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support-system-digest      Sunday, August 1 1999      Volume 02 : Number 223



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Tools...Weapons..Hey get what you can grab....  ["M.L. Magdalene" <m_l_mag]
  Liz Tape                         ["John Mitchell" <makeitstop@hotmail.com>]
  other stuff and some things                     [MrE <mre3k@earthlink.net>]
  morphine, luna, lizlust         ["Brian P. Falk" <BFalk@hannasd.k12.pa.us>]
  Am I a Lone Voice in the Wilderness????????  ["Michael Carapella" <bj651@n]
  some pot of gold...                      ["Nicole W." <nweisber@umich.edu>]
  liz climbing                   ["DarkSide oftheMoon" <hilofer@hotmail.com>]
  Re: P.J. / L.P.                                         [NegSplitz@aol.com]
  vh1 comments,boston bands, pj, random hook ups, and more  [Danaldj@aol.com]

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:14:59 PDT
From: "M.L. Magdalene" <m_l_magdalene@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tools...Weapons..Hey get what you can grab....

>"every tool is a weapon if you hold it right" MY IQ ani d.

Being the obsessed fan that i am i just wanted to draw even more attention 
to this line cause...ahhh..it's just so friggin cool....

And it makes me very sad to say...that that's it....

M

"There is much beauty to be found in darkness.  Although you may need to 
sacrafice your exquisite spirit to find it..."
((anonymous))


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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:34:14 PDT
From: "John Mitchell" <makeitstop@hotmail.com>
Subject: Liz Tape

I was just wondering if anyone would be a really nice person and make me a 
tape of the following songs, which I seem unable to get:

1:Six Dick Pimp
2:One Banana, Two Banana
3:Carnivore (both versions)
4:Erecting a movie star

I really appreciate it,

John

makeitstop@hotmail.com


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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:00:31 -0700
From: MrE <mre3k@earthlink.net>
Subject: other stuff and some things

ya no...i don't spend much time quoting an entire post, but i hit a wrongy and came up with this weirdness:

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>Fhowrpg: jnf yvm qrfver?

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>arjrfg cw uneirl. v npghnyyl unir tbg nyy bs ure
>nyohzf ohg cebonoyl vf guvf qrfver? gbcf gur
>yvfg evtug abj. jul vf vg. qb lbh yvxr gur ebpxlarff
>gung fur urefrys fnvq jnf snxr naq haangheny.
>fur fnvq fur ernyyl ungrq gur ebpx guvat fb fur
>qvgpurq gur onaq (abg guvf unefu) naq jrag fbyb
>juvpu ab1 jbhyq xabj hayrff gurl xarj CW UNEIRL
>vap. ebo ryyvf, rgp.fb fur znqr GOLZYbir naq fur
>qrfpevorq vg nf n fbeg bs na njxjneq qrcnegher
>sebz gur zhfvp fur terj gb qrfcvfr. (fur rira ershfrq
>gb cynl fuvryn an tvt <naq bguref> ol gur raq
>bs gur QEL gbhevat). Fb v whfg qba'g trg jul crbcyr
>jvyy abg rzoenpr gur arj nyohz. bu jryy, rirelbar unf
>gurve bja gnfgr v thrff. 4 genpx qrzbf jvyy cebonoyl
>or obbrq ol nalbar gung vf abg n gehr cw
>sna (nf fgngrq O4) ohg vg ernyyl fubjf ure va ure
>enjrfg ryrzrag. v fgbc abj.
>anguna

uh..,nathan...i think i this is your post...because i was just preparing to comment on some now unknown aspect of your p j
theorum...anyway...i think i agree with it...especially the part about "rfpevorq vg nf n fbeg bs na njxjneq
qrcnegher"...anyway dry is beyond awesome as are rid of me, 4 track demos, the john parrish gig, to bring you my love and is
this desire...and should you venture into a stripped down concert hall for her no frills stripped down show that packs more
intensity, personality, artistry and a performer truly inspiring who is one with her art instead of holding a musical
job...you just might become a convert..she is raw...she is approachable, she is queen...

hey...i hear liz might make the left coast...The Geriatric Phair of 2049...

Momus
- --
"Where'd you get these ideas?"
Charlie Manson responding to Geraldo

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:12:25 -0400
From: "Brian P. Falk" <BFalk@hannasd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: morphine, luna, lizlust

first, OMYGOD MARK SANDMAN HAD A HEART ATTACK AND DIED ONSTAGE!!??  what the
fuck?!  i love morphine!  jesus what a thing to wake up to.  that's awful.
the guy couldn't have been that old.  i saw them in philly about 5 years ago
and loved it.  why him and not john popper (i don't want him to die, but you
know what i mean)?  

second, it is really easy to order the new luna import on cdnow.  it was a
back order but it only took'em 2 weeks to get it to me.  so there you go.
i'm there at 9:30 tonight, too.  been waiting for years for this show.
screwed up and missed'em when penthouse came out, but not this time.
warning:  the volatile combo of their "sweet child o' mine" cover and
two-factor theory (psych majors?) may have you up all night writing love
poems.

and jaime, katie, i want to know who on this list WOULDN'T make love to
liz...  

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 08:32:49 -0700
From: "Michael Carapella" <bj651@netzero.net>
Subject: Am I a Lone Voice in the Wilderness????????

About a week or so ago (SS #215) I posted the notion that one of the things
that has changed Liz's style of music somewhat was that she's happier now. 
I went on to bemoan the fact that most great rock lyrics are born of anger,
depression, apathy, etc. and made the following list of songs not born of
those emotions: 

>>I would actually be interested in hearing anyone's top five list of songs
with a positive message.  Mine will reveal a very dated collection, but
here's what comes to mind:

1. Feeling Stronger Every Day - Chicago
(I'm already struggling)
2. Big Tall Man - LP
3. God Only Knows, Wouldn't It Be Nice - The Beach Boys
4. Hey, Jealousy - The Gin Blossoms (well it might not be all that
positive, but is sure feels good).
and, (c'mon think, think, think, think there must be a Beatles song
here...)
5.  Here Comes the Sun - The Beatles (shew)

I don't know that any of these songs would qualify as a "great" lyric, but
there you have it.<<

And NO ONE said ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!  I WILL NOT BE IGNORED!!!!!

(No, not really.  That's just a line I always use when speaking which is
from Fatal Attraction)

Anyway, I thought at least Jase would take a crack at it.  He talks to
everybody!

But seriously, any comments on my post would be appreciated as I'm trying
to gain some perspective on the issue.

Thanks!

- -Michael
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:27:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nicole W." <nweisber@umich.edu>
Subject: some pot of gold...

Baaa!  I couldn't check my email all day yesterday and I was giong crazy!
The server was down or something at LSE (London School of Economics).  but
now it's back, so all is fine, yeah.

Yesterday, in a news paper here, there was this big one page color spread
about, like, the Alice Springs Yacht Club in Australia.  It was just funny
to see a big headline that said something like "Alice Springs Makes a
Comeback" and it wasn't about Liz's song.  It's weird to see those words
in a different context, I mean.  

Question:  Does anyone on th is list go by a name that different from
their first, full name?  Example: Liz Phair is really Elizabeth Phair.
Why I'm asking is like so when you write your initials, just the first and
last, do you write "LP" or "EP?"  Because on this  list, when people refer
to Liz, they write "LP"  but is that like... correct?  I don't know cuz i
go by Nicole which is ... short for Nicole.  

Yeah.

Okay so in a fit of drunkenness last night, I called the Bastard, and boy
was that a mistake!  He hasn't emailed me the whole time I have been here,
and I called him yesterday after like a three or two week silence, and
said "Why haven't you emailed me?"  And he said "Cuz i don't want to."
And I said "Why don't you want to?"  And he said "Cuz I don't think it's a
good idea."  And I said "Why isn't it a good idea?"  And he said "Cuz
you're obsessing over me."  BULLSHIT!  I mean, okay, I fucking LIKED the
guy, he won't communicate with me, of course I'm going to be thinking
about him... What a prick.  So any further communication with him will be
nil... i can officially start hating him bec asue he's very obviously a
wanker and a tit and a bastard and every kind of insulting word you can
think of.  UGH!!

Okay I know this isn't Liz content, but really it is,b ecause after
talking to him, all that was going through my head was Blood Keeper...
"I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane... isn't that waht you want me to
say?  Don't you need to feel my blood on the tracks today?"  So fucking
true.

Katie Lynne... wow I didn't think of the song "flower" in reference to
this younger guy I have a crush on here, but since you mentioned it in
reference tot he 14 y.o. brit that was crushing on you, it reminded me!
how perfect.  How nice that my life can be summed up by Liz Phair songs,
eh?  Anyway I tried seducing the 18 year old last night, and it almost
worked, but I had to pee and when I came back, he seemed to have a change
of heart... or dick I guess... anyway, so nothing happened.  Sigh .
Perhaps tonight I shall try singing "Flower" to him.  

Thanks, Valerie, for reminding me that I'm not the only one [with mixed
emotions...] oh sorry, broke into song... what i mean is ... i'm not the
only one who gets hurt.  Now that I sang that Mixed emotions song, I can't
remember who the hell sings it?  I'd search teh web but it just fucked up
on me.  I guess I'll reboot, but everyone will think I@m leaving my
computer, hell no, and try to jump on me.  HELP!  I cant' even ... what
would be the sonic word for "visualize"?  Well I can't even aurally
visualize the voice for Mixed Emotions... well I sort of can, adn it's
like... Tom Petty or something, but I don't think that's who sings it, I
think that's just what I'm getting in my head.  OH I KNOW!  It's the
Rolling Stones, isn't it...  That's right, I think... an 80s or early 90s
RS song...  ick they should have stopped writing music after the 70s.  oh
well.

This post is long.  I feel bad.  But I would have posted yesterday, could
I have done so.  So this is like two days worth of posting.  and not much
liz content.  hmm....okay i guess i'll go,b ut i might come back and post.

hahahahahahahaha!  

wish me  luck, all of you, on seducing mr. flower....  haha it's probably
better if i don't... i guess... but i have...oh nevermind.

Later,
Nicole

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:58:59 PDT
From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" <hilofer@hotmail.com>
Subject: liz climbing

Can you believe it...Liz is number 9 on the poll and climbing!
Keep voting....http://www.freevote.com/booth/rollergirl

DarkSide oftheMoon


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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:42:01 EDT
From: NegSplitz@aol.com
Subject: Re: P.J. / L.P.

To many of you..Even though there seems to be little likeness music-wise at 
times, these two women have been essential in so many modern rock 
ways..Seeing them as many times as possible, I ask myself, what is it that 
they really have in common?
Obviously there is more than just the lyrics/music/rock stuff..They are 
powerful, in charge women who can put their personal poetry down ...They are 
independent thinking, which is good, but they also admit weaknesses..and true 
to the form, sexual strength. I didn't realize, not being a regular here, 
that many of you feel the same way. How about a tour together? And don't 
forget the West Coast!

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:40:16 EDT
From: Danaldj@aol.com
Subject: vh1 comments,boston bands, pj, random hook ups, and more

Here's my commentary, read if you like....

<<nicole, nicole, nicole...i feel your pain, i was there too at 19...and
<<again, from about 22 to the present. figure out what you can and cannot
<<handle, and don't settle for anyone who treats you like shit. hard to do,
<<but worth it. good luck darlin'!!!

I couldn't say it much better. I think it will be a process of figuring 
things out until and probably thru marriage and death.
All I can say is hooking up MIGHT temporarily make you feel better, but don't 
take it too far and do something you'll regret later on just to make some 
asshole mad who is many miles away and probably (no offense) won't even care.

Hey to quote Jerry Springer (oh how white trash).."Take care of yourself" 
First and foremost!

Re : VH1 countdown- It is sooo bullshit.
I love how they say " here's how we calculated" and then are soo vague.."we 
asked some famous women".......WHATEVER!!!
Well, I guess I am just bitter cos so many more lame artists were higher up 
than Liz...(94???, come on!!!!)
And it was supposed to be of Rock n'Roll and i know the roots of Rn'R lie in 
blues, jazz, country whatever, but really Dolly Parton, Etta James were not 
rock n' rollers.
I was glad that PJ Harvey ranked kinda high/well.
But liz , kim deal, ani, shoulda been higher.... or lower..y'know what i mean.
also where was sleater -kinney in all of this?
was lauryn hill ranked? (not really a fan , just curious)
what about garbage? 
Saw most of this but not all. It kinda annoyed me but at the same time 
consumed a large part of my day.

>did Siouxie Sioux (from the Banshees) get anything on that rock show? 
>    she shoulda too. Her band the CREATUREs really rocks.

When I watched it I was waiting for them to mention the Creatures, but they 
did not.
Also to answer the other question she was on after liz.

B-Day Katie, thank you soo much for the ben review, now i will try harder, I 
keep missing him and have tried soo many times, but something always happens.

<<steve
I'm your one wish you'll never get
 And you say that you get three
 But you're never, never gonna get me'
        -cadallaca 

I like this album and can't wait to hear the new Sara Dougher (crabs, 
cadallaca)

In response to everyone's Kristen Hersh posts, I don't own it but we have it 
at the radio station and IT IS AWESOME!!
I really like "a cleaner light"
any others i should look out for? i haven't listened to that much of it but i 
think what i have heard is awesome.

Sorry, Nathan, I agree with the other pj harvey phans, "Is this Desire" was 
very disappointing.
Her first three, in my mind, were her best.

Tiff- they (Luna) played "superfreaky". People were screaming for it.
They are soo cool, if people screamed for something, they always palyed it.
One guy kept screaming for one song and he sounded a bit loaded, after a 
while he was like shouting angrily "super fucking freaky".. y;know he was 
getting rowdy and the band didn't get upset they just laughed and finally 
played the song. it was cool.

<<ALanis was still a teeny bopper blowing her boyfriend in a theater, before 
he dumped her on her ass.>>

Now that was just FUNNY!!!!  and maybe a bit brilliant, too.

<>

I don't know why, but the majority of my fave artists/bands have been from 
Boston, too.
In fact when I started a show this yr, my adviosr was the one who brought it 
to my attn.
Juliana, lemonheads, pixies, breeders, belly, throwing muses, kristen hersh, 
jentryinin, etc.

Well , I am done putting in my more than two cents.
enjoy the rest of the weekend.

oh and 
<<NP:  the sound of rain beating on the roof 
<<and thunder clapping in the background.

Very funny! here in NJ we have not had rain in a LOOONG Time and our grass is 
like straw now, there is a watering ban, it is a drought.
Thanks for rubbing it in!
You're in England right? I bet they never have droughts there... or in 
seattle.
 Actually, aside from everything looking dead and ugly and it being humid, I 
don';t really care tooo much.
I HATE RAIN.

dp in nj

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