From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #256 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, August 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: its like rain on your wedding day. [ToriFaeryBoi@aol.com] he was very nice and I ate him to pieces ["Jaime" ] What satisfaction is left when all you do tells everyone you're acting untrue? [Jason Long Subject: he was very nice and I ate him to pieces - ----------- |>He was very nice and you ate him to pieces,because of that, and |>because he liked Alanis. You two should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially |>you jaime. Nice? Are we reading the same digest? You call this nice ? - ------------ |>What idiots. First of all, Jaime and Nicole, stop throwing fits |>just because no one wants you two to suck their cocks,take those sticks outta |>ur asses, and go fuck some animals, cause that's pretty much the only way you |>are ever going to get fucked or fuck with that attitude. I'd be afraid to |>wake up next to one of you, the animal would probably be too, and you say you |>tell it like it is.. WELL NOW I"M TELLING IT LIKE IT FUCKING IS! YOU ARE |>INSENSITIVE BITCHES WITH STICKS UP YOUR ASSES, GET LIVES, AND STOP BEING SO |>CONCEITED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH THOSE BITCHY ATTITUDE YOU DON"T HAVE A |>REASON TO! AND AM I ANGRY>??? ABSOLUTELY! Yes, I thought Steve was very reasonable. The text above puts emphasis on his sparkling personality.He reverted to desperate-sounding-downright-dirty-name calling and I thought that was sweet too. If everyone drops it, so will I. But I will stand up for myself until the end. I really dont care who Steve is, and I realize that in the whole scheme of things, he amounts to nothing in my life... but he still has no right to disrespect me, nicole or any other person on this list. I dont remember much of what I posted to him and about him, but I am positive I never sank to a level even remotely close to his. He obviously has problems and isnt a happy camper... but that isnt my fault. I dont think anything I posted which deserved a response like "no one wants you two to suck their cocks" ... but maybe I'm just being sensitive. (can you sense my sarcasm?) Because I dont like an artist, (if you can call her that,) and I vocalize my opinion... I do not deserve the abuse I received. 'Ate him to pieces' ? Clearly someone on this list is confused. I could care less what anyone thinks -- really. It is the last thing on my mind. But I am appalled by the support of this maniac. Look at what you are defending. Lets get real, people. ~jaime* - -- -- -- -- - " I can grow, despite all you know, you might not recognize me tomorrow..." ~Liz Phair, 'firewalker' - -- -- -- -- - NP: Lemonheads _It's a shame about ray_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:03:23 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Ironic999@aol.com Subject: i think i'm gonna unsubscribe...this is why... BEFORE YOU READ THIS, BE WARNED. I'M NOT DRAGGING THE ISSUE OUT OR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUEMENT. I'M MERELY EXPLAINING WHY I'M LEAVING THE LIST. if you can't bear to see the name of that certain singer, you know who, without making a big deal about it, don't read this letter, delete now. i'm sorry to say, i think i'm gonna unsubscribe from this list. and yes, partly due to the alanis issue. i'll still keep listening to liz's music, but i can't be on a list where certain people don't respect other people's musical tastes. i tried just ignoring it and i thought maybe the whole thing would blow over soon, but apparently people keep dragging the issue out. yes, i'm sorry, but i DO like alanis morissette more than i like liz phair (fuck me, ok?), but i wanted to get to learn music by other artists than i usually listen to. but it's degrading to hear someone call one of my favorite singers alan-ass moist towelette or whatever (what does that even mean?). i even thought maybe liz could become another of my favorite singers, but i guess i was wrong because liz fans haven't given the type of music i listen to any respect whatsoever. it's one thing to say "i dont like alanis, i don't respect her, but i'm not going to talk about her anymore because i know you like her music" and it's another to keep mentioning how much you hate her and what's wrong with her, knowing full well that there are alanis fans on the list. i'm NOT dragging the issue out, i expect it to stop once i unsubscribe for the sake of any alanis fans that might be left on the list. how do i unsubscribe? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:46:13 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: What satisfaction is left when all you do tells everyone you're acting untrue? Okay, we've got a lot of problems on the list right now, all of which seem to have stemmed from the discussions on Alanis Morissette. First of all, I must say that I was really disappointed when I logged on a few hours ago to check my e-mail for the first time since Thursday morning, only to find that I apparently shouldn't leave the list unsupervised for even that short an amount of time. Should I consider finding someone to babysit the list during the few days at the end of next week where I will be busy moving and settling into my new place? Secondly, I meant what I wrote the other day about no longer tolerating name calling or insults on the list, and in the future, I will start unsubbing repeat offenders. Posts like the most recent one from Steve are not acceptable by any means, and I don't care what your reasoning is -- there's just no excuse. I would have hoped that everyone here would have more tact than that. I guess I was wrong. Speaking of Steve, it's funny how he posted that he was going to unsubscribe, yet hasn't yet. One thing most of you all likely don't know is that by default, the list is set up so that I receive an email whenever anyone joins or leaves the list. He's not the only one who has said he was going to unsub, yet actually hasn't. Funny that. Speaking of funny... Wesley (ToriFaeryBoi@aol.com) wrote: >I'm sorry, but I've been on this list for awhile. I am an avid Liz fan, but >the way Jaime and Nicole treated that guy, Steve, was really rude. That was >not right. He was very nice and you ate him to pieces,because of that, and >because he liked Alanis. You two should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially >you jaime. Because of some of you on this list only bashing others and not >being nice to them, I'm going to leave this list. It saddens me that you call >yourself Liz fans, when you act like this, and don't respect others for what >they like. Personally, I am not a fan of Ms. Morissete's music, or Morisette, >or however it's spelled, but I do think she is talented, and a brilliant >songwriter, and she shouldn't be bashed. No one should be bashed, except >those WHO bash! There was no reason to pick him apart, and still pick him >apart like that. Sorry everyone, Nicole and Jaime ruined it for me. This >isn't the only incident either. All I see coming from their mouthes are rude >comments towards people, so maybe you all will get the hint! You just lost >another support-system member, because of it. You know what? He hasn't unsubscribed yet. Also, is it really fair for one to say that they have been on the list for a while when they joined at 1:52:51 pm EST that afternoon (as noted below)? >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:51 -0400 (EDT) >To: support-system-approval@smoe.org >From: Majordomo@smoe.org >Subject: SUBSCRIBE support-system ToriFaeryBoi@aol.com >Reply-To: Majordomo@smoe.org > >-- > >ToriFaeryBoi@aol.com has been added to support-system. >No action is required on your part. Since he hasn't even been on the list for 24 hours, I really wonder how he would know what's been going on, and how Nicole or Jaime could have ruined it for him already. Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Speaking of making one wonder, Ironic999@aol.com wrote on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 at 17:01:28 EDT: >hi everyone, i'm Lauren and i'm new to this list.... >and i don't >>appreciate the people on this list making fun of alanis.... i can see if you >don't like alanis' music, that's your opinion, but i've heard stupid things >like "her forehead is too big"...what the hell is that supposed to mean??? What's funny is that this person only subscribed to the list on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 at 16:40:38 -0400 (EDT). The post where someone remarked on Alanis' forehead was made on Monday, August 23, 1999 at 20:23:41 PDT. The only way this person would have known about the post would have been if someone had told them about it, as they weren't on the list at the time it was made. Also of note is that we had one other person (DexoMantis@aol.com) post on Tuesday proclaiming themself an Alanis fan, making their first post only minutes after joining the list. Curiously enough, we also had at least one other person with an Alanis-inspired e-mail address (Sfij83@aol.com -- SFJI just happen to be the initials of the name of Alanis' most recent album) join that same day, but at least so far, this person hasn't posted. Then there was also Icy7654@aol.com, another Alanis defender who joined this week, posted once, and has since unsubbed. Interestingly, all of these new subscribers were people on AOL, and all of these people joined the real-time version of the list and not the digest -- just like Steve himself. It just all seems like too much to me to be mere coincidence; it seems that either Steve himself is posting under other AOL aliases (it's quite possible, you're allowed up to 4), or he is telling Alanis fans he knows, perhaps from an Alanis mailing list even, about what has been going down on here and has been getting them to join to not only speak up in Alanis' favor, but to criticize and make nasty comments about Jaime, Nicole and anyone else who has expressed anti-Alanis sentiments on the list. By doing this, it also makes it look like the pro-Alanis faction is in the majority and works to make those who disagree look even worse. This whole thread has been mostly bullshit, but c'mon Steve, it's rather low to invite your friends on here to gang up against those who are expressing things you don't agree with, and it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, that's no excuse. Fight your own battles or just don't bother. Also, while Nicole and Jaime have both made comments they shouldn't have, it also seems like you've been baiting them as well. And your most recent post was nothing short of appalling. Let's review: >First of all, Jaime and Nicole, stop throwing fits >just because no one wants you two to suck their cocks,take those sticks outta >ur asses, and go fuck some animals, cause that's pretty much the only way you >are ever going to get fucked or fuck with that attitude. I'd be afraid to >wake up next to one of you, the animal would probably be too, and you say you >tell it like it is.. WELL NOW I"M TELLING IT LIKE IT FUCKING IS! YOU ARE >INSENSITIVE BITCHES WITH STICKS UP YOUR ASSES, GET LIVES, AND STOP BEING SO >CONCEITED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH THOSE BITCHY ATTITUDE YOU DON"T HAVE A >REASON TO! Hmmm, is this really the same person who was branding others as being "immature" and "stupid," and who called someone a "baby" this past week? Why are the words "pot," "kettle" and "black" all popping into my head at once? By the way, this whole "telling everyone you're unsubscribing but not actually doing it" tactic is lame. I've seen it happen on several lists before, always by people trying to make themselves look like martyrs who have been so put out upon and who are trying to create sympathy for themselves/their side. Unfortunately, I guess you guys didn't realize how this listserver operates, and how I, as the list owner, am automatically notified when people have joined or left. Those timestamps come in handy, eh? Anyway, I had more to say about all of this -- Steve's not the only one in the wrong, after all -- but I'll save that for another time. I just don't feel like writing anything further right now. I will say, though, that all of this has been a real downer. I didn't create this list as a forum for this kind of garbage to take place, and I also hate seeing people manipulate it to suit their own agendas. Perhaps it's against my better judgment to bring many of the things in this post to the attention of the entire list, but a lot of this seems rather suspicious and frankly, I was tired of this days ago. You can only imagine how I feel about it now. If you think you're it, you better check with me, Jase ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #256 ************************************