From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #242 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, August 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sex and the single woman ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Ignorance Is Bliss ["M.L. Magdalene" ] oh well...whatever... [MrE ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] my underwear story [Meow Grrl ] mmmmm....Britney Spears.... ["Bramble, Ted J." ] liz at indy lilith [farstrider@earthlink.net] REVIEW Liz at Lilith Cleveland 8/17 ["Mark Schmidt" ] GIRLYSOUNDS FOR SALE--- ONLY $31.00 !!! WHAT A DEAL! ["Jaime" ] More about Lilith, and the used CD issue... ["Mark Schmidt" ] Re: IS LIZ DOING MODELING? [DiskoBoy23@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:17:24 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: sex and the single woman Liz lovers far and wide, Sandra said: "Sex is the most fun you can have without laughing." Not for me. I like to laugh during sex. I don't mean laughing at my lover or anything -- I mean sex is FUN, and when I'm having fun, I like to laugh. It's a joyous experience (usually). Haven't you ever gotten the giggles during sex? C'mon, admit it, sure you have. I don't remember anybody ever commenting on that post re: how Liz used to give a marble to a guy she dated at Oberlin, every time they had sex. I thought that was tres amusant. I thought someone would make a smarty-pants joke about losing one's marbles or something. Does it follow, then, that one should take back a marble each time an ex-lover has sex with someone else? Hmm. Hurricane Cindy 34A and dead sexy, marbles intact. NP: Phairities (ethically acquired, thanks for asking -- I'm an Ebay virgin) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:34:38 PDT From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Ignorance Is Bliss Sorry for posting twice--but i got two digests so..... DarkSideOfTheMoon wrote: >For God's sake if people want to listen to or worship Nirvana and >their >music let 'em. It's not hurting anyone. It's the sick fucks who >shoot up >schoolyards and rape the planet (and us) that we need to >worry about. I must say--that was very well put, so please don't die otherwise i might get repremanded for thinking anything you said was valid. M "If Ignorance is Bliss Then Wipe This Smile off my Face" Rage Against The Machine _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:15:38 -0700 From: MrE Subject: oh well...whatever... kurt is dead...kurt still lives...if you want to "move on", then by all means do so...at your own expense...i suppose the pig teat upon which the masses suckle will suffice the cravings of the typical attention span...but some of us want the whole ham...and if this makes no sense to you, then please feel free to ignore this feeble attempt to communicate and volume up your smash mouth to 11...your lose is not mine, my tastes are not yours, your opinion will not deter my interests in the slightest...oh nevermind...the next sound you hear, will be the vapid hissing of a world in conformance to the 'music mandators...a world without grunge...belongs to celine dion (no offense to my canadian cohorts)...'hey now, your a rock star'...oh please save us from ourselves...and if possible...from smash mouth... the preceding rantette has been brought to you by: "The Where's Axel? Foundation" your friends in the fight for the post-punk-hair-neoglam-pregrunge-alternasomething movement. and when it comes right down to it, it don't mean nothing at all...'cause after all, all we're really after is something to bicker about...and that unfortunate reality, is the only reality we seem to have anymore...unfortunately... hats off...to cooler heads... and if you think the above makes a nil amount of sense...welcome to my nightmare...i think you're gonna like it...i think you're gonna feel...right at home... a momentary lapse of reason Momus - -- "While I was shaving, i understood my whole purpose Now, I have forgotten. I remember thinking - if I had my tape recorder or notebook I could get this down before I forget it. I went on shaving my face and scalp quickly forgetting everything. this poem is dedicated to my lost purpose." - Steven Jesse Bernstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:08:53 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: elizabethclark@chickmail.com Subject: Buddy's Back! Liz at Lilith: Cleveland Good news! Buddy's back! It's just my opinion, but Liz seemed much happier and more relaxed at this show than at the Saturday Detroit show. It was damn hot (or is that Hot Damn!..?.. ;)...) but she and Buddy looked like they were having a great time together on stage. He was singing along and bouncing around with Liz. I guess I'm just spoiled from seeing them play together so much, but it was good to see them play together again..it seemed weird seeing Liz play with someone else. {And for the fashion police, she had on the white top with the fringes and orange-ish skirt that she wore at (was it Seattle or Portland?)} Anyway, this show was great. She played Don't Apologize and Love/Hate Transmission again. In my opinion, if these two songs are any indication of the direction her next album will take, I think it will be a much (heavier?) more rocking album than WCSE was and will be a new direction for her, different (again) from her previous albums. I'm really in love with Love/Hate Transmission and can't get it out of my head! If you haven't heard it, it is *somewhat* like What Makes You Happy, at least at the end of both songs. "a Love Love Love...Hate Hate Hate...Transmission...." Does anyone have a copy of this song? Can you describe it better? It's definately one of those songs I would listen to very loudly while flying down the road singing along at the top of my lungs appreciating on a beautiful sunny day. (And what does she say that she asked her mother(?) to do? "But she didn't do it.") She didn't sign at the Tower booth, much to my disappointment. And yes, ya'll are correct about not having to buy CDs in Detroit. After thinking about it, I did notice that some of the CDs were beat up, but that's just what the security guy said when he explained the two lines to me and like a dummy I believed him. Sorry! Other Liz-news: Has it been mentioned before that there are at least three Liz "appearances" in the Rock adn Roll Hall of Fame? Although she doesn't have her own display, and obviously hasn't met the 25 year waiting period yet, she can be found for a few seconds at the end of the video display on the ground floor (Never Said audio and 2 brief Never Said video shots), at the end of the history of rock and roll video in the theatre on the floor by the cafe (extremely brief Supernova clip), and in the Print Media display (on the cover of Raygun magazine). I say *at least* because those were the only ones I found. Does anyone know of any others I missed? I was very pleased by this, especially since it appeared that the last update to the displays was around 1995 or so. Does anyone know if this is accurate? Will they and/or when will they update the displays again? At any rate, it was nice to see at least a few nods of recognition to Liz. =) Just thought you'd like to know.... _ _ _ PS-I haven't noticed too many Lilith posts....isn't anyone else going to Lilith? Yeah, I know - I'm busy too. I only have posted because I can't sleep. All of this driving... *And* I know that if I can't go to a show I like to at least read about it so I've convinced myself that I'm being productive while I'm awake... =) Did anyone go to Deer Creek? If so, do tell...please? Just curious.... Signing off....maybe I'll get some sleep soon... - --- ***************************************************** "...if you've got a one in a million girl"....... ***************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Meow Grrl Subject: my underwear story Preliminary disclaimer: No Liz content here. Just a funny story. Scroll and skip if you like. A few Saturdays ago I went to see Kelly Willis play for free at City Hall Plaza in Boston. My country-music guilty pleasure. Outdoors. Nice night. I am alone, b/c, well, this country music thang isn't really shared by anyone I’m close to. But I am meeting friends later so this is cool. Anyway, I sit down all by my lonesome to see the opening band, Catie Curtis, a local folksie-country chick who apparently has a big following in Boston, or so it seemed from the crowd. I'm sitting on the concrete on the 'floor'--if we are to liken this to an actual club show. I have 'great seats.' So Catie is done with her set, and since a lot of the crowd is in fact leaving, I get up to walk around and make a phone call. I leave, make my phone call, and I am walking back to the stage area. City Hall Plaza is a huge open area in downtown Boston with concrete steps on all sides and high-rises across every street. I am walking ... and passing over, hence stepping on, this metal grate on the ground. I am a vision in brown, with brownish skin (kinda tan; it’s summer), brown hair (or dark blonde), brown summer dress, brown sandals, and even brown toenails. And all of a sudden there's this huge blast of hot air below me, and it's like the Seven Year Itch come to life -- I feel like Marilyn Monroe. But whereas Marilyn was sexy and held her dress down oh-so-coquettishly, my own dress literally flies way the hell up around my waist--maybe even my ribs. I yank it back down and, holding it there with my arms, whirl around to see who has witnessed this humiliating moment. A see a couple who has caught the entire thing, and we all exchanged shocked looks with one another, then we all sort of laugh. I turn away, still laughing, no doubt blushing like crazy, and hurry off. But as I'm leaving, I hear the guy say, in a don't-worry-about-it tone: "You look awesome!" No doubt he'd think so. Under my dress all I had on was one thing: a teeny thong -- fire-engine red. - -sandra NP: 70s mix with "In the Summertime" by Mungo Jerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:20 -0700 From: "Bramble, Ted J." Subject: mmmmm....Britney Spears.... ......sacralicious..... mmmmmmm > the lowest common denominator is alive > and well (and buying britney spears cds!). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:12:22 -0500 From: farstrider@earthlink.net Subject: liz at indy lilith here is what our local paper had to say about liz at last nights performance. Liz Phair (3 1/2 stars), who debuted three new songs during her 40-minute set, should be the once and future queen of modern rock. Resembling a Hullabaloo dancer in a little red dress, Phair offered lean, tough versions of the yet to be recorded Don't Apologize and Love-Hate Transmission. When she reached back to 1993's classic Exile in Guyville album, Phair met the chilling challenges of Divorce Song, Mesmerizing, and Never Said.- David Lindquist Indianapolis Star 8/19/99 maybe sometime i will write about my first liz experience, im still in shock and wonder. steven ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:39:38 PDT From: "Mark Schmidt" Subject: REVIEW Liz at Lilith Cleveland 8/17 Jason and I were just discussing why there aren't more Lilith reviews posted to the list. I wonder if maybe no one's going, due to severe allergic reactions to the hype, ridiculous ticket prices, or fear of epileptic seizures when Sar-uh starts singing. Anyway, I went, and here's how it was... Cleveland sucks. The road to the venue was closed, necessitating a detour that took one HOUR to complete. Parking was free, and only a HALF MILE from the gate. The lawn, where we sat, was huge. So huge that it allowed the venue to hold more people than it could really service. The line for food was longer than the Dixie Chicks' set. BTW, who the hell leaves a TREE in the middle of the lawn at a concert venue? This was my first Lilith trip. The hippie clothes sales booths and activism booths and all that were interesting for about one minute. The "Girls Rule" temp tattoos that Biore gave out with their free samples became omnipresent and annoying in that same minute. I completely did not get the whole empowerment thing, or the cult of Sar-uh, of any of it. It was ridiculously expensive, completely commercial, and lacking any spontaneity. And it wasn't just me, the chromosomally unequipped one, who didn't get it. My wife was fed up with the whole thing, too, especially by the end of the day, when the restroom situation had reached its low point. Women had appropriated the mens restrooms too, so that as I stood at a urinal doing my business, women watched me who were standing directly behind me waiting for stalls. In the women's restrooms, my wife said that, lacking a convenient receptacle, women had thrown their used feminine products in heaps on the floor. "If this is what it means to be a feminist these days..." she said. But as for the music... Deborah Cox' R&B was pleasant but unspectacular. She wore black vinyl and appeared to be even smaller than Liz. Susan Tedeschi, on the second stage, WAILED. We were hoping for a Joplin cover, since she really had that vibe going. We'll have to look for her music in the store. Then came Liz. I'm listening to the MD recording I made of the show right now, which turned out terribly--not good enough to trade, so don't ask please. So I can give you all the facts. Here's the whole set, including EVERY word that Liz uttered. Just like you were there... [Mesmerizing] "We're damn glad to be here!" [6'1"] "Woo! Are you hot? I like those little tents up there. It's very medieval you know, hey, horses riding all across..." [Never Said] "Now we'd like to play a new song for you. It's called Don't Apologize." [Don't Apologize] "Are you guys dying out there, or is it just me? I am SO hot! Woo! Just makes you wanna run out and dance naked, doesn't it?" "This song is called Divorce Song." [Divorce Song] [Polyester Bride] "This song's called Fuck and Run." [Fuck and Run] "Anybody have a hair rubber band? (laughs) That you'd wanna toss up on stage? So talk to me; how do you guys feel? (cheer) How many guys? Yeah? I'm half guy." [Supernova] "Okay, this is our last song. And it's a new one. But, uh... Get your butts up!" [Love/Hate Transmission] "Thank you so much!" You can see there wasn't a lot of stage patter. The schedule they passed out at the show said Liz had 40 minutes; the one on the Lilith site said she only had 30. She only played 30. Many of the bands seemed to fear the stage managers; no one even came very close to filling their alloted time; they played and got the hell out of the way before the set started coming down around them. No encores, of course; just that big singalong at the end of Sar-uh's set that we didn't stick around for. Liz wore a long skirt and the same top as she did at the 7/9 show. Check the Lilith site for pix of that show; pretty much same outfit, but I think a darker skirt. She was fun to watch, but it didn't feel much like a Liz show, because she didn't talk much, and it was SO short. Pretty businesslike, which was really the theme for the day. I thought Liz was well-received. At least until Dixie Chicks came on and everyone went NUTS. They got as good a reception as Sar-uh, and better than Sheryl Crow. They also got to play much longer than Liz, and then spent half of their time talking (Grrr...) Sheryl's set was very good. She's gotten a pretty good stage presence, and there were fresh new treatments of some of her songs to keep things interesting. She was the only artist to have video screens onstage (the venue didn't have any) but didn't use them to help the people far away see what was going on--they only showed footage of building falling, and buffalo running, and junk like that. Then there was Sar-uh. We left after her third song. The drinking fountains had quit working by then. The restrooms were nasty. But the exit from the parking lot was, mercifully, quite speedy. And now, as if I hadn't editorialized enough already... A RANT: So what good was this year's Lilith? Maybe it lengthened the delay before we have a new Liz Phair album. If she would have been touring anyway, then Lilith just kept me from seeing her in a reasonably-sized space full of enthusiastic fans, performing a full set. Same goes for Sheryl Crow, who would've been much more fun to see in the theatre downtown, for half the price. I don't think Lilith did a thing for most of the artists, and it wasn't doing much for their fans, either. But it did give a whole bunch of women, gay straight and bi, a chance to get together and... well... I still don't honestly know what they were doing. - --mark http://musicmark.webjump.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:46:16 -0500 From: sparc5@enteract.com (Jeff Reisberg) Subject: I met Liz last night.. If any of you caught my post about a month ago. Liz's dad said he would get me tickets to Lilith Fair under the conditions that I wrote my college essays first. So any way, he went off the Florida, before he could get me the tickets, so I ended up taking a limo from Chicago to Indianapolis with her husband and kids. I got to ask all these nagging questions about Liz that I have forever wanted to know. I met the whole band, and it was verbally agreed that I could be a rodie in a future Liz Phair show. I framed a picture of her parents, her dad with a microphone in his hand, I thought long and hard about what to say about this picture, and I came up with, "When youre not around I caught your dad covering Fuck and Run." The found this very funny and gave me a hug. I became real buddy buddy with one of the keyboard players from Deborah Cox. The Ditsy Chicks all walked right in front of me, the one with the short hair and plays the ¿violin? said hello. Smiled at Sheryl Crow, as she smoked a cigarette and drank red wine, she smiled back. Then I sat way in the very front in the VIP area for the remainder of the show, Sheryl Crow's show kicked some serious ass, Sarah's show was ok, but I don't really dig her. I went back stage again, and stood next to a guy controlling the lighting of the stage as all the musicians came out and sang a final song, and all the drummers from the bands grabbed drum sticks and played, and 6 or so keyboardist played at once, and it still sounded good. I fell asleep on the limo ride back, watching her little kid twirl a little glow string thingy round in circles. Liz woke me up to say I was home... That for sure was the coolest experience I have had in years. {Going back to lurking status} - -=Jeff=- Jeffrey A. Reisberg Northwestern University Medical School Tarry 3-735 303 E Chicago, Chicago IL 60611 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:17:40 PDT From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: Re: I met Liz last night.. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:46:16 -0500, Jeff Reisberg wrote: "...I fell asleep on the limo ride back, watching her little kid twirl a little glow string thingy round in circles. Liz woke me up to say I was home...That for sure was the coolest experience I have had in years." Whoa, whoa, whoa...Lemme get this straight...You were riding IN A LIMO with LIZ PHAIR and her immediate family from Indianapolis to Chicago??? ...And before you said "...I got to ask all these nagging questions about Liz that I have forever wanted to know..." And you fell asleep on the way back...and that's all you have to tell us? Quoting George from Seinfeld: You ask me to have lunch, tell me you slept with Elaine, and then say you're not in the mood for details. Now you listen to me. I want details and I want them right now. I don't have a job, I have no place to go. You're not in the mood? Well you get in the mood! TMK NP: Luna, _Penthouse_ Peut-être à la fin du siècle vous m'aimerez ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:11:37 -0500 From: "Kristin Arnold" Subject: 27-D Ok everyone, while Liz might be obsessed with 27 and 27 D is mentioned in a song - there is no way that this is her bra size. While she is a tiny little thing, there is no such thing as a size 27 D. Speaking from the perspective of a DD and comparing myself to Liz I am even more convinced this is entirely out of the question, not to mention that bra sizes run in even numbers and typically begin at 28 (30, 32, 34, 36 etc.) Sorry to rant, I just wanted to speak my peace. Maybe I am just pointing out the obvious... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:52 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: GIRLYSOUNDS FOR SALE--- ONLY $31.00 !!! WHAT A DEAL! |>Jaime: |>>LIZ IS BEING RAPED BY THESE AUCTIONS! |>I don't see how she is. Sure, she is making zero dollars on these |>auctions but when these tapes are freely distributed like on this |>list, how much money does she make? The same: zero dollars. So I |>don't see what the difference is for her. Now when you say it's an |>outrage to see fans getting ripped off, then I agree. Oh and btw |>if we are such caring fans, why don't we send her a little amount |>of money when we share tapes? You know, royalties. That would be |>nice. Just an idea. :) OKAY MOE: Nice idea sending royalties, but the simple fact is, it isnt right. Sorry. Why should I make 50 tapes of Liz Phair on regular blanks and then go to e-bay and sell them for $30 a piece? I dont agree with it. For example, Phairities, a mix tape Jason made... Now a mass amount of this tape have been reproduced and reproduced again... All for free. Why should some money hungry pig take that tape and charge $30 for it??? Everyone else got it free... and some poor Liz fan who doesnt know any better pays this absurd amount... Shouldnt jason receive some royalties for that??? FUCK CAPITALISM! No one should have to pay more than blanks and postage... I have to say I am so proud of the integrities that Jason and ken have, for making these tapes and cd's and distributing them for nothing. I wish we could all be so kind. Besides, I have found, most of these fans bidding at e-bay think they are getting a real tape, not a recorded blank that has been passed down... |>Speaking of drugs...JAIME.... SMOKE A JOINT AND MELLOW OUT! Yes I hate them |>too, but damn dude(ette), lets see you attack the problem of legalized |>marijuana (a topic close to your heart), starving children or defective |>condoms with such vigor and voracity! Sheesh! You go girl! My Dark Side Dweller: How did you know about the current dry spell??? Ah, waiting patiently for harvest... Had some nice Durban the other day though... I used CAPS beca use I wanted to catch some attention. I did, so it was a good idea I suppose. defective condoms??? HA! |>Cost of one show: $8.50 (includes shipping) |>Cost of both shows: $15.00 (includes shipping) |>What a deal - hope someone out there is interested! I'm glad everything I have posted in the past week has fallen on deaf ears... Why doesnt your friend make some real fucking money and sell them on e-bay? |>hawking copies of GirlySounds to pay for my truck insurance (hey, I work |>p/t for min wage, I thought it sounded like a good idea!). Maybe we could do |>it as a list - with profit sharing or something.(hope you detect sarcasm |>here, or I'm in big trouble!) I just had a spectacular idea... sell girlysounds, etc... on ebay and send the proceeds to Liz. She'd get her royalties, some crazed fan would get a nice copy of girlysounds... Nice project for a serious Support System member... Contradicts everything I have done and said for the past few days, but hell, if the $ went to Liz, I could chill the fuck out. The bitch who hates Kurt said: |>I personally think they are sorry |>idiots. I party enough to make it count....but I don't dabble in hard drugs |>and I will NEVER EVER respect anyone who does I LOVE KURT -- and I think you need to look under your nose and see who you are...'sorry idiot' ? Yeah, sounds about right! And I also love certain drugs, which by the way, can do more good than harm if used in a responsible manner--- but fuck responsible--- I'm young and I dont need to second-guess my choices. If you dont use any drugs-- great, more for me... and its your choice, dont condemn anyone for using drugs... We all make our own choices. I was always under the assumption Kurt had serious stomach pains... He had said certain drugs eased his pain. Thats his choice, dont condemn him... You dont live his life, you live yours. |>I guess I'm confused, as just recently you were downright hostile toward |>those who preferred not to discuss blair witch on the list, which struck me |>as antagonistic as opposed to peaceful...oh well, mood swings happen. Sorry, hope I havent rained on anyone's sunny day. Generally I am a peaceful person, but there is a blood thirsty bitch inside me. She surfaces when people tick me off. My quick temper has been triggered lately. By this Kurt-hating bitch, these e-bay whores and I just switched shifts... 11-7 is soooo fun... isn it? But thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will refrain from posting for awhile, I'll chill out and let things mellow--- GIVE THAT COBAIN-HATER HELL!!! Roll a fat one for me, DSOTM!!!!!!!!!! Sorry SSD'ers... I'll re-surface soon... Any quips, questions... or harassment's can be sent to my private email addy. Thanks. ~jaime* ~~~~ "You better look, look to your left, passengers, You better look, look to your right. 'Cause I'm gonna take this plane out in less than five minutes And this, this is your very last sight." --Liz Phair ~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:59:54 -0500 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: lilith fair in indy last year I went to lilith fair in st. louis. yesterday I went to the one in indianapolis. for some reason, I had a better time at this year's. was it the line-up? or maybe it was who I went with? whatever it was, I had a blast. first up, I watched susan tedeschi, who is absolutely amazing. I picked up her album about a month ago, and she is even better live. and to top it off, sarah and natalie (dixie chicks) got up and sang with her on the last song, so poopoo on all those pavilion people, because I was only about 50 feet from the stage. yeah, I'm gonna bitch, because since I watched susan, by the time I got back to the lawn for liz, the only seat was against the fence, as far from the stage as you can get. and no one back there even knew who liz was. but I want to ask if the two girls who were dancing down towards the middle are on this list? liz singled them out after the show, because they kicked ass. they were standing and dancing the whole time. and I know someone on this list is going to disagree, but the dixie chicks are damn good. they have a nice mix of the new and old. and what is up with sheryl crow's new look? she was punked out with crazy hair and make-up. oh, well. thank you sarah mclachlan for lilith fair. but I really need to see liz in a small venue, because it sucks when people are falling asleep next to you when your favorite artist is singing. oh, the poor souls don't know what they're missing. jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:54:21 PDT From: "Mark Schmidt" Subject: More about Lilith, and the used CD issue... My lovely wife, still seething with disgust at the cult of Sar-uh, wanted to be sure I mentioned this in my discussion of our Lilith trip... Everyone was pretty much talking amongst themselves and ignoring Sheryl Crow during the mellow acoustic beginnings of "Strong Enough." That is, until she said "Ladies and gentlemen, Sarah McLachlan!" At which point everyone jumped to their feet (except us), screamed their lungs out, overloaded the recording level, and proceeded to go crazy for every syllable out of Sarah's mouth. She proceeded to change the key of the song slightly, forcing Sheryl to sing around her, and pretty much ruined it for us. Then she left, leaving us to enjoy the rest of the now-tainted set. That's my wife's most vivid Lilith memory, other than the used feminine hygiene products piled in the bathrooms... ============= One more addition to the used CD debate, if no one has said it yet: I think the used CD business helps sell new CDs to a degree. I know I'm not the only one who worries less about buying something new and unknown because I feel there's a good chance of getting some of my money back if it sucks. - ---Mark http://musicmark.webjump.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:14:07 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kern" Subject: rant over and out Kristin Arnold advertised: >>I live in Chicago and saw Liz's CK ad on the side of the bus - I was quite thrilled! A side-of-a-bus-sized Liz Phair picture?!?! Ooooooooo I want one! Where's the Chicago Transit Bus Depot again? Persy Grrrl admitted: >>Personally, I don't have anything against taping whole albums. A friend and I do tape trades like that all the time<< You know I've read with interest everyone's opinion on the status of taping, used vs. new and how it screws an artist. Many of my older music is on tape and was gotten in large part from copying friends records and such. (this was really before the advent of CDs). Now when a tape wears out I go buy a copy of it on CD, but it's gonna be used if I can at all find it that way. I will support an artist as much as I can, if not through buying a new CD, then by turning on friends to them or spending obscene amounts of cash to go see them in concert. And let's not forget concert T-shirts and misc. junk. When the choice is up to me to go buy it new at a chain record store for $18 or pick it up used at indie store for $8, call me a cheap bastard but I'm gonna save that $10. Like I said I did buy WCSE new, to support Liz and mainly cuz I couldn't wait for a used copy. Now for all of you who say that it is ripping an artist off not to buy new lets ask the following question (and this is not a slam, I'm just curious) - how many movies have you taped off of cable TV for free instead of going out and buying them? Jase pondered: >>It's unfortunate, but I've encountered or known quite a few people who do drugs or have done them in the past, and it's not always necessarily because they have self-esteem problems. For some people, it's a mean of escape because it hurts them too much to *feel* all the time. They need something to numb themselves, or else all they ever feel is pain. << Um..are we missing a sometimes obvious alternative to the "I take drugs to numb the pain" excuse? How about some drugs feel GOOD! In the words of Liz "it feels good, like relieving a headache". Anyone who has had teeth pulled will likely smile when reminded of those painkillers they got afterwards. And of course try keeping a smile off your face when tripping! >>I'm not saying it's right, but for a lot of people suffering from serious forms of depression, sometimes they think it's the only answer. << Well you don't HAVE to be depressed, abnormal or anything else to use drugs. Many average people function quite well and cut loose and party on the weekends. I hope you are not saying that all drug users, especially recreational ones like marijuana are specifically geared towards malcontents and misfits. After all, alcohol is 1000 times worse than pot and is constantly crammed down our throats by the media. And its legal. Go figure. Nicole sez: >>I think that the music biz has been suffering since at least '94 (is that any surprise? That's the year of Cobain's death.)<< I couldn't agree more Nicole. Coincidence? Maybe....Maybe not. Sandra asked: >>Hey, I'm thinking of doing that þ anyone have any suggestions for what kind of guitar I should start out with? How much should I expect to pay?<< Well first off don't go to some music superstore and buy it. Go to your local indie music dealer. I would say that yes, a cheap stratocaster copy and small amp should do nice. Let's see, I paid about $300 for a fairly decent strat copy and a very nice Prime amplifier w/ built in tuner (which will come in handy even if you do have an 'ear' for tuning musically), cords, strings, picks and all that crap. And I made them throw in a free T-shirt too. Be careful buying anything used. If you have a friend who plays it would be even better to take them along , cuz like someone said its worse than buying a used car. Acoustic or electric? One of each is ideal but I get by with an electric for now since it is easier to make an electric sound like an acoustic than vice versa. Jase again: >>but the video for Weezer's "Buddy Holly" would be a good example. Weezer had already picked up a few listeners with their previous single, "Undone - - The Sweater Song," but it was "Buddy Holly" that really broke the band. A lot of that had to do with the video; it was one of those times when there was more talk about the video than the song itself, but it helped the band to really stand out and their album started selling like hotcakes as a result.<< Plus the fact that the video was included on every Windows 95 cd/system, showcasing the wonderful multimedia properties of Windoze....... Has anyone else seen the Liz Phair clocks on sale at E-bay? Well now they have Liz Phair light switch covers too! Some other Liz products I'd like to see: Liz Phair bedsheets - "Hey I sleep with Liz every night" Tickle-me Liz Phair doll - Rub her tummy and she says "I want to be your blow-job queen" Liz Phair instructional guitar videos - Now we can find out how she REALLY plays that song. Liz Phair/Fender reissue Jaguar/MusicMaster/Mustang guitar. Liz Phair Saturday morning cartoon show - Anyone else remember MC Hammer's "Hammerman" cartoons years ago? And I still think she ought to do a live album. I like listening to the live shows that everyone has taped, but lets face it - wouldn't it be nice to have a studio quality live stereo version of a kick ass concert? P.S. - Hi Val!!! :) Will get back to you soon. "It don't hurt like it did, it hurts worse who do I kid?" Sheryl Crow DarkSide oftheMoon hilofer@hotmail.com DarkSide oftheMoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:32:18 EDT From: DiskoBoy23@aol.com Subject: Re: IS LIZ DOING MODELING? A friend of mine told me he saw liz on a bus advertisement for Calvin klein! Is thi strue? ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #242 ************************************