From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #251 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 251 Today's Subjects: ----------------- my liz.. [MLevine171@aol.com] love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon ["steven the appa] response [Craig King ] Re: love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon [Ironic999@ao] Re: love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon [MLevine171@a] how I found liz ["Morrise, Jason" ] flammable. hot-hot-red-hot- ["Jaime" ] into Liz [Melissa Leigh ] RE: into Liz ["Osborne, Daniel" ] god damn am i glad i get digest rather than realtime [Dennis Junkoo Kim <] A.M. [Jason Long ] that weird girl with the nose chain! ["Jaime" ] sophie b [MrE ] my intro to liz ["Stacey" ] Re: firsts & stuff... ["Clint Curry" ] Who the hell is this Steve clown? [Mike Marlatt ] Is It Over Yet? ["M.L. Magdalene" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Re: Bounced message [MLevine171@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] re:liz [Nfa2ati0n@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] wonder if i'll ever bury the hatchet inside ["Nicole W." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:59:21 EDT From: MLevine171@aol.com Subject: my liz.. It IS weird that lots of people have never heard of her, and we have heard of her. It kinda makes us show up in a good way :) For me, I had heard her name mentioned once and awhile..Then she was on Lilith. I figured I'd give her a listen to see if I liked her. I had this guy in a used cd store put on 6'1, and I didn't like it at first. I hated her voice. Then last september, I bought the newest album, cause I had heard Polyester bride, and I loved it. I loved the album after a couple listens. Then in October, I got Exile to guyville..i figured I'd give it a try. I didn't like it at first, but it caught on..In late october, I started to love it. Then by February it was one of my favorite albums, and I got to see her open for Alanis. It was great! You can feel the wind blowing you as Liz plays the guitar. Then a couple months after I bought Whip-Smart. Loved that too! That's probably my favorite Liz album actually! A month or 2 after, I got the girlysound demos. So far I've only listened to girlysound tape 1, because my dad put it on cd. I love it. Some of the songs are so funny! Anyway..that's how I was introduced to liz... steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:27:57 -0500 From: "steven the apparition" Subject: love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon ok, i first heard liz way back when exile first came out. i saw the never said video on 120 minutes and thought the song was pretty cool and i liked the video more than anything. so i bought the album and the rest is history. at least to me. interesting note though, i was the first person i know of at my high school to get the album and i tried to get others to listen to little if no success. they were trying to get me to listen to some lady named sarah mclachlan who as of yet had not gotten super worldwide attention. so is it a matter of time? ok, part 2, liz at the indy lilith. i for one was supremely disappointed at the lack of crowd participation. except for what looked like a section in the pavilion and a couple of people in the lawn (including me all by my lonesome) everyone sort of half payed attention. it was amazing! although i am jealous of those of you who have seen her in smaller more intimate venues, i could not have imagined a more wonderful event. i agree with most, love-hate transmission rocks, some of the new stuff (don't apologize, fire walker) is incredible. if all that makes it onto the new album relatively unchanged, this could be the breakthrough. i though it interesting that she played only one song off WS and one (2?) off of WCSE everything else old was off exile. is this standard? pretty weak review huh, maybe more when my mind is less cluttered. in the words of barry white on whacking day, "my unlimited love to y'all" steven (formerly from indy, formerly treeshadow) in terre haute. "Life without music would be an intolerable insult" Edward Abbey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: response Nfa2atiOn@aol.com wrote: >>how is it that the people on the list were introduced to liz while the rest of the world remained semi-oblivious? what posessed you guys to buy your first liz phair cd?<< Great question! Well, my first introduction to Liz was in the Fall of '94 when I saw the "Supernova" video at a friends house. I loved the video and the song, but for some reason I didn't go out and buy Whip-Smart. 4 years passed and I saw that Liz was going to be on Letterman, so I decided to check it out. When she came out playing those first few magical chords of "Polyester Bride" I was hooked. The next day I went out and boutght WCSE, and bought all the other albums a few days later. I listened to all the albums religiously and Liz quickly became one of my top 2 favorite musicians along with Tom Petty. I finally got to see her live at the Lounge Ax on 3-14-99 (big shout out to my fellow Lounge Axers!) and again on 4-19-99 at the University of Chicago. Both shows were absolutely amazing and are 2 of the best live shows I've ever been too. I will continue to support Liz no matter what, as I am definately a Liz phan 4-life. I mean hell I even bought a "Liz guitar": A yellow Fender Music Master, which is the exact same guitar that she playes. Craig NP: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - Long After Dark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:45:00 EDT From: Ironic999@aol.com Subject: Re: love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon In a message dated 8/25/99 3:31:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, furlows@citrine.indstate.edu writes: << although i am jealous of those of you who have seen her in smaller more intimate venues >> when i saw liz, it was when she opened for...wait, i'm not supposed to say her name...everyone close your eyes....ALANIS!!! ok you can open them now. it was in an extremely small venue and the concert was announced last minute...i had front row for most of the concert, but i had 4th for liz's part. it was so funny because this venue only seats like a couple thousand or maybe less, i mean it was a college, and the place didn't get too filled up until just before "the main act" arrived on stage (i guess people were thinking that because someone that they'd never heard of was opening, they should get there right before the main act comes on, too bad, they missed a kick ass show), and literally no one was into the show except me, it was pretty sad. i'm positive she noticed me, the only person looking at the stage and screaming for her and all, and at one point during the set she asked the audience "do you want me to play a light, countryish song, or a dark deep song now?" and no one answered, so i screamed out as loud as i could "DARK DEEEEP!!!" and so she said "ok dark deep it is" and started into white chocolate space egg (i think that's what it was, the music was so damn loud that i couldn't even hear it until two songs into the main act's set)...but i felt proud that she'd listened! that's my favorite song of hers, after i got the cd that was all i listened to for like a month! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:20:19 EDT From: MLevine171@aol.com Subject: Re: love love love love hate hate hate hate transmiiiisooon The same goes for the feb 13th show where "anonymous" was the main act..Sorry but if I say her name, some people with emotional problems might get angry. At this show, hardly anyone was into Liz, and it's weird, because a lot of Alanis fans love Liz, (EH HEM!!!) but hardly anyone was loud. I was like thinking "COME ON PEOPLE! DOn't give Liz the wrong impression,that Alanis fans disrespect her" EH HEM!! But I loved Liz' performance. She rocked, and I'd definitely see her again if I get a chance. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:55:11 -0500 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: how I found liz in response to how I was turned on to liz, it was a combination of things. freshman year of college (1995) I remember reading about her in rolling stone. this was around the time that whip-smart came out. and I remember seeing the video for supernova (once) and hearing it on the radio a few times. so, I decided to buy ws and I just started listening to it. and then I later went out and bought eig, and it turns out that I liked it a lot better at first. as it turns out, I still like eig the best, but it's such a damn good album. I've grown to love ws, and wcse is a great collection in its own right, but maybe not so much of an album as far as continuity goes. but from what I've read on this list, that may be the fault of capitol. sometimes I like how polished it is, but sometimes not, and I like how she experiments with other sounds, esp. headache and baby got going. what can I say, though? she latched on to me with the blatant lyrics and the guitar-work in supernova, and listening to eig, I feel like she's right there telling me a story. I was always hooked, but it took a hard break-up for me to fall for her the way I did this may, and if it's the only concert I see in the coming year, I want it to be liz, in a small venue in chicago, playing her music the way SHE wants to play it. speaking of that, did anyone notice how she changed up the songs she played at lilith? it almost felt like listening the jewel's 'pieces of you' and then hearing it on the radio, like she had to make it sound more mainstream for the masses. it sounded good, but it was different, but then again, if I had to play the same songs the same way over and over, maybe it would be nice to mix them up a bit now and then. I guess it was about time I had some real liz content, hope you weren't bored. jason "help me jase, please I've lost my ssd to thieves they bully the topics and they hate they leave disturbing things in their wake" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:07:28 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: flammable. hot-hot-red-hot- >But you gotta admit that that thing she does with her head IS mildly >disturbing.... Did anyone see << insert ugly canadian chik's name I cannot mention >> on/at Woodstock ? What the hell was she on? Looked fun, but she also looked like she was having a seizure. Thank you-morphine, Thank you-cannabis, Thank you-Thank you-ampheta-mines... How about pulling this syringe out of my vein? How about passing that pill bottle... Thank you-crossroads... Thank you-exctasy! I'm flammable. And I lied about not posting I guess. 'i'm a loser, baby... so why dont you kill me?' --Beck --King of my world. I vote that Liz and Beck get married! All in favor, say 'eye'! i ~jaime* - - --- "The world is a whore." --Hole - - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:03:52 -0400 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: into Liz The first time I heard Liz Phair.... I was listening to the radio late at night kinda dozing off. Then I hear "everytime I see your face I get all wet between my legs." My ears perked up! I couldn't believe they were playing something like that on the radio (even if it was college radio) . I didn't know it was Liz at the time, it was just some crazy song that shocked and intrigued me. I was still pretty naive at 14/15. Hell, I still am... Anyway, a week or two later I was listening (different station) and the dj played 6'1 and I had to hear more. I walked down to the record store and bought EIG and then that "fuck you like a dog" song popped up again. I was enthralled and the tape didn't leave my walkman for months. 6'1 is really the song that caught me though. Now my finances will never be the same. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:28:46 -0400 From: "Osborne, Daniel" Subject: RE: into Liz My first time: I was riding in this girl's car 6 years ago, listening to a tape of some chick singing songs about giving blow jobs and I was like, "who is this?" Then I looked at the cover to Exile In Guyville and I was like, is that her nipple? A year later I bought Whip-Smart because I loved Supernova and then I bought Exile. I listened to them on and off until last year, when I got a free ticket to Lilith Fair. I was looking at the schedule and saw that Liz Phair was playing in Milwaukee. I was happy to hear that but I was BLOWN AWAY when I heard her play. I stood in line for an hour to talk to her and get her autograph (on the wcse I bought there for $18) and I simply became obsessed. Since then, Exile has become my favorite album and I've grabbed all the bootlegged CD's and mp3s I can find. I guess I won't talk about the first time I heard Alanis. I like her too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: god damn am i glad i get digest rather than realtime to the one who wondered what the C stands for in ECP: Clark. perhaps with an E. how i got into liz phair: very slowly. it's like i went down to the pool except it was frozen, so i went out there and stood on it for a while until it gradually melted and i could finally swim in it. i was an avid "Alternative Nation" and "120 Minutes" fan back in the day (ok. that's not back in the day. that's more like 4 in the afternoon. back in the day was when "Remote Control" was the only show on MTV) and I kept seeing Liz Phair videos. Specifically "Never Said." A little later, "Stratford-on-guy." I'd seen those videos so much that i'd learned the words before I bought the album. This is the point where I'm standing on the pool waiting for it to melt. I'd pretty much listened to all of Exile at one point or another, but i just wasn't into it enough to buy it. Years later, I'd gotten tired of listening to my friend's albums or waiting for radio play so I just went out and bought Exile and Whip-Smart used. Then I bought WCSE while i was interning at Stanford (new) last summer. There was nothing to do in the house i was staying in at Stanford so I listened to those albums pretty much continously. Then i joined the list. End of story (and to signify the end, I grab a fat lady and force her to sing). - --- "Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." -Samuel Johnson "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:48:34 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: A.M. At 11:21 AM 8/25/1999 -0500, Allison wrote: >Perhaps we could all answer that question instead of >ever mentioning again that other singer whose initials are A.M. Please please >stop talking about her. I don't like her or dislike >her, I just don't want to hear about her on this list anymore! Please. But damn, what if I want to talk about Aimee Mann?!? ;) Jase NP: Aimee, _Bachelor No. 2 (Limited Preview Edition)_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:58:05 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: that weird girl with the nose chain! <<>> yeah... jane or something like that. what they hell was her name. she was different, and I liked that song... hadnt thought about her in awhile, but i just saw her on one of those -compilation commercials- 'rockin in th 90's' or something cheesy like that. she kinda looked like colin quinn in the face. maybe its just me... ~jaime* **************************************************************************** ************* If anyone wants girlysounds tapes-- please send a request to: jaime227@exploremaine.com i will be volunteering my time in the name of liz to myself off this alan-ass moist-towellette bashing kick. **************************************************************************** ************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:17:39 -0700 From: MrE Subject: sophie b public service announcement - - 'Tongues and Tails' by Sophie B Hawkins is an extraordinary work...do nor hesitate to purchase...Whaler, on the other hand, is in need of a good harpooning... Momus - -- "Where'd you get these ideas?" Charlie Manson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:47:01 -0400 From: "Stacey" Subject: my intro to liz YAY!! a new thread!! ok..let's see here.... My first liz phair cd was Whip Smart... I was joining one of those music clubs were I got like fifteen cd's free, and I could only think of ten cd's I wanted so the rest I just randomly chose, hoping I'd like them. One of the cd's I picked randomly was Whip Smart....I listened to it once or twice, then I put it away. I don't remember having much of an initial reaction to it. Then about a month later, this random song popped into my head -- "when they do the double dutch, that's them dancing, when they do the double dutch, that's them dancing"...only I couldn't remember who sung it or what it was called.....So after about a week of annoying my friends singing the same line over and over, I decided to go through all my cd's and find the song. Eventually, I rediscovered WS, and from then on I was hooked. I think it was like the next day that I went out and bought EIG and Juvenilia... ok. The End :) - --Stacey >...which sort of makes me >wonder how all the people on here got into her... in other words, how is >it >that the people on the list were introduced to liz while the rest of the > >world remained semi-oblivious? what posessed you guys to buy your first >liz >phair cd? " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:35:22 MDT From: "Clint Curry" Subject: Re: firsts & stuff... >From: Nfa2ati0n@aol.com >Subject: why liz? >"...which sort of makes me >wonder how all the people on here got into her... in other words, how is >it >that the people on the list were introduced to liz while the rest of the > >world remained semi-oblivious? what posessed you guys to buy your first >liz >phair cd? " For me, someone on the Sheryl Crow fan forum said how much she looked like Sheryl Crow (?) and said how cool she thought she was (Liz). I bought wcse a couple of days later, loved it, and the rest is history. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:21:42 -0400 From: Mike Marlatt Subject: Who the hell is this Steve clown? In regards to Steve's outburst on Nicole: As one who has stepped into the odd flame war here and there let me say this; Is Nicole out there? Yes Does she get a little weird sometimes? Yes Does she weird me "right out" sometimes? Yes Does this bother me? No Have I come to see it as cute and funny? Yes Have I come to see it as somewhat neurotic? Yes Does she scare me? Yes Does she scare me? No Do I have friends I "see" who are somewhat neurotic? Yes "I don't see how you've come to be so respected on this list...." My response, I don't give a shit if you don't see it. Everyone here is pretty respected. Most the disrepected folks like you tend to disappear pretty quick. Steve, I spend a lot of time on two mailing lists. This one and the Dave Matthews Band "Nancies" list. This list has a real family feel to it. There's a real core of a 60 or so regulars. A lot of us have been here and/or on Guyville for a long time. This place is a garden of eden compared to the Dave list. That place is flame central. Actually, I should give you the address, you'll meet lots of people just like you. "Shut the fuck up, because we could care less about your stupid little depressed bashing about what you hate." Don't be saying "we", Pal. And here's a tip, you Alanis-loving-bitch (I giggled when I typed that! I mean give me a break, the "guy" loves Alanis?), if you don't like what she's got to say use your scroll bar and click past it. Nicole, my perfect eared, bigger than 34C breasted cyber friend/stranger; Don't go changin' (but don't get any weirder if you know what I mean?!!!!!) MIKE MARLATT Investment Advisor NESBITT BURNS INC. Work Tel: 604-443-1622 Fax: 604-443-1490 Toll Free: 1-888-346-3133 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:17:02 PDT From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Is It Over Yet? >and don't even *talk* to me about who's the biggest list bitch Oh now don't YOU fucking start.... >And lastly, for the people who post every other word as 'fuck...' >sure, >fuck's a great word, but any word gets tiresome when you use it >too much. I suppose next you're going to to expect me to cut the word "the" out of my vacabulary? >Someone asked recently how we all got interested in Liz in the first > >place. Perhaps we could all answer that question instead of >ever mentioning again that other singer whose initials are A.M. Okay..i'll work with you on this one... first heard her from a friend of mine who listened to all the neat-o music like The Cure....Janes Addiction...and Liz obviously... M _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:28:03 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Jaime" Subject: I'm a communist-hippie with a bloodlust and an itchy trigger finger... dont fuck with me. > I'm sorry, but didnt congress pass that law stating that "Liz Phair is > queen reining far above everyone else, especially those from Canada and who > debuted on 'you cant do that on television'." <> YES STEVE-- THATS EXACTLY WHAT THAT SENTENCE SAYS... I'M AGAINST CANADIANS. I'M ALSO AGAINST NICKELODEN, I BELIEVE THE ENTIRE NETWORK IS RUN BY SATANISTS, WHO ARE TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR COUNTRYS CHILDREN... EXCUSE ME, I MUST GET GOING, I HAVE TO GO PLAN MY OVER-THROW OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT... THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING... OH, AND I STARTED THAT Y2K RUMOR... DONT YOU ALL FEEL SILLY NOW? SLEEP TIGHT STEVE... ~jaime* - - --- "The world is a whore." --Hole - - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:32:14 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Ken Davis" Subject: I'm the bitch of the list goddamit!!!! As the one person on the list who has actually met Alannis (she's my Ottawa, Ontario homegirl)....I think the Alannis-bashers should worry more about the music they like and less time on the music they don't. If something comes on the radio I don't like, I change the station. How hard is this? Alannis is really nice in person (though I think the city of Ottawa is more proud of Tom Green and Steve Yzerman than they are of Allanis Morisette) Also...please don't blame Canada for her being on the airwaves in the USA -> there are tons of great Canadian bands that never sell any records in the States because they are labeled: too intelligent (I'm not kidding!!!) or too Canadian (whatever the hell that is). If you ask for Barenaked Ladies..that's what we send you. It's not Canada's fault you didn't ask for something better. Liz related point: Did anyone read the War Against Silence review of wcse? I know I sent it to NicODB ..but here it is for everyone else: http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0188.html This guy writes the most over-the-top analysis of music I have ever seen...though his credentials are solid with me (he likes Liz, the Rheostatics, Belle & Sebastian and Field Mice) Big Ups to Nepean Kzen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:36:08 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Sarah May Scott" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #248 I must say I actually enjoyed hearing the arguments for and against Alanis, Lopez, or just writing about either. I don't lke Alanis much, but I do admit that her songs are catchy if that means much for long term listening pleasure, not really. Along the lines of the Ricky/Lopez talk, check out "Buena Vista Social Club," a collection of songs by a bunch of cuban musicians. I'm all for catchy latin hybrid tunes, but the classic genre is just superior. Cesa Rosa anyone? Can we bash Dave Matthews band next??? Living in a college town, I'm hard up to find anyone who is willing... sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:36:43 EDT From: MLevine171@aol.com Subject: Re: Bounced message In a message dated 08/25/1999 10:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jase@bconnex.net writes: > > OH, AND I STARTED THAT Y2K RUMOR... DONT YOU ALL FEEL SILLY NOW? > That's the only funny comment u've said so far.. lol steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:47:59 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Dr. Tristan Kingsley-Reynbolt" Subject: Now, I must add somewhat to the discussions at hand. . . Everybody! A response to. . . >>From: "Michael Worrell" >>Subject: OT: WTH is Sophie B. Hawkins? >> >> Having a great deal of faith in the reviewing capabilities of SSD, let >>me pose a question that would be best answered by the august body of >>experience represented here... >> >> Who the hell is Sophie B. Hawkins? >> >> What's she done, and why should I care? >> >> Reason I ask is that I've seen her latest album in stores, and I can't >>figure out how a cello player gets an explicit content sticker. >> First of all, Sophie B. Hawkins first saw fame by her song "Damn, I Wish I was Your Lover" on her Tongues and Tails album. It also boasted a really fucked up interpretation of Jack and Jill on the B-Side of the tape. This song got a lot of air play back in 93 or 94. . .I think those are the years. I bought the album with a conceited attitude and it amazed me with the quality of the music. Then, she came out with Whaler, her new(er) album and it seems to be somewhat decent, but not as good as the first one. The part of her that draws me to listen to her talent is that she speaks her mind in a rather unusual way, but still gets the point through. Most of her music seems to be non-explicit-lyric-type, but there are a few which are "questionable", at least to the concerned few who think that *their* lyric and content rating will prevent suicidal/homicidal crazed teens AND adults in the world. I would have to say that her music is one that you've gotta experience (at least once) before you could judge her goodness/poorness. - ---------- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ---- AND NOW. . . ---- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ In reply to/defense of. . . >> From: "Jaime" >> Subject: fuck alan-ass and her groupie-fuck heads Jamie, I completely agree with you, but with a bit of factual basis. I worked as a backstage assistant engineer at a local music center when Alanass played there. I spent most of the preshow asleep, but had to work her set. From the monitors, she SUCKS. Her voice is extremely poor and she is very ill-mannered. She seemed to derive her popularity from being one of those who stuck their heads out when the "pissed-off female songwriters" came out and became popular on the music scene. It seems that many in the engineering side of the music industry seems to NOT like her very much, and with reason. She seems to think that she is all that and that no one else can come close. If you don't believe me, try talking to her. It shows in her attitude. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN ALANASS WAS ALRIGHT. THEN, WE **ALL** GOT TIRED OF LISTENING TO HER WHINE ABOUT HER POOR LIFE. Sarah McLachlan is from Canada and seems to have done great with her writing. She doesn't whine! AND, she is very pleasant to meet. There isn't a tint of ill-mannerism from her. Plus, she doesn't act like she's the total shit. And, even if she did, she has the absolute right to. Look at how many albums she's got out, look at her accomplishments. Of course, I would have to say that many people are being killed because of their peers supressing their RIGHT TO BASH AND SAY THINGS ABOUT OTHERS TO THEIR HEARTS CONTENT. Just think, keep it cooped up inside you until you can't handle it anymore. . .then get a gun, RPG, large sword, crossbow, fertilizer bomb in the back of a large semi, or even large biological warfare, and kill all who doesn't let you say what you want to say. Remember, "sanity is madness put to use." - proverb SO, Jamie-babe, defend what you (yourself) believe in. Some of us out there still do! (and aren't afraid to speak it). Now, that's maturity! Sorry, not flamin', just explainin' l8tr all. . .now, can we get back to some Liz content? TKR - ------------------------------------------------- "Doc R. Holliday", The Centre for Professional, Enterprise, Overly-Excessive, and Straight Nigger-Rigged Computing Devices, Ideas, Theories, and Applications ^-----Sorry, not PC. . . - --**End of Transmission**-- Message Routed from Ally @ SC001, Port 25 NP: (On main stereo) Kristin Hersh, Sky Motel (In darkroom) The Ramones, I Wanna Be Sedated (On Ally [main server]) Roger Waters, Live In Berlin (On my guitar) Liz, Polyester Bride. . .in acoustic - --=====================_18495921==_.ALT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:49:57 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #249 >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:50:06 EDT >From: AGsPackage@aol.com >Subject: Re: COPYRIGHT LAWS-- not as boring as youd think! >Im aware that the recorded songs that are commercially available are >copyrighted but since when are live performances copyrighted? Get this: any original work is copyright the creator as soon as it comes into existence. if you actually want a legal leg to stand on, you pay $20 and get a government copyright. as far a copyright is concerned, a recording of a song and the performance of the same song are the same. it's not the medium, it's the song. If you want the government's words: The owner of the copyright has the exclusive right to do and authorize others to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, PERFORM PUBLICLY, display publicly, and perform publicly by means of a digital audio transmission the work in question. So if you booted a show, you'd have made a copy of the work being performed publicly without permission from the owner of the copyright. - --- "Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." -Samuel Johnson "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:57:19 EDT From: Nfa2ati0n@aol.com Subject: re:liz i might accidentally be sending this to the list twice; if that's the case, sorry... >> I don't think Polyester Bride was a very good choice for the first single/only video off of WCSE. >> polyester bride was the first liz song i ever heard. they actually played it on the radio a fair amount on one station here in dc. mostly, i was surprised by it, because from the small amount of press on liz that i had read, i expected something much... harder, i guess. i actually liked the sound of it, kinda, but it's not the sort of song that would convince me to buy an album. it just sounded pleasant and poppy but not very earthshaking. still, the discrepancy between the sound of the song and what i had heard about liz made me think that there was more too her... and it put her on my radar screen. i was something like 11 when exile in guyville came out and other than hearing liz's name, pretty much missed the whole wave of publicity that came with it. i finally got hooked on liz when i picked up the what's up matador comp... i bought it just cuz it looked kinda interesting and it was only like, 7.50 for a 2 disc set. i thought stratford on guy was pretty good, and i loved stuck on an island, so i read up on liz and was convinced by what i read that i had to buy exile in guyville... >> I know that Capitol most likely wanted someting VH1-friendly, but I think we're all pretty much in agreement that What Makes You Happy would've been a better choice for a single and still have been suitable for folks who prefer Vh1-type stuff. >> am i the only one on the list who doesn't really like What Makes You Happy? i think it starts really good-- i love the verses-- but the chorus isn't that great and the second half of the song is pretty much just the same phrase repeated over and over. to me, it feels like half of a good song that liz couldn't think of an ending for. i think johnny feelgood would have been the best first single, but even that song is no supernova. ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:14:50 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Partha Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #246 > From: AGsPackage@aol.com > Subject: Need help locating song title > > The only lyrics I have are "I have heard that before" and the song has been > called "If there's a GOD up in heaven". Im to tired to look through lyric > sites so if any of you can tell me what song this is, I will appreciate it. > Thanks, -Tim - Begining to see the light. pat mazumdar@eagle.cc.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:38:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: wonder if i'll ever bury the hatchet inside Okay I'm sure that if anyone read my post in the last digest (#250), and then read a post accusing me of not dropping the issue i said I was going to drop, you realize I did actually drop the issue and was talking about something totally different, but hey... illiteracy is a big problem, and I am not goin to blame someone for never learning to read. I'd say dial 1-800-ABCDEFG, but haven't you wondered how someone who can't read is supposed to dial that number? So anyway, if not a case of illiteracy, it's just someone lookin to continue a fight (and get the last word in). GET. THE. FUCk. OVEr IT!!! I am. UGH. UGH UGH UGH UGH!!! Why is MTV airing this quasi-soap opera "Undressed"? I was watching Daria, and I've just left the TV on, and now this show is on... I watched it last night too cuz I was watching the real world and then that downtown show which I've seen twoice and kind of dig, and then it came on while I was working on pre-packin for school. It's just... dumb. I think it's going to go the same way as "Dead at 21" At least that show had that cute guy, though. Unfortunately, MTV had some highly entertaining shows that died a quick death. I personally enjoyed You Wrote It, You Watch It (hey... with jon stewart hosting and the state acting, how can you go wrong?) and The State. Anyone else? Shit I just realized, you can go wrong with the State acting (think Viva Variety). Oh well. Anyway, I think it's really funny how many people responded to the question about Sophie B Hawkins. Shows how starving for a change of subject listers are, I guess. About Kellie Martin, I used to think she was so annoyin cuz she is in so many made-for-tv movies, but her article3 in the September Jane mag. is really touching and it made me respect her more. As a person. I still don't dig all the TV movies. She's lucky she got a gig on ER. Okay I am going to work on getting my new graphic up on my site. BTW-- whatever happened to Herbert Hoover? I think he'd have a great time flaming some people on this list. Okay I'm so sick of BWP parodies ... TV going OFF!! Much better. Later, Nicole P.S. Umm... I just realized htat I really shouldn't care if people on this list hate me, because you're only cyber people. I'm only a cyber person to you, I mean it's not an insult or anything. But it hurts my cyber feelings anyway. Which isn't to say that I care if certain people hate me, but if the general public does, then I get a litlte sensitive. Okay bye. that's too much info i just shared. * * * * * * * * * * * * "Perfect is a fault, and fault lines change." -R.E.M. "Push me and I will resist/ This behavior's not unique" -Pearl Jam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:42:08 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Sophie B., ECP, and other things Well...finally I've managed to kick over a /positive/ anthill, eh comrades? Eh? Like...OK...this is the third damned time I've started to write this, 'cause Windows '98 has decided to take a damned nosedive on me twice before when writing this mail. Damn the second Blair Witch screensaver. Damn you at Haxan! Aaanyways, here goes my take on the day's previous posts: Starting with Shelly, hey ho, let's go...blitzkrieg e-mail! "Well...easy for me, it was a mistake! I was in looking for a particular song, not knowing the title or the musician and I bought "Exile In Guyville", thinking it was someone else (If you can even begin to believe it...Sophie B. Hawkins) I know, sort of weird, huh?" As one of the kids in Episode I said, "That's way wizard", but I won't call you 'Annie'. Hell, if I spent an entire movie being called 'Annie' by a seven-foot flop-eared alien, I'd turn to the Dark Side, too. However, Qui-Gon Jinn, despite being a old long-haired Jedi radical, he did have one thing right, "Nothing happens by coincidence." You were meant to give this particular answer. Just think, back in 1993 or so, you were fumbling towards Phairity whilst hunting for Sophie, all so that you could interject timely commentary on 24 August 1999, as part of my seeking (although not desperately; Madonna and Rosanna Arquette aren't my cup of tea, whether it be hot, Earl Grey, or sweet and iced) Sophie. In other news, the war over Canadian music continued on the Alanis front, with the following overheard in the front lines: "I think Britney has loads more talent than Alan-ass..." "I don't think I would go so far as to say that...." For once, this non-impartial reporter will take the side of the latter, noting that in both cases, you're looking at miniscule quantities of the aforementioned variable. As Tom DeFalco used to sign off Marvel Comics' letters pages of the 1970s, 'nuff said. Next, Robbie of "The Slick Divide" emerged from relative obscurity to enlighten this befuddled CD purchaser, who has already fumbled past ecstasy (damn good album!), but was still fumbling around Sophie. And yea, verily Robbie said unto me... "...her latest effort has been hit with what I like to call the Aimee Mann Syndrome." and "The reason it has an explicit content sticker is due to... well, explicit content" Robbie, thanks. As for the content, well, I didn't know. It had occurred to me to ask "What, is the cello part reminiscent of a '70s porno soundtrack? Suggestive movements of the bow? Or perhaps something a little more direct, like "I'll play you 'till your rosin's blue", something that sounds like it could be painful, but might be fun as hell getting to. Next, Sally Mae (any kin to Ellie Mae?) wrote "Britney Spears, the soft porn star". To which I reply with a quote from Imus In The Morning, probably made byBernard McGuirk: "Her (Britney Spears') parents are marketing kiddie porn!" To which I agree. I'll tell you one more time, (and then I'm going to hit you) keep your damned "honeyed thighs" (to hell with you, Rolling Stone...) closed and your chest of questionable volume out of my sight. Thank you. Of course, it has seemed that the last few major teen pop stars have had previous engagements on the Mickey Mouse Club from the 1980s and 1990s. You'd think the Communist Chinese intelligence services could maybe see to um...you know, "accidents" with other MMC alums, in order to save American culture so that they can steal it. Note to PRC: If our country's rotting in teen sugar-pop, we won't be building any more highly sophisticated warheads for you little schmucks to steal from us. All the engineering types will be...um...in the bathroom, yeah, that's it...to the next manufactured teen porn queen/pop star. As for the remarks towards Martin/Lopez, if any of the ones you liked sprung from my feckless keyboard, thank you. It does a writer good to hear positive remarks. ^_^ She .sig-ed her post with "Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together in new shapes of your choosing.", by a chap named O'Brien from "1984". Sally Mae, where does one find this guy? We need /him/ in Washington, not the homely hick from Hope or Junior Bush. Well, before you say anything...I was always rooting for Trevor Goodchild in Aeon Flux. He had good ideas, too. =P Shelly struck back later with plenty of good information, which I greatly appreciated. For an inside glance to the workings (or not) of the music selection process of me, open up her message, have it nearby, and read on: Most music I buy is bought because in one way or another, it pings highly on what I've come to call "The Butt-head Scale", so named for that clueless teen from MTV, which took a break from More Trendy Videos to show us what life really is like when couch fishing is all you can do. What makes up "The Butt-head Scale"? Well, the music itself has to either elicit a "Huh huh huh.../cool/..." or a "Yes!" when played back for my misbegotten ears. Most notably, an artist named ECP pings this one pretty strongly with a wee little song we call 'Supernova'; anyone able to work military hardware into a song can't be all that bad. Does this mean you folks are with stupid now, as you (hopefully /someone/) reads this? Absolutely not. I just had to put a name on a simple process that I used to decide if I liked something. Most notably, those things which elicit the aforementioned responses aren't always what got our friend Butt-head to say the same things, but you know.... Next, Jason Morrise asked: "michael, you have referred to ecp in previous posts, and I gather those are initials for elizabeth phair, but what does the 'c' stand for?" Transliterated, it means Elizabeth Clark Phair, I hope. I ran across that one someone's page whilst doing research on ECP before deciding to get on the Phairwagon in late spring 1998. If it's not, I'll go from feeling smug about fooling a poli-sci teacher in a class on elections in a report, where I once quoted that, "According to E. Clark Phair, late of Oberlin College, in her latest work 'Whitechocolatespaceegg', "You have got to have shitloads of money." ", to feeling rather stupid. If that be the case, you would be with stupid now. Of course, the doc fell for it, and I don't think anyone ever gave me away. Dave Bodamer asked about my NP next, saying "This was a stroke of shear marketing brilliance. Somehow they've managed to release a soundtrack to a movie that had no soundtrack. Is it good? What's on it?" Well, from my experience so far, it's mostly industrial/Goth, but I could be wrong. It's /OK/...nothing worth trading a KML WCSE Sessions 2 CD set for, but it's still cool. Mark Schmidt continued the deluge of SBH info, adding to my previously empty bank of knowledge. In fact, this post was the thing that pinged ye olde Butt-head Meter, eliciting a "Huh huh huh...cool..." from me, and the deciding factor for me to go and get this album. More on that later...yes, I said later. Of course, /one/ thing had been changed, and my hope for a quick-fix of CD porn was cut short, despite Mark's enticing description of the liner photos. Damnit. :P Speaking of Ms. Etheridge, I was channel-surfing (anyone still do that?), and saw /her/ hosting a show on Lifetime Television, about mysterious occurrences. To which I thought "I've got a mysterious occurrence for you, Mel...how the hell do you get a show, while Jenny McCarthy rots in oblivion after NBC canned her sitcom?" He concluded with another gem, "My guess is that they just deal with sexuality in a little-too-frank manner, probably using some of the forbidden words. Gee, who else do we know who makes songs like that?" Well, gee...I dunno. Liz Phair? Naah. Could it be the infamous Alanis Morissette? Damn straight, boys and girls! My former infatuation arch-enemy, MLevine noted something about Miz Hawkins: "As I'm reading this Sophie thread, I dont know if anyone posted this, but Sophie tried to release the new album, and her record company wouldn't let her, because there was a mandolin in the hit single. Isn't that ridiculous?" Yep...if one bad-ass blonde hadn't already thought of it, I'd say she was with stupid then. =P And now for something completely different: Allison wrote "Perhaps we could all answer that question instead of ever mentioning again that other singer whose initials are A.M. Please please stop talking about her. I don't like her or dislike her, I just don't want to hear about her on this list anymore! Please" Bleh! I'll talk about Aimee Mann all I damn well please...as long as Jase allows it. ;) On that sarcastic note, I'll end this shot. Incidentally, I went out and bought "Timbre", if anyone cares. I do agree with the content rating; it's a right explicit little ride, especially track three...which is as far as I've gotten, since I'm having to get a bunch of shit together for classes which start tomorrow...and I have an 0800. Life is not a box of chocolates, you nitwit...it's not bloody fair! Somehow, my music purchases are seeming to reflect a weakness for "smoky" voiced women. Hrrm...may be a pattern here...looks like all that exposure to Erin Gray on 'Buck Rogers' may have done something positive twenty years later. Wilma, I am /definitely/ home if you're doing the cooking. Fumbling towards building a mystery, all whilst pointedly avoiding any opportunities to go west.... Michael NP: "32 Lines", Sophie B. Hawkins Huh huh huh...cool.... (No, George Junior...not thirty-two lines of coke. Bad Bush! Bad!) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #251 ************************************