From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #253 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- stuff and other things [MrE ] first Liz experiences [Emerald314@aol.com] intro to liz phair [Exile217@aol.com] Untitled [Juvenilia@aol.com] Replies [moe@lac2.gulliver.fr] "Exile in Guyville" in Jump [Meredith Robbins ] And in response, Michael W... [Shelly ] lucinda wiliams ["Morrise, Jason" ] COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT [AGsPackage@aol.com] Re: First Liz Listen ["Jen Lott" ] Beth Orton ["Jen Lott" ] OFF Topic/Re: Beth Orton [Venus Envy ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #252 [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] Re: Dave Matthews [Catherine Lewis ] nose-chain girl: jane child [Andy Peters ] (no subject) [Icy7654@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #252 [Greg Bishop ] playground fun for everyone [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] My intro to Liz [Talula9695@aol.com] How I got into Liz, Trish Murhpy [Katie Lynne ] Undressed and Other Wastes Of Time [Liz Gould ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:11:57 -0700 From: MrE Subject: stuff and other things >Cesa Rosa anyone? ...does that come with the beans and rice or do i need to order a la carte? >Tom Green ...now there's a true freak and i mean that in the best possible sense of the word...i happen to be much fonder of the alledged freaks than the suppossed infatuation junkies...no apologies forthcoming. so...who's your favorite freak? i know you have one...or two... >Can we bash Dave Matthews band next ...i tried that once...i don't suggest you go there...still apologizing to mr. marlett...sorry mike...how did that silly ass song go? sorry again... >Sarah McLachlan is from Canada and seems to have >done great with her writing. She doesn't whine! ...but she does do that sorta yodel thing...yano...nothing against yodelers of course...just damned unamerikan... >Jamie-babe ...uh, something you need to tell me... >I don't think Polyester Bride was a very >good choice for the first >single/only video off of WCSE. ..."what year are we going to today mr. peabody?" "set the wayback machine to 1998, sherman, we're gonna kick some matador's ass out of a sense of phair play." duh... >whatever happened to Herbert Hoover? went on to invent the vacuum cleaner? originator of the term used to describe chronic coke heads? i give up, what happened? >Damn the second Blair Witch screensaver. >Damn you at Haxan! ...sure phucn glad i took a pass on that download...was mike still in the corner? sorry... >mandolin ...that looked surprisingly like a banjo... your all invited to the...no, phuc that, some of you are invited to the grand opening of the up-coming digest, "UnDigested". don't ask me when 'cause the best answer i have is 'not tonight i am a headache'...film at 11...maybe teh effervescent Momus - -- "Where'd you get these ideas?" Charlie Manson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:03:55 EDT From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: first Liz experiences "Supernova" was my introduction to Liz. As soon as I heard it on the radio, I was hooked, and I went out and bought Whip-Smart as soon as I had the chance. I loved it and of course had to get Exile. (Funny side note: I remember the day I bought Exile, I wanted to listen to it but I was afraid my very conservative mother would be upset about some of the lyrics, so I sat by my stereo with my headphones plugged in and listened to every word of the cd. When "Flower" came on I was very glad I was using those headphones!...I was probably only about 14 or 15 at the time.) Then I remember reading Entertainment Weekly and seeing a mini review of a new Liz Phair cd called Juvenalia. I can't remember what grade they gave it...I was just thrilled that there was new Liz music to enjoy! Then, of course, WCSE the day it came out. I saw Liz at the Deer Creek Lilith (my 4th Liz show, I believe) and she was as awesome as ever. Some great experiences have come of my (and my friends') appreciation for her music (Julie, if you're reading this...I'm especially thinking of Chicago!! :Þ Not to mention playing poker with "the gang" into the wee hours of the morning with Liz as our soundtrack...) Yikes, I'm starting to feel nostalgic so I better go!! ~Emily "Some pot of gold, it's just a carpeting store on opening day..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:56:49 EDT From: Exile217@aol.com Subject: intro to liz phair it was somewhere between 8th and 9th grade and i would have been 14(5 years ago) a friend of mine asked me to print up liz phair lyrics for him off the internet. i kind of remembered having heard supernova on the radio a few times. of course i read through before giving them to him and was really impressed. especially flower. i bought EIG first and whipsmart soon afterwards. became a huge fan. spent most of high school wondering "whatever happened to a boyfriend. . . " it kinda freaks me out now to imagine a 14 year old now listening to liz phair. but it all seemed ok to me at the time. who knows? liz b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:19:58 EDT From: Juvenilia@aol.com Subject: Untitled Hola listers.... Just wanted to tell Michael that I'm glad he bought "Timbre". Let me know how you like it. And yes, Columbia Records bitched a fit about a banjo being on Sophie's track "Lose Your Way". Can you believe the music business (Jason, don't answer that)? And speaking of Jason... how did you obtain a copy of "Bachelor No. 2"? And secondly, why haven't you written me back? I know you're moving and all, but sheesh... Okay, back to obscurity I go.... Sometimes, Robbie THE SLICK DIVIDE http://valmccown.com/lizphair.html ps.) And to Nicole (an off an on friend of mine).... Just wanted to say I missed ya. You may vomit at your leisure. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:12:21 +0200 From: moe@lac2.gulliver.fr Subject: Replies Sandra and Emily you're welcome. And Sandra thanks for the optimistic message. AGsPackage@aol.com: >Im aware that the recorded songs that are commercially available are >copyrighted but since when are live performances copyrighted? I guess if the song is copyrighted, it's the song itself, not just when it's recorded on a commercial album but in all its forms. JMO. To Ben, I read something about Liz Phair in Rolling Stone in 1993 when EIG was released and I was interested. I immediately loved EIG, I listened to it at least once a day for several months. Ben: >am i the only one on the list who doesn't really like What Makes You Happy? >i think it starts really good-- i love the verses-- but the chorus isn't that >great and the second half of the song is pretty much just the same phrase >repeated over and over. My opinion exactly. Moe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 99 20:37:25 -0400 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: "Exile in Guyville" in Jump Hi, In the October-November Jump (the self-proclaimed magazine "for girls who dare to be real"--it's aimed at the 13- or 14-year-old girl who's grown out of the execrable 'Teen), "Exile in Guyville" is featured as the first selection in the "Sound Check" section of an article called "The Rock-Your-World Tour." It's on page 68, for those of you keeping score at home. there's not much in the way of text, but there's a little graphic of the cover (with nipple intact!) and this: "The ultimate real girl, Liz sings smart, funny song about guys who don't call and the cool boy who doesn't know you're alive." In the next column over, they recommend Sleater-Kinney's "Call the Doctor": "Even if you don't dig riot grrrls, Sleater-Kinney's empowering pop-punk addresses the frustrations of being a girl better than anyone." Could Jump being getting cooler? Am I going to get my old Jane Pratt-era Sassy back? No, I don't want to jinx it (the jinx is real! who was I arguing with about the jinx that one time? it was either Jason or Steve Kisko... possibly both... whoever it was, the jinx will bite you right on the ass, just you wait...) Jump on Ricky Martin's "Overall Vibe": "Like a cheerful, Latino version of the Backstreet Boys, except there's only one of him." Hee hee, Meredith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:50:14 -0700 From: Shelly Subject: And in response, Michael W... "Starting with Shelly, hey ho, let's go...blitzkrieg e-mail!..." woah, in advance, sorry so long! Well, I suppose that I'm officially pulled from the months of lurking now... Michael--Thank you! I enjoyed your "blitkrieg e-mailing" I like your description of how you choose your music...*grin* I have a terrible (and do I dare say, a bit vain) tendancy to listen more to those I can sing along with...whose vocal range is similar to my own. Liz Phair happens to fall into this category, along with Melissa Etheridge, Natalie Merchant, Mary Chapin-Carpenter and some Sheryl Crow. But...that's not the only reason. It's a myriad of reasoning...ruled mainly by emotions. Music is an "out" for me..and I enjoy a great "story song" (A fave "Thunder Road"--Bruce Springsteen) If I can get pulled in & sucked in to a song's shoes...I'm usually hooked, at least for a while. Music for my moods...but don't be scared by the Metallica, Queen Latifa or the Loretta Lynn in my CD collection. It's those mushy, gooey, raging, proud & boastful, flighty, whiny, bitchy & belittled emotions we all (well...okay, most of us) feel. Some days are just more kooky & weird & "worthy" of Beck, B-52's or The Pixies, others more Sonic Youth, Sleater-Kinney, or PJ Harvey...it's the artists that fit nicely (or even not-so-nicely) into everyday listening that tend to become favorites; Liz, Melissa, R.E.M, and Sheryl Crow, among others. Now...I suppose I've left myself wide-open & vulnerable to mucho flaming & bashing due to my musical flavors...but hell, that's how things are. I've got much bigger fish to fry than to fret about what others listen to. I live in an incredibly small (about 320 people) and I've tried to introduce friends to music, and usually they just don't "connect" to it, like I do...so nowadays I prefer to keep it to myself. It's like my own little secret & it makes me feel a bit superior. How's that for vanity? ~gunshy~ Shelly *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "This town thinks I'm crazy They just think I'm strange Sometimes they want to own me Sometimes I wish they'd change..." ~~Melissa Etheridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:44:40 -0500 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: lucinda wiliams a few weeks ago, someone on the list recommended getting lucinda williams 'car wheels on a gravel road' and I just wanted to say thanks. I picked it up, and after a couple listens it has really grown on me. she has a much grittier classic country feel than they usually play these days, and honestly, country these days is like, throw in a slide guitar and a southern voice, talk about love or the loss of love, and produce it top 40 style (with certain exceptions, like dwight yoakam). okay, how about that, country music on the liz phair list. I'd better stop right now, but lucinda is cool, and she even made vh1's top 100, if that gives her any street cred. next purchase: something by aimee mann, because I have a feeling I should discover her soon. jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:59:02 EDT From: AGsPackage@aol.com Subject: COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT <> Thats bullshit because you do not need permission to cover anyones song or perform that song in concert. Plus the song copyrighted, is almost always performed different live by the artist therefore changing the song to a version that is not copyrighted. Proveing a point that a live recording is not copyright infringement. Just because there is a song called "Never Said" doesnt mean that Liz can sue anyone who ever puts out a song called "Never Said". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:09:54 EDT From: "Jen Lott" Subject: Re: First Liz Listen In high school I listened to all kinds of music, mostly alternative. The station I listened to played "Supernova" all the time and I was iffy about it. It was ok, but it wasn't the kinda thing I went for at the time. So years passed and I went to Lilith Fair in 1997. Liz Phair played and while she was on I wasn't really paying attention...I believe I went to get a hot dog or something. Then sometime that summer the video for "Polyester Bride" was on 120 Minutes and from then I bought all of her albums. Now my favorite one is "Exile," and of all her songs my favorites are "Fuck and Run," and "Johnny Feelgood." Jen _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:12:18 EDT From: "Jen Lott" Subject: Beth Orton I know sometimes people like to bash singers in this group and I'd rather not invite any right now. But I was just wondering if anyone else liked Beth Orton? I ordered her newest album "Central Reservation" from BMG and love it! She has a pretty neat folky sound. Anyone else agree?? Jen _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:36:55 -0700 From: Venus Envy Subject: OFF Topic/Re: Beth Orton At 11:12 AM 8/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >I know sometimes people like to bash singers in this group and I'd rather >not invite any right now. But I was just wondering if anyone else liked >Beth Orton? I ordered her newest album "Central Reservation" from BMG and >love it! She has a pretty neat folky sound. Anyone else agree?? > >Jen personally, i really like "Trailer Park" alot better than "Central Reservation". They are both great but TP is a great cd all the way around. btw......there is a new artist called Dido and her cd is called "No Angel". She sounds very much like Beth Orton (vocal style and musical style) and her cd sounds like what Beth Orton should have done as her second album. just my $0.02 trent. "You want some advice? Here's some advice, Bucko! Eat yer food. Move yer bowels. And, when you are tired - go lay down!" - --Bif Naked ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #252 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, support-system-digest wrote: > >OH, AND I STARTED THAT Y2K RUMOR... DONT YOU ALL FEEL SILLY NOW? > > hehehe..i'm so glad you decided to post*s* > Y2K? What is that? "Yes 2 Killing?" Is that some new white, R&B, acappella but musically accompanied, teenybopper gangster country group? Personally, I don't know why gangster country music is so underappreciated. It must be Alanis Morrisette's fault. My favorite gangster country artist is Melvin "Big Baby Belt Buckle" Montana, who is actually Canadian. His song "Life ain't nuttin' but backhoes and tobacco" is number one on my charts. > Like "Squirt TV" i really dug that whole scene... > Anyone see Liz Phair's appearance on that show? She sat on his bed and played Cinco de Mayo or something like that. Lucky bastard. "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:35:19 -0700 From: "dana polachowski" Subject: i just wanna get along [as the dust settles....] ok, so i thought i'd tell y'all that i'm gonna make my singing-and-playing debut this weekend at my guitar lesson. true hilarity, to be sure. the song i chose is "drivin' on 9" by the breeders and, you know, i finally had to get up off my ass and get a copy of the CD to get the lyrics figured out and--here's my point; i actually do have one--GODDAMN, that is a great record!! i had forgotten... i know kim (and kelley--both of them, right?) just played a show last month in chicago... and was it just me who noticed that kim deal's "spin" cover a few years ago was *the* shit.... viva kim!! i just love her.... dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:28:11 -0400 From: Catherine Lewis Subject: Re: Dave Matthews Sarah May Scott wrote: > Can we bash Dave Matthews band next??? Living in a college town, I'm hard > up to find anyone who is willing... Hey, any time you want some good Dave Matthews bashing, just drop me a note. :-) Don't want to start a flame war of Alanis-bashing-proportions, but I find it very hard to like Dave Matthews. He and his fans have been responsible for many many many indie music stores being busted for carrying bootlegs (okay, so I don't think bootlegs are a _good_ thing, but why does Dave Matthews give a fuck if my local indie store is selling a Portishead bootleg? And, chances are, if someone is willing to shell out 25 bucks for a bootleg, he/she probably already has bought the album for 12 bucks, you know?? [okay, so maybe I'm speaking for myself here, but my first introduction to Liz was by purchasing a live "import", if you know what I mean (I wanted to use 'See the Light' as an audition song, and it wasn't released on any of her albums!), and after that, I fell so much in love with her music that I bought EIG and WS. But I digress....] I guess my point is that artists do have a right to be upset about the sale of bootlegs of their shows.... But most indie stores in recent times have stopped selling DMB bootlegs because they're afraid of being busted.... So why should Dave Matthews shut down a store for selling someone else's bootlegs? I mean, it's not like Dave Matthews is some poster child for the indie-music industry.... If it were Steve Albini, I might feel somewhat differently....). Anyway, above and beyond that, I take SERIOUS issue with the fact that Dave Matthews has covered (or, at least, tried to cover) the song "Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago" by Soul Coughing (from their debut album _Ruby Vroom_). I'm all for artists covering other artists' songs.... But I think I like it best when they get the lyrics right! Example: Soul Coughing version: "A man drives a plane into the Chrysler building...." Dave Matthews version: "A man drives his car into the Chrysler building...." ....maybe I'm just being petty, but the DMB version sounded HORRID. I mean, he pretends to be a fan, he TOURED with them for goodness sake, and he can't even get their LYRICS right?? What kind of respect does that show??? Ughhhhhh. And my final complaint about Mr. Matthews is his totally uncreative song titles. One single: "Crash...". Another single: "Crush...". Maybe Liz Phair's next single should be "Polyester Pride". I would like to close with a little news article from June, about the fact that Mr. Matthews should not be allowed near grapes. Thank you. > Dave Matthews Injured in 'Bizarre Incident' > Here's a tip for the next time you run into Dave Matthews: Don't offer > to peel him any grapes. Last week the singer suffered two broken ribs in > what's being described as "a bizarre grape-catching incident" by the > Associated Press. When the band was in Boston, Matthews, et al., > engaged in some late-night fooling around, throwing grapes and catching > them in their mouths. According to the band's publicist Ambrosia Healy, > while trying to catch an apparently erratically thrown little fruit, > Matthews fell back in his chair and landed on his guitar, resulting in > the two broken ribs, not to mention a flattened six-string. > > Matthews, however, isn't letting the pain slow him down any. He's > continuing to play scheduled tour dates (presumably with a new ax in > hand). The Band hits Virginia Beach, Va., this weekend. - - Catherine PS. Okay, I know that there are probably lots of Dave Matthews fans out there, and I'm sure that there is some redeeming quality in his music.... I just don't particularly like it myself. So I'm not intending this message as a personal attack against DMB fans.... But it is a nice way to bring up some interesting issues (sale of bootleg CDs, covering a song but changing the lyrics, eating grapes, etc.). - -- "You want me home, but I'm gone all night And we've probably been in some kind of fight But if that's not real, and that's not right Then I'm beginning to see the light...." - Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peters Subject: nose-chain girl: jane child don't tell me why i remember her name. her music was awful: sort of a combination of bad urban contemporary with lita ford-esque "lite" heavy metal. really bad stuff. she came out with a second album, where she lost the nose ring and chain that hooked up to an earring, and had her lip pierced. i read a review somewhere that said musicians with body piercings are more interested in their image than their music. i don't really buy that, since liz phair has a navel ring (i think). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:15:17 EDT From: Icy7654@aol.com Subject: (no subject) In a message dated 8/25/99 9:16:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Marlatt@nbpcd.com writes: << And here's a tip, you Alanis-loving-bitch (I giggled when I typed that! I mean give me a break, the "guy" loves Alanis?), if you don't like what she's got to say use your scroll bar and click past it. >> Um...yes, I think he can say "we". Because there are a lot of people on this list that do love Alanis (guys and chicks). So, deal with it. You have your opinions about her and so do I (my guess is they are complete opposite) but there is no use fighting with each other over them. ok? Peace, ~AMANDA~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:51:33 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Bishop Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #252 Here is (I hope) the concluding statement in the "can't you take a joke?" saga. I sent a nasty e-mail to Jason's e-bay friend, and a week later, this is his reply in broken English: >Hey listen here. >Obviously some people can't take joke. .And obviously your the immature one out of the two of us. >I can rant all I want and you don't have to reply. >If you were at all mature you could just accept the opinions of other people >and not complain about. >I love liz phair. >And It was just a joke. >I love liz phair as much as the next guy and I am very interested in the >tapes. >For crying out loud get a life. >LOve, >FRANK. Your ranting ASKS for a reply just by its nature. You can't expect to express an opinion and not get some sort of reply. If we were "mature" we wouldn't say something was "just a joke" when we found out people actually cared about what we said. If you can't accept criticism, don't say anything. For me, "get a life" would also apply to people who have the time to put imflamatory shit up on newsgroups just to see people get riled...that's what "just a joke" means. I didn't say anything about being a fan and hurting Liz, so don't hide behind the "I Love Liz" flag. If you're interested in the tapes, I or someone else on the support system list will dub them for you for the cost of postage and tapes. Stop supporting the e-bay pirates. Some of those bootlegs were most likely obtained from listmembers anyway. Greg B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:09:33 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: playground fun for everyone Regarding how I (or we, or everyone, or you, or whatever) got into Liz......welp, back in 6th grade this girl Kathy I was kinda friends w/ then was singing the chorus to Fuck and Run to a few ppl during recess. Then she said, "It's part of a Liz Phair song and the story of my life." A little earlier that year (actually, I have no idea when) I'd seen a little spread in Seventeen w/ diy singer-songwriters. There was someone whose album was like "Hi! My name is Johnny!" and a little bit on Liz. It was about girlysounds and seemed kinda interesting. Being impressionable and having a good memory that works in fucked up ways, when amazon.com finally came out w/ music (this was a few yrs after Seventeen and Kathy's recess serenade.......last June), my father suggested that I pick a few things out to put w/ his order just to like test it out or something. (I didn't ask....I mean, he offered!) By some heavenly impulse, I typed in liz's name, read some great reviews, and decided to give it a go. I listened to it for hours on end during a looooooooooooooooong phone call. After a few sessions of intentional listening, I was hooked. I bought whip-smart about a month later when I returned from a summer program. When I first put it in my stereo, I was kinda bracing myself, expecting it to be a little difficult to get into it. Chopsticks didn't seem too different from guyville, but when Supernova came on, I was like, "Damn! This is fun and so much more slick!" The whole album just kinda swished right by and I LOVED it. Yay. bundle of fun. Then I got Juvenilia and pre-ordered wcse. So that's the story. <> When did we bring up Kellie Martin, my beloved celebrity look-alike? Ok, so she's not beloved, but I feel some special kinship since at least 4 ppl on diff occasions have told me that I look like her. Of course, 3 of those happened a few yrs ago when her hair was brown and she was in that tv movie where she stabbed tori spelling to death. fine cinema. I see the resemblance, but from some angles we look quite different. And my best friend looks like Heather Graham. Yes, I get quite bitter. Often. Anybody else have some hollywood resemblance? Just wondering, why do you respect her? Weird question, but I think I missed something in a previous post alluding to her. Run, Lola, Run! Eat, Magic Baby Eat Magic, Baby EAT MAGIC BABY allison ---> piper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:12:08 EDT From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: My intro to Liz The first time I ever heard Liz Phair I didn't actually hear Liz Phair. I was a sophomore in high school and my best friend Liz (Nolen, not Phair) wrote me a note talking about how she couldn't keep a guy or something to that effect and she wrote, "Fuck and Run, Fuck and Run, even when I was 17, Fuck and Run, Fuck and Run, even when I was 12...." After reading that I knew I was going to love her music, and I borrowed her EIG tape and the rest is history. Oddly enough, I ended up meeting Liz Phair with Liz Nolen.......hmm..... Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Katie Lynne Subject: How I got into Liz, Trish Murhpy >>how is it that the people on the list were introduced to liz while the rest of the world remained semi-oblivious? what posessed you guys to buy your first liz phair cd?<< Ahhh...Lilith Fair written all over it. When I got the Entertainment Weekly mag with her and a few others on the cover, I mistook her for Sheryl Crow. I didn't get into her music till August last year, buying EIG and not having heard a single song by her before then. Well, turned out that I've heard Flower and Fuck and Run in my sister's car when I was 15 I believe. After EIG, I went back to the store to buy Whip-Smart and Juvenilia, then WCSE came out the week after that. Well, I'm sitting here, listening to a new cd by Trish Murphy cuz I just saw her at my fave cd store. I was surprised they even had special performances cuz the place is tiny. She only performed four songs, but I liked what I heard, so I bought her album and noticed I happened to be in line for autographs too. So, I had no idea what to say and blurted out I didn't know if it was worth the trip to check out her performance but a few friends recommended me to go. I'm glad I did too. She also noticed my Sheryl shirt and commented how she played at five Liliths and met Sheryl, saying she's nice. Ohh...they have a web site if anyone's interested to check it out. My next major visit there will be September 20 midnite! http://parkavecds.com Time to take your shoes off and smell your stinky feeeeeeeet! Katie ();) === ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I believe you believe in the myth of yourself." -Luscious Jackson ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Gould Subject: Undressed and Other Wastes Of Time Here's the opinion my friends and I have of Undressed it's the porn without the porn. They show everything up to the act and then stop. That means it has the stupid storylines of porn (well those few porns that actually have storylines) and nothing else. It is good for a few laughs, but my stomach always ends up stirring... Oh, here's my whole opinion on artists song-writing shit. If they're a talented song writer, i'd much rather here them sing they're own songs. However, if a singer has an awesome voice but can't write for shit I'd rather here them sing music that means something than stupid shit. (Ms. Spears and all the boy bands don't fall in that group obviously since their voices are always enhanced and shit...I'm talking about singers with awesome voices...) Did anyone notice a few weeks ago that 120 mins was coming on at like 11:30 or 12 and now it's gone??? Isn't that odd?? What's up with MTV? Oh, if any of you read YM (I don't but I was at my friends house and she gets it and I was bored so I read it...) the Oct. issue has Liz's ad...(just for those of you missed it...) Liz NP: nothing but I'm half watching Casablanca "I had a dream and you were in it You ran a race but you didn't win it I wasn't sorry to see you lose I would've paid good money to grease your shoes." --Liz Phair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #253 ************************************