From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #188 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, June 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- its not the reason...its the lead ["MrE" ] free sticker [John Kim ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #187 [Dermich@aol.com] (no subject) [Paul Schatz ] re:"flower" cover" "she's all that" and teenyboppers, VH1 and liz Pahir! [Danaldj@aol.co] Hawaii-Aloha you hawaian liz phans [Danaldj@aol.com] one last rant [Danaldj@aol.com] Glory tab? [Craig King ] calling London ["Nicole W." ] Fast Flower [TaliaK@aol.com] Nothingness [Katie Myers ] politicks ["MrE" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:05:27 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: its not the reason...its the lead >A Todd reference? ...pre-cyberian >Yesss........but Courtney didn't contribute to Kurts depression >cause of what she was doing..she contributed simply >because she was there and if you really think about it.. >the pain one may be suffering in order to do what Kurt >did must be SO extreme that simply EVERYTHING you look >at contributes to your depression because it's all ONE MORE >THING to deal with... ...and your credentials are from? at the risk of crassness, allow me to ask you just when you were male? not the butt of all jokes variety, but the real flesh and bleeding emotion type? you know, the ones that somehow get lumped in with the evil white male theorem, the all men are shit ideology, the ones that are really sick of hearing just how the feel, just how they ought to feel and just how they will fell. phuc that...i feel just how i feel: dehumanized. and for the record, can anyone quote a realistic statistic (what a phucn oxymoron) concerning just what it takes for a man to dislodge his brain verses what it takes for a woman to do likewise? surprise surprise...they're not the same...they're both just dead...so? so little to say, so much time to do it in...uh...nevermind...oh well...whatever... the less than effervescent and overwhelmed Momus "...i wish i was special... you're so fuckin' special...but i'm a creep.." ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhSHIT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim Subject: free sticker hi. i offered a free sticker a while ago, and now i've lost the address of the winner. so if you are the real winner please email me privately with your address, and those who did not win, don't try anything sneaky. i'll remember the name when i see it. and those of you who sent me cd-r's, they are in the mail. owen c. your's will be ready shortly. big hug. john kim email: jjk50@columbia.edu aol IM: puppechase ____________________________________________ "i don't remember lying, i don't rememeber lines, i don't remember words, but i don't care, i care, i really don't care." --S.M. reluctant voice of a generation ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:01:43 EDT From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #187 > Has anybody covered any Liz songs that anybody knows about? Muzzle (on Reprise) covered "Fuck and Run." Derek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:40:29 -0500 From: Paul Schatz Subject: (no subject) "courtney lives for the limelight" hey, guess what? Probably 99% of all the rock stars, movie stars, tv stars and everyone trying to be one lives for the limelight. I hate to quote old Rush songs, or any Rush songs (especially since most of the people on this list were born after i both bought and got rid of this record--yes, record not cd) but "livin in the limelight, the universal craze." One more example, I saw Roddy Frame, formerly of Aztec Camera, doing a solo show. People kept talking in the back of the club. He kept asking them to be quiet. Finally, exasperated, he said,"Lok, shutup or i leave." Someone yelled "You have one hell of an ego." Roddy replied "Isure as hell do. You get on this stage without one." Courtney didn't kill kurt. Kurt killed kurt. And Liz rocks. And if you don't think she likes the limelight, well, she's spent a lot of time getting over her stage fright for some reason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:41:04 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: re:"flower" cover" "she's all that" and teenyboppers, VH1 and liz Pahir! I HATE AOL!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry, but I HAD to say that cos I keep getting kicked off when i am in the middle of posts and it is not saving them b4 kicking me off,for some lame reason. So i'll try to be quick b4 i get kicked off again: dp wrote: "pansy division covers "flower" " REALLY? Is it cool, does it sound like the original or very different? When did they do it? And Juliana Hatfield covering "Flower" would be cool cos of her innocent/sweet sounding voice! AS for Britney Speers/NKOTB/BSB/Jewel responses I liked this one: <> What WOULD VH1 show all day if it weren't for all the washed up one hit wonders? And in regards to Liz's "Baby Got Going" being in "She's All that"- UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! With the exception of the cool liz phan who posted w/that info, I expect that the cheesy teens who would actually watch a movie w/a title as stupid as "she's all that" and a plot which has been done to death, should NOT be introduced to Liz and I am sad to hear that Liz would allow her songs in such lame movies! I am sorry, I don't really know why- maybe it's cos when i was a teen into all this "alternative" stuff, I got so much shit for it and then it became big and I guess I'm just bitter or have an inflated ego and feel that teenyboppers don't have the intelligence to truly understand and appreciate Ms.Phair's music; But I am Not of the "let's expose the kids to liz and they will be cool and then we can hear her all the time on the radio" persuasion. Now onto the next ADD thought:<> I just noticed someone typed that in a post and almost all the time when I am posting, I do the same thing! I was actually just gonnna ask if anyone else frequently finds themselves posting info about one liz pahir! <> Ummm, not to be terribly mean, ok, well maybe a little mean, but when DOESN'T she look like a man?! Alright I had this great rant on the Hole Kurt/Courntey and even Pavement debate, but It disappeared when I got kicked off , maybe i will repeat it later. g'bye! dp in nj NP: Clouds - "thunderhead" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:51:45 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: Hawaii-Aloha you hawaian liz phans Aloha! I was wondering if there are any lizters out there from Hawaii? If so, could you e-mail me and help me? I am planning to go there (maui and honolulu) from Aug11-19 and was wondering if there's anything cool going on around then? Thanks! dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:31:50 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: one last rant I remembered a point I wanted to make about all this Kurt/Courtney talk and it goes like this: (abbreviated verison, cos i don't feel like rehashing everything I said when i was kicked off and don't want to get kicked off again) No one except Kurt and Courtney know what happened, who pulled the trigger(dp), etc. Contributing factor (as someone mentioned)- when you're suicidal (and a heroin addict) what isn't a *contributing factor* ? What were you talking about , Mr.E, when you mentioned Evan Dando, some stupid pics? you know this is just like this whole Pavement brew-ha-ha(!!) Isn't it possible that Stephen's comments were taken out of context or were off the record and it was some slimey journalist trying to stir up some shit that started all this? Don't you think that everyone you've ever rec'd Kurt info from has their own bias or slant and nothing that we the people hear/learn is guaranteed to be even remotely close to the truth? We get second-third-fourth-fifth-hand info/rumors/mutations on reality as it is learned or reported by someone else. So why waste our precious time on Earth speculating about other people and their lives, when we will probably never learn the truth. Instead we should just try to respect everyone's opinions, cos none of us can be authorities on any of these situations and I HIGHLY Doubt that Courtney or Stephen are sitting around right now talking about us and something we did or said! off the soapbox, dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: Glory tab? Does anybody know where I can find the guitar tab for "Glory"? It's one of my fav Liz songs and seems so easy to play, and I was just wondering if anyone knew where I could find the tab for this song. Thanks. Craig "AdRock" Phair Territory http://phairterritory.freeservers.com NP: Anthrax - Stomp 442 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: calling London Any of you Londoners know about what the weather in Lodnon is like from July 4 thru august 13? I kno it's erratic, but is there a general sort of span of temperature that it stays in? What kind of clothing should I pack for London? e-mail me privately if you prefer so as not to bother the rest of the LIZ PHAIR themed mailing list (well it would be Liz Phair themed if I didn 't exist)... I just am clueless and dn't know where the hell to find out info about weather! IF you have a suggestion of where to look, i'll take that too. Thanks. Umm Liz content? I got a new portable CD player that can go in the car, so now I can listen to more liz in the car... yeeha! it's an early birthday present, and I also got two beatles CDs. I'm not sure how much I like "Help!" but I like most of "Let It Be", which leads me to conclude I like the later Beatles, not the earlier stuff. Waiting by the phone for that bastard to call (maybe in the future I'll say he was only practice, but for nwo I like him alot, and he treats me like shit, but he didn';t used to, it's just a development of hte past week), Nicole NP: Someone watching TV in the kitchen. Yeah, that's the name of an album. Some kind of progressive album. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:24:53 EDT From: TaliaK@aol.com Subject: Fast Flower Ok, I just listened to the fast version of Flower from Pottymouth Girl that Mark has up with his mp3's (Which I say Thank you Thank you Thank you for! I now have a whole rare Liz playlist set up on my computer that I listen to) and I realized where I know the tune from ( I always thought it sounded familiar). It sounds like Somewhere Over the Rainbow (the verse part)... now am I just imagining this or have other people noticed this? Robin "You look like shit and the smell is even better. And I feel like shit and I want to go back to bed." - -Liz Phair NP: Rare Liz mp3 playlist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Katie Myers Subject: Nothingness A curious thought, does Liz have any songs that are basically about nothing? You know...songs with a bunch of words put together and don't make up a story or any sense? The only thing I can think of now is Big Tall Man. Sooooo...here's a new address for me since I was getting too much mail at AOL. Can't complain, something cool I got from geoshitties...oops, geocities cuz they partnered up with Yahoo! Same thing as Music Blvd. partnering with CDnow. What's up with that? Katie ();) NP: Stevie Nicks_The Other Side of the Mirror _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:56:50 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: politicks AND should i appear to be ludicrous, i am equally sure that the erratic behavior of the junkie cobain was equally as taxing on the junkie love as was visa-versa. i do not recall ever trying to draw wings on kurt as there is nothing pleasant with regard to the life of an addict. my intent was and is simply to state that there are some things in life that are more affecting to some than to others, which makes us all fairly lame in attempting to derive conclusions concerning lives we have not lived...i judge neither courtney nor kurt nor liz nor bill nor ted, well, maybe ted... regardless Momus "The sushi looks marvelous," I tell her soothingly. ...Patrick Bateman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #188 ************************************