From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #193 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, July 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- random blatherings ["MrE" ] a recent revelation [Exile217@aol.com] some shit... [Tiffany M Wilson ] advice for the broken hearted [Slopo@aol.com] I'll drink a toast of bitterness to you ["Stephanie Morris" ] NEW Liz Phair CD [Taz Reisberg ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #192 [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] first half [Craig King ] happy 4th of July! ["Jaime" ] Re: first half [Jason Long ] Re: first half [Miz Phair ] nicole's broken heart, eating, paging Dr. Phair! [Danaldj@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #192 [JLD4125269@aol.com] wcse poster question [Miz Phair ] Re: wcse poster question ["keely" ] Slamming [michael webster ] Slamming [michael webster ] Re: Slamming ["keely" ] Interview in Juice Magazine ["Ginz" ] random thoughts [Valerie Barry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:02:45 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: random blatherings >So perhaps now you might think about >eating the following words- Your words: ...in defense of my very good friend and confidant, Ms Jaime, i really really really really would like to caution you to take at least a cursory look at the way you chose to communicate! you are the only person i have read after during my lengthy stay here that is consistently rude while at the same time blaming others for the same. word of the day: PROJECTING. i am certain you have viable and interesting ideas and theories to convey to the rest of us, but damn, can you not perhaps word them with at least a degree less hostility? and as promised, we regard to anything concerning myself that you may have mentioned, >to the Dark Side >MrE sez: >personal attacks can and should be forwarded to MrE@mr-e.net >MrE sounds like you've been down this road before.. >do you get so much hate mail that you have your own >domain/site just to handle it all?!? Give 'em hell Momus! ...i have only received one and one only (subject to change) piece of hate mail, one very angry but thankfully resolved piece, a sprinkling of 'just who in the hell are you' types and many many pieces that continue to be warm and fun and supportive from those institutionalized world wide...cereally though, there are a number of exceptionally great people on this list and elsewhere that i am privileged to know and correspond with... the following is a public service announcement of the MrE Network / Manson Family Productions: (really) did anyone else read the 'ticket masters' article in the current spin? ticketbastards are one thing, mp34591's are another (if that be your gripe), bootleggers are small potatoes as are internet music retailers and ebay merchants when held up in the light of: "SFX Entertainment". this is just one in through the out door intrusion too many. is there not some differentiation between the opportunistic and the evil... schek it out...current spin...page 54 >which one? 'cause i ain't no lady.... >and i *hate* sushi...and i'm glad you got >that i was kidding.... and i don't wanna spank you... ...)1( the other one )2( maybe )3( we should love and tolerate all GOD'S creatures )4( did i? )5( damn... does any one else 'miss' the old MST3K (with Joel) or the old 'Ren and Stempy' (before they relieved the creator of his creating)? does any one else wonder why their synapses fire in such obscure patterns? just checking... full moon...fullashit MrE ~~ "The sushi looks marvelous," I tell her soothingly. ...Patrick Bateman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:52:19 EDT From: Exile217@aol.com Subject: a recent revelation this is not particularly liz related, but still is something that struck me as significant. i was flipping channels (first time i've had cable in over a year) and came across the natalie imbruglia video "torn." this song was not one that i'd paid particular attention to up until now. just thought it was a pleasant, pop-py, girl song. her expressions in the video totally grabbed me and made me more aware of the lyrics. ***I'm all out of faith, This is how I feel. . . You're a little late, I'm already torn** this just totally struck me and the only thing i could compare it too is how some liz lyrics can make you (me) feel. does anyone else out there listen to her or have an opinion on other natalie imbruglia songs? liz b. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: some shit... Hey all, there were a few things I had to respond to, so here goes. Suzanne was talking about her disappointment with wcse after hearing the 1997 running order. I posted the same thing after listening. The released version was too polished for my taste, and thought I really love Go On Ahead and Shitloads of Money, the less polished version impressed me so much more. [I had the same problem with Ben Lee's Breathing Tornados--I had heard a lot of the songs on a boot with just him and his guitar. Then the album came out with all these "electronic" effects and shit. But the thing that really bothered me was that there was no soul on the album. Ben's voice cracked during the solo versions of these songs out of sheer feeling and emotion, but he lost all that on the record. Sorry, back to Liz]. Plus, the songs on wcse aren't really the Liz style that I love. They seem written for a band, instead of Liz wierd chords and tunings and rhythms. On a different note. Does anyone else here absolutely love "You Have No Idea?" I think this song is brilliant. Why on earth did she only play it at one show and never record it? Too personal, maybe? Finally, I listen to some music from the late sixties-VELVET UNDERGROUND!!!!!!! STOOGES!!!!!!!! MC5!!!!!!!!!!!-but most of what I listen to starts in the mid to late 70's. I love old school punk (Television, Patti Smith, Dead Boys, X-Ray Spex, X, etc). How did I get into all this? Well, I would read interviews with musicians that I liked, and check out their influences. Or I would watch documentaries (DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION, ROCK AND ROLL-AN UNRULY HISTORY) or read books about the history of punk and "alternative" and check out the bands in there. - -Tiff PS-IF YOU SENT ME TAPES, THEY WILL BE OUT BY WEDNESDAY... "And I may be young, but I still know the things you put down can rise from below. And I can hardly believe you would lay this at my door, 'cause I have heard that song before." -Liz Phair "All you ever wanted was someone to take care of you. All you're ever losing is a little mascara..." -Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) "This is why events unnerve me, they find it all a different story. Notice whom for wheels are turning, turn again and turn towards this time... Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown. Heaven knows, it's got to be this time..." -Ian Curtis (Joy Division) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:14:13 EDT From: Slopo@aol.com Subject: advice for the broken hearted dearest list and poor Nicole, When my heart was ripped out and rolled over with a steam roller, repeatedly, I did the one thing i could have done: listend to some music. my advice is to play the following songs as many times as possible, until the cd player starts smoking. Really theraputic.... Warning: I think a little piece of our hearts always continues to beat pitter-patter just a little differently for someone with whom we were once completely in love... 1) Buddy Holly : "It doesn't matter" 2) Lush: "Ciao!" 3) Pixies: "Bone Machine" 4) Liz: "Divorce Song" If these songs don't help, throw in the towel. always, Pixie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:46:34 -0700 From: "Stephanie Morris" Subject: I'll drink a toast of bitterness to you Paraphrasing Lush on a Liz Phair digest... oh well. I want to respond to what CHL said in #192: " I guess the point I most wanted to get across in my last post is that the broad characterizations of men that seem waaay too prevalent (at least for my tastes) are an easy excuse not to try to see things from our (male) perspective. Sandra - the truth is that I could completely echo pretty much everything you wrote above. I'm 24, I live in a suburb far from friends and family, and I seem to be rapidly becoming a poster-child for alienation in the '90s. It's safe to say that I'm not surrounded by other Liz fans. I'd love nothing more than to meet a brilliant, wonderful woman with whom I could share enough kismit to find some mutual degree of understanding and love. If she were a phan, that's worth double points.. In the mean time, though, I'm part of a large and quiet group of guys who are just as frustrated, just as lonely and just as silently hopeful as so many women seem to be. Our imperfections are just as complex and bizarre, and our basic decency is just as intact. Sometimes both genders need a reminder of this... I just want to urge all of you smart and interesting women out there *NOT* to become bitter, but instead to try to remember that there *ARE* good guys out here, too!! OK - that's suitably corny to finish off the post. CHL" Will the men who are "just as lonely.... silently hopeful..." come out from hiding? I guess I am just bitter, I got stood up tonight! Go ahead, laugh. I am usually reserved and shy, I decided to come out of my shell and talk to this guy at a show a few weeks back. We hung out last Friday, agreeing to see each other tonight. I phoned him last night to see if we were still on, then again this afternoon. I've heard NOTHING from him. I guess I am just mad because I finally took a bold step, and it backfired. At the same time I don't feel so bad because he seemed rather superficial and I really want someone who will challenge me and who I can challenge. Someone who I can get into good discussions with. I just feel so incredibly unsatisfied. The one guy who does challenge me and who I get into some great conversations with doesn't want to date me. To be honest, I don't want to date him mostly b/c I have known him for a long time and feel like I will be limiting myself and not meeting anyone new. Oh well. No Liz content, just ranting. NP: The sound of merlot swishing around in a glass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 99 09:49:55 -0700 From: "Al" Subject: Liz adds more Lilith Dates I don't know if this has been mentioned before but Liz seems to be making her way out here in the west at the Lilith Fair which has announced: The TBA's are starting to fill in. The latest is that Liz Phair has now been added to the shows at George, WA (July 9th and 10th) and Portland, OR (July 11th). Liz joins an already great mainstage lineup of Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow, Mya, Luscious Jackson, and Sandra Bernhard. Why can't she make her way down here to the L.A. show on July 17. Crossing my fingers for that!!!!!!!!! Anyway, anyone out there remember a band called the Go-Betweens from the 80s? Well, the 2 leaders of this band, Robert Forster & Grant Mclennan are tourning together and they are playing at the Trobadour tonight in West Hollywood and I am going. Yesssss!!!! This band went through a similar situation to what Liz is going through now. They were well accepted by the critics but never had a hit. I got this information from a post on a newsgroup: THE GO-BETWEENS Early progenitors of the lo-fi aesthetic and eventual art-rock heroes, London's Go-Betweens never cracked a major chart--which reflects badly on the charts, not the band. (Sound familiar?) You'll find this and other a fine selection of material to sample, savor, and purchase compliments of Beggars Banquet in the Liquid Music Network. www.liquidmusicnetwork.com One should really not leave this earth without sampling a little of the Go-Betweens IMO. Rock on... Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:11:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Taz Reisberg Subject: NEW Liz Phair CD Ok folks this is juicy. I had Liz Phair's dad sitting next to me, for about 3 minutes, he mainly asked me about how my faimly was, but then at the end I asked him how is Liz? He smiled, and said, "She is doing well. She is out west working on her new record" I told him that I am going to go see her in Augest at Lillith in Indiana. He said, well I do expect her home for the 4th (of July). Then we made a deal, he would get me tickets under the contition that I write my college essays now with the help of my boss, Dr. Steve Wolinsky a world famious AIDS researcher. And my lab partner is taking me out to a nice restraunt tomarow. Things couldn't be better all you Phair lovers. On a side note, it's Liz's dad's birthday. He call's her Lizzy..... - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #192 On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, support-system-digest wrote: > >From: TADude9999@aol.com > Subject: Safety Issue- pass it along to friends and family > > Safety Alert > > > > Your cell phone can be hazardous to your health- if used near a gas pump. > > TAD > Sorry for the non Liz content; I just thought this was important enough to > pass along to as many people as possible. > Yeah, and don't forget: don't shuffle your feet on the upholstery in your car or brush your hair or rub a cellulose comb with sheep's wool or smoke when you fuel up, that could be disasterous. Unless of course your car takes diesel, in which case, you can smoke and/or use a flamethrower while you fuel. Just be careful of the gasoline people. Hey, wait a minute: cell phones? What are people driving and talking on cell phones for? What the hell, are they out to kill people or something? Damn. I'm sure more people are killed every year by cell phone addicted drivers than by crazed gunmen at highschools. But wait, reporters and anchormen use cellphones...They're in on it! Gods, this is worse than i feared. We should start a grassroots movement to ban cellphone advertising on television and the internet. We're not the Christian Coalition or anything, but hell, half of Pat Robertson's employees don't even know why the '700 Club' is called the '700 Club'. (Basically it was Pat's greed). Anybody with me? > > Sina wrote: > "P.S how many african americans are into Liz?" > > Uhh...my mom. I'd fall into this category too, but > I'm multi-racial. I hate seeing "B" down as my race > cuz we're all human right? Color shouldn't make a > difference in the world. I've never thought of myself > as black though, always said I was multi-racial and > where does that come in for race? Ahhh...screwy > things. > > raymond lew: Do what I do, just don't fill in the race blank. It's not legally required by any US entity. Of course, then you won't get scholarships because they'll think you're white. But if you go to an engineering school, you may as well be white anyway, because you're not considered a minority unless you're not white, not asian, not male. [ ] Asian, Pacific Islander, Eskimo, or OTHER. What the hell is an Other? - --- "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: morg hart Subject: My opinion I know ya'll don't like it when I post, that's why I try to keep it to a bare minimum. But the current men-can't-understand-Liz topic has really gotten me thinking, and dammit, I'm posting. I'm a guy, and I first got into Liz when I saw the MTV Buzzclip commercial for Supernova. To this day I have never seen the video, but that 5 seconds was all I needed to get me hooked. So, for me, the fact that she is just an awesome musician came first, and then, later, the amazing depth of her lyrics. Her lyrics are easily understandable, and anybody can identify with them. Granted, I have never wanted to be someone's blowjob queen, but I can definitely identify with what's at the core of her lyrics. And is that all Liz has going for her career? Yes, her songwriting is definitely one of her major strengths, but it is far from all there is to her. See? Was that so bad? Morgan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: first half As the first half of 1999 has come to a close, I have a little survey question for everyone. What does everyone think are the best albums of 1999 so far? For me there are only a few albums which I think are any good. They are the following: 1. Tom Petty and The Heartbeakers - "Echo" 2. Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Californication" 3. Slayer - "Diabous in Musica" I know I'll probably get alot of heat for these choices (especially Slayer), but oh well. The albums I'm most looking forward to for the second half of 1999 are albums by the following artists: 1. Stone Temple Pilots 2. Megadeth 3. Alice In Chains boxed set 4. Pantera 5. Dandy Warhols What are everyone else's opinions on the best albums of the first half of 1999? Craig "AdRock" "We all need... a haven. A sanctuary. A place to hide. A place to escape. A place to dream and hope. A place... where the darkness won't be so frightening." - Raven NP: Megadeth - Peace Sells....But Who's Buying? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:10:20 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: happy 4th of July! Well, if you dont see any posts from me until Monday, its because i am camping! If the good weather permits, I will not be spending anytime stuck behind this box in the corner of my living room. I will be drunk for about four days straight I hope. I will be bringing Liz with me (you gotta, right?) and I made a fabulous tape for a friend of mine who is getting into Liz. I'll run my set list when I return, because it came out great. Liz should do a song about the fourth of July-- its my fave holiday. Later all--- have a great holiday weekend-- ~jaime* ~~~ "...poetry is not an expression of emotion, but an escape from emotion..." ~T.S. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:09:14 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: first half At 03:00 PM 7/1/1999 -0700, Craig wrote: >What are everyone else's opinions on the best albums of the first half >of 1999? For me, the best albums of the year so far are: 1. Sleater-Kinney: The Hot Rock 2. XTC: Apple Venus, Volume One 3. Jason Falkner: Can You Still Feel? 4. The Spells: The Age of Backwards (EP) (Carrie Brownstein of Sleater-Kinney and Mary Timony of Helium) 5. Pavement: Terror Twilight (I know that from a recent post of mine, some people may have the impression that I don't like the band -- this isn't the case, though. I was just pointing out the differences between their and Liz's music and who is more accessible and likely to sell) I'm sure there are likely a few others, but I can't think of them right now. For the second half of the year, I am most looking forward to new releases from the following: 1. Elastica (it's said that a new EP will be released in the UK this summer) 2. Aimee Mann (word has it that she's going to be buying her new album back from Interscope to release it herself, so who knows if it'll actually be released by year's end) 3. Quasi 4. Mary Timony (first solo album; the last I heard was that Helium haven't broken up but are on hiatus) 5. Michael Penn 6. The Loud Family 7. Jon Brion (he used to be in the Grays with Jason Falkner and Buddy Judge, and he's produced and/or played on albums by everyone from Elliott Smith to Aimee Mann) It looks like this year may turn out to be quite a good one for music. Cheers, Jase NP: Radiohead, _The Bends_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Miz Phair Subject: Re: first half > At 03:00 PM 7/1/1999 -0700, Craig wrote: > >What are everyone else's opinions on the best > albums of the first half > >of 1999? > My favorite so far this year is Ben Folds Five's The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner. My favorite single's been Lenny Kravitz's remake of American Woman. I'm most looking forward to the upcoming double Tori Amos album. thanks for asking, paige _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:56:10 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: nicole's broken heart, eating, paging Dr. Phair! Hey Nicole W. - I am sorry to hear of your heartbreak. I am so relieved to be done with those heart-wrenching years of teenage angst. But I was thinking of you today cos I can relate to what you're going thru, I think we ALL have been there, male and female alike. And I was listening to this song I thought you would appreciate in your sadness and gloom. It's called "Post-Prom Disorder" , It's by a band called Ida and it was on their album which came out I think in 1994 or 1995, it's also on a compilation that came out this year called "Post Marked Stamps". There's a line in the song "today I would like to rip you apart at the seams" that I thought you'd like. It's kind of a slow, soft song w/pretty femme vocals. And dp- yes!- I saw "Eating" the movie, a few years back, it had gotten rave reviews, and it said that it was funny, but I didn't think it was funny. I thought it was more interesting in a documentary sort of way. My sister watched it w/me but she fell asleep halfway thru, it was a good movie but I really didn't find it funny. Damn, Pixie !! That is sooo cool that your ex is doing rounds w/ol Doc Phair, what I wouldn't give to trade spots or maybe w/the babysitter (Nick's) or the beautician, or the mechanic or the maid or the........ you get my point. Anyway, maybe I'll go to Chicago and "have some injury or disease" that requires the professional opinion of Dr. Phair! Well that's it for me. Off to go sing "Headache" and Violet" again!!! Yippee!! I know oh4sythia is jealous! (Did I get that name right?) Thanks for the IM, I loved chatting. Ciao! dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:01:31 EDT From: JLD4125269@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #192 If there is anyone who still has not received their tapes from me, please e-mail me. Thanks - -Janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Miz Phair Subject: wcse poster question Hi! Does anyone who knows of the whitechocolatespaceegg poster in which liz is all in black, with cool black jeans that zipper up know what the accessory on her arm is referred to? It's bugging me. paige NP: The song in my signature line. === "I swear this one is going to last And all those other bastards were only practice." - --Liz Phair, "What Makes You Happy" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:26:48 -0500 From: "keely" Subject: Re: wcse poster question >Does anyone who knows of the whitechocolatespaceegg >poster in which liz is all in black, with cool black >jeans that zipper up know what the accessory on her >arm is referred to? I got up really close to the poster and it's blurry kind of, but it looks like just a piece of black cloth or something. keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:31:10 PDT From: michael webster Subject: Slamming Hey all, Dp in Nj wrote >Secondly, I would like to express my frustration at a certain phenomenon on >this list: >Slamming! Does anyone recall a couple weeks ago when a certain person "slammed" another list member because he came forward and said the first concert he had ever been to was Milli Vanilli. Kinda hypocritical don't ya think. Later, mike _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:31:10 PDT From: michael webster Subject: Slamming Hey all, Dp in Nj wrote >Secondly, I would like to express my frustration at a certain phenomenon on >this list: >Slamming! Does anyone recall a couple weeks ago when a certain person "slammed" another list member because he came forward and said the first concert he had ever been to was Milli Vanilli. Kinda hypocritical don't ya think. Later, mike _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:38:33 -0500 From: "keely" Subject: Re: Slamming I would like to make a formal announcement. I had Milli Vanilli earrings. And I liked them. AND!! I saw GREEN DAY!! On Thanksgiving when I was 15! And I'm not ashamed. That was refreshing. Keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:47:15 -0400 From: "Ginz" Subject: Interview in Juice Magazine I was reading the article from "Juice", Aprl 1999 posted on Ken's site. Liz said, "I want the next record to be a work of art," she says. "A real thing that people will hold up as a benchmark." I thought that whitechocolatespaceegg was almost there. I believe she can create such an album. An album that changes everything.... like The Joshua Tree or Automatic for the People. On that subject....will Scott Litt help with the next album? Ginz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:05:43 -0400 From: Valerie Barry Subject: random thoughts my but the digests have been dense and meaty lately. i'm off to visit a friend in tampa for the long weekend - is there anything i absolutely should not miss out on, floridians? ...only have time for a few cents worth of thoughts, mainly replies. >i was FORCED to cuddle a Michigan native for warmth chipko, as i recall from a few months ago, you have no problem with cuddling michgan natives...:-) >How about Rubber Soul? She could call it Rub Her Soul... LOVE that! hope the bleeding subsides on "waiting for the bird" >Does anyone else think this song is the coolest? I mean, the lyrics rock >and the music's bitchin. It's gotta sorta strut your stuff feel to it YES...and it continues to grow on me, along with "freak of nature" >Someone should seriously get these cute ideas too Liz. wouldn't you think that liz (or someone close to her) is probably lurking on the list? perhaps even posting as someone else...anonymity can be a good thing. i know the spotlight gets to be a bit much, but if i knew a bunch of people who came to meet me when i performed discussed every aspect of me on a daily basis, the morbid curiosity would be enough to make me a fly on the wall, at least every so often. thoughts? >Evan >Dando is fascinating and talented-- and above all-- Gorgeous! i have a friend who hooked up with him... >NP: My wooden spoon on Mr.E's ass! ok, enough with the visuals! >I just want to urge all of you smart and >interesting women out there *NOT* to become bitter, but instead to try to >remember that there *ARE* good guys out here, too! i SO needed to be reminded of that today...thank you! things that make me smile on this list: darksideofthemoon's posts, and john kim's "big hug" >so I'm hung up on him and he's like... over me. Sigh. >I miss him so much. been there many times, darlin', and it never stops sucking. but, i make it through every time, and you will too. besides, ann arbor is crawling with cute, fun boys, when you're ready again. *********************************************************** "...well look at me i'm frightening my friends..." - -Liz Phair ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #193 ************************************