be rocking away with Blondie! Katie ();) NP: The Doors, the movie is on in the next room. "We want the world and we want to have the world as we want it!" Any Doors fans around? "The Unknown Soldier" still sends shivers up my spine everytime I listen to it. === ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I believe you believe in the myth of yourself." -Luscious Jackson ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:48:46 -0700 From: Shelly Subject: The Inkblot Even more Liz fare~ Just received the mailing of "The Inkblot", a fairly groovy e-zine...and came across this: "And check out our take on the Queen of Cool, Liz Phair: http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/We_Love_Liz_Phair.htm " Enjoy!! ~gunshy~ Shelly ~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~** "I'm the water I'm the dishes I'm the soap I will comfort make you clean help you cope When you're tired feeling helpless Come inside I am the shelter And then when you're feeling better I'll watch you go..." ~Sleater-Kinney, "Little Babies" ~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~**~~*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 99 12:32:23 PDT From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: oh no, not another one! Lovely Prop-Positioners, Well, I knew it had to happen sometime: another Cynthia would someday appear on the list. Maybe there have been dozens of other Cynthias/Cindys lurking all along, but I've never seen a post from one. For a moment, I felt like Alfalfa when the chicken yanked out that one vertical hair-hard-on of his: "He took my personality!" Anyway, welcome, Cynthia Weaver. Moon goddesses unite. Keep signing off as Cynthia, and people will keep us straight. At least we won't have the Dana P. problem of same last initials, causing constant confusion and the adoption of double-entendre name abbreviations. Hey, I wish my initials DID form a double-entendre... A challenge to the creative among you: what catchy, descriptive phrases can be made from the initials CN? Liz content: wonder what she's doing over the Labor Day weekend? The one and only, new and improved, it slices it dices (if you get too close), Hurricane Cindy NP: nothing (BUT!!! I now have a cheap little CD/cassette boombox, so I can listen to music at home again! HOORAY!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: ---becky--- Subject: long time, no post i've been away, but, here goes... i remember, once upon a time, reading an article about liz where she said that she considered doing playboy but found it impossible to be subversive in that context (that is paraphrasing, of course, but if someone has it, it is some food for thought.) if she does do playboy, good for her. there might be a way for her to own the situation. she might find that way to be subversive. liz has a little to much 'on my own terms' sexual energy to really come off as a piece of ass. another thing, i am sending off liz mixes to my friends in portland, oregon, who have been hounding me for them since i sang them some liz songs during a vacation there. there's nothing like some ravenous new liz converts. they'll never look back peace out, becky === "love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." - antoine de saint-exupery http://i.am/beckybecky _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:28:10 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: love/hate transmission, shatter, blah I was driving to the city the other day w/ my mother (she was drivin) and we passed by a bus that had the Liz cK ad on the side....I gasped so loud my mother swerved. Oops........ I could've made that Stratfordian, but I just didn't feel like it. I am feeling quite untalkative right now. Or would it be untyp[e]ative? Anyway, I got a Lilith boot in the mail yesterday (thanks Tim!) and I was really super-psyched to listen to love/hate transmission since i heard many happy remarks about it. I played it in the car when my brother drove me to a friend's house (it was after 9, so he needed to drive me).....I finally convinced him to let me play the tape. I made him shut up so I could soak up the new song, let the new liz sounds wash over me. And we ended up laughing. I was wincing. I've listened to it a few times, and altho I guess it's catchy, I just can't get into it. There's only one Liz song I can't stand and need to skip over usually (Only Son....altho some times I let it go and like it), but I just can't get into l/h transmission. I just don't like it. I played it for my friends Ali and Jason.....Ali is a big Liz fan and Jason's current favorite band is a group of 1/2 Belgian-1/2 Zaire-ian guys who sing traditional Gaelic tunes. (But I'm miraculously turning him into a Bis fan!) So, some diversity in the panel. Ali had just gotten back from Ireland, was totally jet-lagged, and had this "what the fuck?" look on her face, and jason said it sounded like some Japanese kiddie cartoon video game w/ flying bunnies. Hmmmmmm..... I'm not sure what it is that doesn't appeal to me. So, basically, what I'm asking is for some help. Please, somebody, help me figure out what's wrong w/ me....or what's good about the song that I'm missing. Anyone have lyrics? Should I listen to it more? I'm really worried! This is a dangerous road! I need some sleep. - --Allison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 14:51:22 PDT From: "Jenny St. Onge" Subject: ********* Hello, I've been lurking on this here list for awhile, but I figure, hey, I'll say something. I'm originally from Michigan too, which sounds weird, since I just moved away last week. I also like me some Tori... I've liked Liz since I was in middle school, when I heard Supernova on the radio. I ended up buying Whip Smart. I got crazy into it, and it's all I listened to for a couple months. Then I took EIG from a girl who I hung out withs brother. It took me a while to dig it, but then it became my fav. Then, when they came out, I bought Juvenilia and wcse. I did my best to convert my friends into Liz fans, which worked on two of them. I've seen Liz in concert twice, once when she headlined at Clutch Cargo's in Pontiac, MI, last year, and once at the Detroit Lilith Fair, on August 14. She signed my Juvenilia CD, which was very exciting, and I got a really lovely picture of her... I was on this list back before it was Support System, but then I lost that email account, so now, here I am again.. Yep... So, I'm just so excited I said that.... I have a few questions.. Where can I get a hold of a copy of the original wcse? And whoever I was going to get a copy of the girlysounds from, can you email me again, because I lost your address... **************************************************************** Jenny **************************************************************** "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable and luscious, I would have it all if I only had this much.." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:45:43 EDT From: "Persy Grrrl" Subject: liz on the radio! Just wanted all you listers to know I did my college radio training on Thursday, and guess what one of the first things I grabbed to play - Liz from the Lilith Fair 3 disc. Yea! Persy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:53:57 PDT From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: Re: Tori, Playboy talk On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT), Katie Lynne wrote: > For the Playboy issue, I hope Liz doesn't do it. It > only reminds me of how much I liked Elizabeth Berkley > from Saved By the Bell till she did that *awful* > movie, Showgirls. Ah, the drunk post. Actually, it's only 9:45 and I haven't left the house yet, but this damn Crown Royal (not mine, it's my roommate's - who at the moment is in Tennessee watching the Vols pound the...whatever that team is...Wyoming)...anyway, Crown mixed with coke (liquid - not powder) is deceptively strong and it's getting me trashed real quick. Uh, ok, no more bullshit...I hate to rip on such an esteemed member of "The List," but where I come from, no respectable member of society actually WATCHES "Saved By The Bell" (reruns are also a no-no). Knowing who the main characters are is one thing. Watching an entire episode may be OK in some parts of the country. But a FAN? I remember dropping quite low on the "acceptable conversation topics" scale with my college friends one night, when, in a vodka-induced stupor I exclaimed, "heeeeeey, that dude over there looks just like Screech!" The dour (is that a word?) stares I received were enough to purge any and all knowledge of that show from my mnemonic capacity immediatley and forever thereafter...UNTIL NOW - YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM BACK!!! Foul temptress! - someone name where I got that from and you'll get.......respect). Need to go - sounding more and more like Nicole in this post - ha! JK, just trying to elicit (is that a word?) a response... Out TMK NP: Alice In Chains, _Dirt_ - "Junkhead" - I don't do (never did) heroin, but this is a damn fine song. Don't freestyle much but I write 'em like such - -Chuck D ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:39 EDT From: Tuulikki99@aol.com Subject: Re: ********* Yea, Jenny, why don't you tell us more about this "girl you hung out with", she sounds like a cunt! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:45:37 -0400 From: "Ginz" Subject: Fantasize Question.... Has Liz ever performed 'Fantasize' other than her 4-1-96 performance in Chicago? I don't believe she has..... and if not..... i've stumbled upon a video of her only performance of the song. (2 years before the release of whitechocolatespaceegg!) Imagine my surprise. Ginz ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #264 ************************************