From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #191 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, June 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jen Trynin featured in documentary [Jason Long ] More, more, more! ["Stephanie Morris" ] dubious...du du dubious... ["MrE" ] the truth revealed [DarkSide oftheMoon ] Sally's rant [Mike Connolly ] 'balls enough' ["Morrise, Jason" ] L........ucy in the S.............ky with D..........iamonds [mhuisman ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #189 [Mike Connolly ] Hooray for everything. ["Bramble, Ted J." ] iron irony [Slopo@aol.com] slamming [Sine Ziegler ] bisexuality-slut--flame fear--RUB HER SOUL-Salt-beatlemania ["Jaime" ] updated Mesmerizing [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] guys, men, boys, and liz [sandra ] ... ["MrE" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:40:54 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Jen Trynin featured in documentary I found this news while checking out a few websites and thought that I would pass it along, knowing that there are quite a few Jen Trynin fans here. The only screenings of this film that are scheduled so far are both in Boston, and while I'd really like to be able to attend one of them, there's just no way that I'd be able to travel so far to do so. If any Boston-area Jen fans do make it to one of the screenings, please report back to the list about this film -- I'd really like to hear as much about it as possible, and I'm sure others would as well. For anyone in the Boston area who isn't already familiar with Jen's music, you should go check out this film anyway. It'll be a good way for you to check out a truly talented artist you might not hear otherwise. Payoff "Payoff" chronicles the lives of three Boston women musicians (Jen Trynin, Laurie Geltman & Juliana Nash) through three turbulent years while they struggle to obtain their dreams in the roller-coaster, youth oriented music business. Both insightful and heartfelt, "Payoff" covers such topics as ageism, sexism, social expectations, and the rationing of radio airplay to female artists. The film provides a guided tour of the reality behind the scenes of the seemingly glamorous world of music, and offers us a unique perspective on the role of women in rock and roll. Also featuring: Kay Hanley, Merrie Amsterburg, Thalia Zedek (Come), Chris Toppin (Fuzzy), Jules Verdone, Janet Egan (WBCN) and many others. Upcoming "Payoff" Screenings: August 12 - 8 PM: Museum of Fine Arts, Huntington Ave. Boston October 2: End Of The World Festival / Revolving Museum, Boston Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:48:33 -0700 From: "Stephanie Morris" Subject: More, more, more! I have finally been catching up on all of my Support System digests.. I agree, there has been too much bickering. I don't really have anything thrilling to say, but here goes... MrE wrote: ">"Little Trouble Girl" Sonic Youth ...anyone else going to the 'this ain't no picnic' gig with sonic and s-k this coming july 4th? should be a hot (literally) time in the wilds of orange county." Up here in Northern Cal, where everything REALLY happens, it's called "This is not a festival". No hacky sacks! I am going... yeah! From digest #162 "Also, re:'Kurt and Courtney' a lot of the stuff in that film is BULLSHIT!! If you want the damn truth about Courtney read her biography- the authorized one by Poppy Z Brite. SHE DIDN'T KILL KURT! Now I'm one angry dwarf........Sal" Well, yeah. Look at who Broomfield interviewed... remember the one guy at the end who was practically nodding off and had drug sores all over his face? How could anyone believe him or her Courtney's fucked up dad? JC wrote in #180 "He did not, however, found the state of Rhode Island. That was roger Williams, who I believe never had sex with an animal...maybe not even a person." Didn't Roger Williams sing ditties in the 50's and 60's, like King of the Road? That guy's shit must be old! From #186: "Garbage with... well, hell I don't know which song they could do!! Anybody else got any ideas?" Garbage should do 6'1". I don't know how tall Shirley is, but I don't imagine it's too much more than 5'2". And, even though everyone is sick of hearing what songs Liz should cover, I heard one today that would suit her "deep" voice- "Joey" by Concrete Blonde. Am I right? Am I right? About people who talk while a musician is up on stage, I saw Peter Stuart, formerly of Dogs Eye View (hey, if you aren't the lead dog, the view never changes... do you really want the dogs eye view?) He made a comment about the last time he had played at the particular venue where I saw him. He was upset that everyone had talked during his show, and this time they were much better. Of course Petey had spent the whole morning on a local radio show promoting himself and doing some Jewel and Sugar Ray bashing. Bitter? from #190: "Doc: "Anything you want...you name it." My wife winces and gives me that 'oh god doc you don't wanna do that' stare.. Now this is like giving a kid the candy store key... Me: "Hmmmmmm.....Vicodin sounds good..." Whooo-hoooo! And although I've swallowed more blood in the past 48 hours than Lestat on a tear, it should be a good weekend...." Be prepared for a weekend of spaciness and incoherent sentences... it's fun. I had the ol' wisdom teeth out 8 years ago (!!) and laughed from the Vicodin... only problem was laughing hurt my mouth so bad! Just don't drive anywhere. Again, 190: "When Mr.E posted something in reference to Courtney Love and mentioned Evan Dando, he was soo vague that I didn't know what he was talking about." There was some rumor a few years back that Dando and Lovey had gotten married, in Hawaii no less. All false, appearantly. Anyway, that's it. Can't think of anything else. I had my first Liz dream (I must be all grown up now!) She and her husband were being interview by Dick Clark in my parent's dining room. She and the husband looked like shit, really trashy. She was very subserviant to him. I have no idea what this was supposed to represent. - -S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:52:40 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: dubious...du du dubious... dear donald: personal attacks can and should be forwarded to MrE@mr-e.net . other than that, who are you and just what is your point? quite frankly, anyone asking me for information with a preconceived notion that it is, and i quote, "stupid", really ought to clarify their dubious stand and agenda without pointing fingers toward blame that does not exist. if this is not clear enough, then perhaps you should ignore me in as much as you can be assured that i will be ignoring you... regardless, MrE "The sushi looks marvelous," I tell her soothingly. ...Patrick Bateman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:24:18 PDT From: DarkSide oftheMoon Subject: the truth revealed Sandra prolly wish she hadn't asked: >What is it that guys--hetero guys--get out of her songs? I mean >PERSONALLY? Musicianship and beauty aside ... I'm just >talking about the lyrics and the songs' messages. I'd >really like to hear what some guys have to say. Sandra, sorry if you are getting personal e-mail about this..jeez folks, just an opinion she is sharing with us and I for one am glad she asked. So don't freeze up on us Sandra. Allow me to retort... Well for me, it's exactly what she's WRITING about. I mean a messed up relationship is a 2 sided thing (3 or more sided for some of us). And a broken heart hurts just as much if your male as it does female just like a broken leg would. It's the universal pains, joys and sorrows she writes about that we all experience be ye male or female. Of course she writes mostly from a female standpoint being female herself. When I listen to any given song, I can usually relate it to someone/thing that is in or has been in my life. Of course some men could also say that listening to her music gives them a better understanding of women and how they act/react to situations. And perhaps also Liz lends a lyrical voice of what some women might think or feel that men *might* not hear so eloquently from women out of their own mouths. Example - How many divorced men/women on this list can relate to Divorce Song? Sorta makes you wish you'd written it about the time that -ex of yours was screwing you (or someone else) doesn't it? Of course being female isn't the only qualifier to liking Liz. My wife is female (insert joke here) and she hates Liz more than any artist I know of. Indirectly my fault I guess cuz I listened to alot of Liz a few years back a) cuz I had just discovered her and b) cuz it got me through a very rough period in our lives. It twas not a good time (separation and all) so for my wife, it conjures up bad memories just hearing or seeing Liz. Imagine the fun in my house when Liz is on the stereo.... John bullseyed: >As Dr. Evil said in the original Austin Powers, "There's nothing >more >pathetic than an aging hipster." Here is how it happens. One >day you are >20 years old and the next day you feel basically the >same as you did the >day before. The kind of music and poetry you >liked yesterday you still >like today. The next day is the same. This >goes on for many years until >you become embarrassed with yourself >for having feelings that everyone >says are inappropriate for your >age. But what can you do? Bravo John! You hit the mark. I cannot see myself not liking the music I listen to now, like the beatles, Liz, u-name-it when i'm say 64..I agree except for the embarrased part...shit I don't look or act my "age" and am proud of it! You know what else is weird? I will be 39 this year. We have some friends (actually the daughter and boyfriend of one of our close friends) that hang and party with us on the weekends (yeah we're that cool). Now the boyfriend is 19 y/o. You would think he'd be into all this Tool/Manson/whatever-most-19-yearolds-are-into-music music but you know what he asked me to play the other day? Neil Young...... Not new stuff but "After the Gold Rush" and "Harvest". This is stuff I was listening to when it came out in 1970 and 1972 when I was like 11. He said his dad used to listen to it when he was growing up, but that wasn't the only contributing factor. The plain truth of it is he likes it - it's classic stuff, it rocks, it jams, even the acoustic songs. You can see the influence Neil had on Pearl Jam. Maybe I should play some Liz for him...hmmmmmm. It just blew me away that he knew what it was and liked it too. So why didn't my parents stay on the youth music train but instead chose to get off at the benny goodman station /next stop herb alpert junction instead of listening/liking what is popular/what I listen to now? A question better answered elsewhere than here.. But let me ask the list this, specifically the under 20 crowd...(and a short answer will do lest Jase chastize me).. Besides the Beatles (whom everyone MUST like no matter how old you are..My 7 y/o son can pick out Beatles songs on the radio. Yes, I'm raising him right) How many of you under 20 listen to music that falls into the late 60's/early 70's timeframe? And I don't mean just listening to it on your classic rock station and going 'yeah thats cool', but actually own the CD?... What got you into it? Parents? Friends? Just heard it and liked it? NP: Neil Young "After the Gold Rush" "when you dance....oooooooo...I can really love..." DarkSide oftheMoon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Connolly Subject: Sally's rant >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:34:25 -0700 >From: "Sally Mae" > Anyway, Ben Folds Five are called just that NOT Ben >Folds, sorry but it really annoys me when >people call BFF BF... ..., if it wasn't for Robert >and Darren there wouldn't be a BFF! True. Folds would be drummer for a band called The Semantics in that case. === Mikey C Va Beach "When money talks, I try not to listen But lately it's been screaming in my ear." - -Ben Folds Five, "Emaline" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:51:31 -0500 From: "Morrise, Jason" Subject: 'balls enough' jaime said: >But you what is the absolute best??? When she refers to herself >as a 'cunt'... I admire that. Not many women have 'balls enough' for >that... not to contradict you, I agree that you will never hear brittany spears speak of anything menstrual (shhh, it's that monthly visitor dear, try to hide it away), and I realize that your comment wasn't exactly aimed at one of the unique female experiences, but in 'out of habit' ani difranco has a great line: "my cunt is built like a wound that won't heal, and now you don't have to ask 'cause you know how I feel" jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:01:09 -0400 From: mhuisman Subject: L........ucy in the S.............ky with D..........iamonds hey all well, summer has started of kinda boring. I live sortof away from where alll my friends live, so I haven't really seen any of them. Oh well. I must warn any people who are sick of me talking about them damn Beatles. Well, I had an awesome dream last night that I would like to share. It is somewhat Beatles related, so if you don't wanna read it, then I suggest you don't!:-) Well, this dream was kinda sporatic because last night we had a terrible thunderstorm so I kept on waking up. Well, somehow this guy friend of mine was in my room and he was drinking this liquid from a shot glass. I think I said 'IS that vodka'? and he said something like 'No its liquid LSD'. I yanked the shot glass out of his hand and drank what was left. He said, 'What are you doing' and I said 'I wanna be like the Beatles' or something. Then, awhile later, I remember seeing people as characters out of Yellow Submarine. Everyone were cartoon characters, and I was floating or something. I kept on saying to my friend 'I wanna see stuff on fire'(i read in a book when people are on LSD they see everything on fire)Then i remembered i had my computer exam so I had to get to school while I was on this LSD trip....then I think I woke up. Needless to say, in the dream I failed the exam.:-) I don't know why I had this dream. I don't know if I would try LSD. I would want to only if I didn't have to deal with any consequences afterwards. I would want to know what it feels like, I guess. Oh well, if anyone is sick of me talking about the Beatles, please tell me:-) Marlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 08:07:49 -0700 From: "Al" Subject: Waiting For The Bird (The White Bird of Texas) Does anyone else think this song is the coolest? I mean, the lyrics rock and the music's bitchin. It's gotta sorta strut your stuff feel to it. My favorite line is the one that goes, "...my body's not ready for my mind to learn I've just been consigned here to rot in the earth. I'm waiting, I'm waiting..." Those may not be the exact words but I dig the "rot in the earth" part. It makes the song, considering its content and what she is singing about. Oh well, I'd like to see this released on her next album. The twanginess of her guitar is awesome. Vintage Liz Phair. Al Waiting for more Liz Phair... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Connolly Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #189 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:56:34 -0700 > From: "Sally Mae" > Subject: Funny...... > > Hey everyone, I just got sent this and thought it > was pretty funny.......Sal: Interesting. A forwarded junk e-mail to a mailing list by someone who was ranting just a few days ago about her email problems. Hmm.... NP: Art of Noise, _The Seduction of Claude DeBussy_ === Mikey C Va Beach "When money talks, I try not to listen But lately it's been screaming in my ear." - -Ben Folds Five, "Emaline" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:15:25 -0700 From: "Bramble, Ted J." Subject: Hooray for everything. Hey wow, I haven't written here in about five months since I wrote that "I listen to Liz's music and it's so sad that I feel like I want to give her a hug." Then I got flamed saying how I don't know Liz's music and I'm a guy and golly, I work for Disney so somehow I have turned into a pixie-dusted Eisner love-child. No, I'm not bitter. i get a little miffed when folks tell me that because i'm male i can't > 'get' phair's music, and even more miffed at the notion that i listen to > her because i see her as a sex object. certainly there's a commonality > of > experience that i don't have, but i think there's an emotional core to > virtually all of the songs that's a little more universal. > Thank you for that. And I will leave it there. And now Sandra m'dear..... > Sandra wrote: > >On THAT note, I have trouble believing that guys can > >get what Liz is saying as well as girls can. A guy > >told me once that the Divorce Song is so sad it's > >depressing, even though he likes the song. And it's > >totally not sad in my view. I'll probably get flak > >from the guys, but truly, she's a girl's girl all the > >way through. On our side, speaking for us. What is it > >that guys--hetero guys--get out of her songs? I mean > >PERSONALLY? Musicianship and beauty aside ... I'm just > >talking about the lyrics and the songs' messages. I'd > >really like to hear what some guys have to say. > Me being the guy that Sandra is writing about, how could you not see the heartbreak and sadness described in Divorce Song? I mean, jesus chirst, it's a fucking song about DIVORCE, it's not titled 'The happy first date that went really great song.' Ah screw it, I think I'll go hide again for four more months. > Most of the male fans I know personally are gay, and those who > aren't just don't seem to get it the way I do. > ....?.... I don't know what NP means, but I'm guessing you're trying to push some music on people so I'll just say NP: Minor Threat Discography with some Weezer in the rotation. Teddy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:31:30 EDT From: Slopo@aol.com Subject: iron irony dear beloved list, so there i am, sitting, minding my own business, thinking about the clouds, with my head in the clouds, and off goes my email beeper. "beep" it says. i do the only thing one can do in a situation like that, which is to click on the email from which emanated the "beep". it turns out to be an email from my ex-girlfriend, the only girl i have ever loved, and with whom I have not spoken in a long time. she wrote to tell me that she's working hospital rounds with Jon Phair, MD, who is very proud of her daughter, but gets heckled left and right for her lyrics. she said she'll work on getting an autographed t-shirt for me. sigh.... Pixie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:40:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Sine Ziegler Subject: slamming Danald J ( dj from nj ) wrote about slamming ideas and others on the list. What I think makes your statement somewhat invalid is the fact that just yesterday you slammed " She's All That " which I think was a fully entertaining movie and worth the $2 at the cheap theatres. I will acknowledge that you stated no offence to the Liz Phair fan. Teeny Bops, preps, trenchcoat mafia, who gives a fuck... everyone watches the same movies. Labelling, hypocrisy, stereotypes,are not all fanatic only to SuSy so don't let it be such a big deal. - -Sina P.S how many african americans are into Liz? how many of you were labelled preps in high school? how many Liz fans havnt smoked up at least once? how many devout Catholics are Italian........... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:44:14 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: bisexuality-slut--flame fear--RUB HER SOUL-Salt-beatlemania Okay, thought I'd just do some replies again, I'm lacking in the creativity department-- But dont worry I'm sure its curable... <> <> <> Interesting. So Liz does follow through with her threats. I think I respect her more now. Okay, new subject. <> <> Feelin's mutual, G. <> <> <> Scary, isnt it? Hey, everyone--- no picking on Sandra. She's sweet. I'm sure she didnt mean harm. <> <> <> <> "Rub Her Soul" -- that's cute. And its also my favorite Beatles album. Someone should seriously get these cute ideas too Liz. I hope you teeth are feeling better DSotM... Vicodin... good stuff ?? Smoke one for me~ <> <> <> <> <> <> My only comment on this mess is that MrE/Momus does not post to this list to start shit. In fact I dont think there are many on this list who do. What everyone wants is a good liz discussion ? right ? And we are allowed to go off subject... And I started the whole Kurt-ney thing. So please let me say sorry for bringing it up, I guess it isnt something we can discuss maturely since there were so many outbursts about it. Lighten' up people. But my point is-- GRAIN OF SALT ??? (Maybe that wonderful guy who wrote that letter should re-post it.) DP IN NJ-- In the future, maybe not referring to an artist (or anything in relation to the artist) as "stupid" would be the considerate thing to do. Although I didnt post a reply about it, I was also a little irked--- Evan Dando is fascinating and talented-- and above all-- Gorgeous! So any pics of Evan arent stupid in my eyes. But that's my opinion. And you have yours. And thats fine with me. I've looked at this from your point of view-- now try looking from mine. (And I dont mean to stir up anymore animosity either.) <> <> This is my favorite thread... I love the beatles and Liz. "why dont we do it--" Would be so cute for Liz too do... I was also thinking "junk" or "I'm so tired" also-- "strawberry fields forever" or "I've just seen a face"--- that one is fast and jumpy-- a good one for liz...she'd have such killer vocals on that song "Had it been another day-- I might've looked the other way-- But as it is I'll dream of her tonight!" Hey-- my phone just rang--- right at the beginning of "dizzy miss lizzy" the high guitar sounded just like the phone--- it was strange. ok- thats all. Gottalovethembeatles--- ~jaime* :<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>: ~"It is recorded that Chinese Taoist recommended the addition of cannabis to their incense burners in the 1st century as a means of achieving immortality."~ <>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>: NP: Beatles _HELP!_ ~Lets go chase that creativity down with a shot of vodka~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:24:40 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: Rocket boy, poor sandra, katie's WAY cool mom >>as mother said, "Where has he >>been living in the past two years? With his head up >>his ass?" My mother, so young at heart. =) WOW, Katie, your mom sounds really cool! I wish my mom loved liz or even that she'd talk like that! Every time I play music I get told it sounds middle Eastern, Caribbean or like noise. I don't know where my mom comes up w/ this shit! Hey Sandra, Don't sweat this whole thing too much. *I have not come into contact w/that many straight men that are diehard about liz either. I'm sure you know you were gonna get some slack for your post, but wanted feedback on a thought, anyway. This was good because we've been able to hear from the guys and their angle on what got them into liz and what it is about her and her music that means the most to them. It's been interesting to read the posts and it's always interesting to hear the history of how one became a liz phan. ROCKET BOY!! I am sure this was posted way back when, but oh well..... I just found this CD called "God Bless America" it is a promo CD put out by Calvin Klein in 1997 and "Rocket Boy" appears on this- hence the beginning of the notorious relationship between our fair ms.phair and mr.Klein(Calvin, if you're nasty!), perhaps? That's all. Fair well dp in nj NP: My wooden spoon on Mr.E's ass! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: blah blah blah blah hey everyone, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah shameless self-promotion blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah more tabs posted blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah mesmerizing, glory ('cause craig asked), soap star joe blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. non-liz content: blah blah blah blah kurt blah blah blah blah blah suicide blah blah blah "unsolved mysteries" tv show blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. oh yeah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah stupid dog ate my ice cream bar blah blah blah blah $#!@#&* blah blah blah blah hospital blah blah blah surgery blah blah blah blah blah jury duty blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah party time! ...bleh **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:34:58 -0500 (CDT) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: updated Mesmerizing Hello, New pics and an old Chicago's Subnation article added. Come back and visit! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: sandra Subject: guys, men, boys, and liz she starts out by > asking the interviewer "so > are you gonna ask me about my bisexual past?" Wow, first confirmation I've heard that Liz is sexually open. cool. Thanks Tad, Jason, CHL, Johnm, and others for being frank about your feelings. (phrank about your pheelings?) CHL, almost every point you make is very well taken. I do want to clarify regarding my interpretation of Johnny Feelgood. And see, this is what I love about Liz. We can all see it differently. To me, Johnny Feelgood isn’t about a ‘bad boy.’ It’s about a very attractive, accomplished, successful person who isn’t really a *good* person inside but somehow digs out the best intellectual parts of me, forcing me to challenge myself in new and different ways unlike anyone has ever done. I want to please him, and by extension, I please myself--this is how he makes me feel ‘strangely good about myself.’ In a twisted way he makes me improve myself. He’s totally wrong for me in a fundamental way, but good for me in a lot of little ways. (Granted, I am thinking of a *specific* person--as if it weren’t obvious.) But it’s not the done-to-death hurt-me-I-like-it theme. some men > might actually be > *curious* as to what's going on in the heads of > intelligent women? Can I meet some more of these men? Please? ; ) Also, I never said ‘men can’t understand Liz’--I said ‘I have trouble believing that men get what Liz is saying as well as girls can’--but I am a living, breathing, always-learning woman who is getting older more and more quickly with each passing year, or so it seems ... I wanted to hear from the kind of men I hadn’t ever heard from before. And I was ready to listen and read whatever was said. In my life I am a solo Phan--this list is, pathetically, all I have for sharing Liz. I am thrilled that so many men wrote and said positive things--either to SupSys or privately. John wrote: > > Also, even if Liz has one particular thing in mind > that she's trying to > express, do we have to say that her intended meaning > is the one true, > correct meaning that you either get or you don't? no, definitely not. which is why I wanted to see different viewpoints. And this is great: your interpretations of Perfect World and Love is Nothing are so different from mine. For me, the main appeal of any song is its > ability to send shivers > down my spine. I have said the same thing. couldn’t agree more. And how > about Jealousy? Who hasn't > felt that? particularly what I love about Jealousy is that you know, she knows, we all know ... how irrational that behavior is, how it doesn’t make sense, but we *just can’t help it.* > > My last thought-of-the-day is about being old. Being > old is even worse than > being a man. A quote worth saving! Thanks everyone, John in particular. 28 on paper, feeling 19, and terrified of 30. Sandra NP: Liz, Phairplay from Justin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:30 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: ... sorry donald... dear dana... or to whomever "The sushi looks marvelous," I tell her soothingly. ...Patrick Bateman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #191 ************************************