From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #182 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, June 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hot Press article [Jason Long ] SWF seeks chicago lizphest info [Isha Leigh ] chickclick ["MrE" ] TornandShane ["Michael Carapella" ] ANGRY............ ["Sally Mae" ] Shane Dubow article [drpeak@juno.com] Shane [tommyk7@excite.com] I've got a feeling.....a feeling I can't hide....oh no [mhuisman ] I Miss The Comfort in Being Sad ["M.L.Magdalene" ] Liz Look-alike [Amy Sorlie ] i believe in example i believe my throat hurts ["Nicole W." ] cloud nine~~~~@ ["Jaime" ] DP ["Nicole W." ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ben folds [Nach1120@aol.com] Liz as a war-protest songwriter (Shane, Hello Sailor) [palik@ix.netcom.co] are we having fun yet? [raymond lew ] liz=pavement?, response to wedding ?, and HELP!!!!! I need it, lots! [Dan] Re: liz=pavement?, response to wedding ?, and HELP!!!!! I need it, lots! [John Kim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:47:10 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Hot Press article Hey everyone, Here's an article about Liz that recently appeared in Hot Press, a UK-based publication. Unfortunately, I don't know the date of the issue it appeared in. One of the employees at a record store I frequent saw the article, thought of me and saved it, but he gave me just the article itself, not the entire magazine. I'll try to find out when it's from, but if not, hopefully someone else will be able to. Cheers, Jase _____________________ THE PHAIR SEX GUIDE Liz Phair talks to Nick Kelly about relationships, sexism, the Lilith Fair tour ... oh, and music. The perception of Liz Phair as the archetypal kooky collegiate rock chick may need some adjustment. Granted, the Illinois songstress still has a soapbox and knows how to use it, but in the five years between her last album, _Whipsmart_, and the current collection, the psychedelically-named, _Whitechocolatespaceegg_, Phair has climbed the twin towers of marriage and motherhood. Now 31, Phair is quite philosophical about the changes that have taken place in her life since she spurted to cult stardom in the early 90s with her landmark debut _Exile In Guyville_ -- a record which Rolling Stone, aptly enough, voted one of the 200 Greatest Albums Of All Time. "I had to become a little more mature, a little more responsible," muses Phair down a phoneline from her Chicago base. "A lot of people do that in their late twenties. If they're not mature when they leave school, then somewhere around those late twenties, everyone has to get their shit together. That's what I did. It just took a different form than most people." Indeed, one of the most oft-repeated axioms of rock'n'roll is that it allows its stars to exist in a state of suspended adolescence, if not actually become younger than yesterday. Did Phair ever feel like she could end up a refugee in pop's Tir Na nOg? "I think that would have happened to me if I hadn't had my son. I think having my son was the catalyst that really helped me solidify my identity, which most people don't do -- and sometimes to very fruitful ends -- in rock'n'roll." Thankfully, Phair resisted the temptation to make this record _The Baby Album_, as so often happens when singers spawn sprogs. _Whitechocolatespaceegg_ is still brimming with the playful impetuosity and occasional animosity of previous Phair fare. It's true there's a wider musical scope at work now and the sound is altogether brighter and more colourful, but the songs still revolve around Phair's idiosyncratic lyrics, with her trademark streams of consciousness and rambling conversational detours. "Writing songs for me has been my way of tapping into all the dangerous or mischievous things that I'm interested in, but don't necessarily base my whole life around. That's what I use music for. It's a level above my real life." One particular song, 'Big Tall Man', is an impressionistic conundrum that leaves the mind a-boggle. Phair explains its genesis. "When you're pregnant, you're not allowed to drink coffee or alcohol or anything. So you're forced into being totally sober. So I turned to reading books on getting to know your intuition; you know, psychic handbooks. One of the exercises was to channel someone. So I channelled my producer, Scott Litt. That song was verbatim what I wrote down. I turned it into a song." What exactly does 'channelling' someone mean? "I dunno, I've never done it since," she laughs. "It's like a medium trying to speak to ghosts. It was all about trying to use an unused part of the brain. It was the only way I could try to keep the mystery alive when I was pregnant because you can't run off and eat mushrooms like you can when you're 20." R.E.M. aficionados will recognise Scott Litt as the producer who oversaw the Athenians' passage from cult media darlings to mammoth mainstream rock monsters. Phair managed to coax Messrs. Berry, Buck and Mills (as well as R.E.M. session players Nathan December and Scott McCaughey) to play on one song, 'Fantasize'. "That was a big thrill," enthuses Phair. "It was a big celebrity moment for me. They were all in the room and playing my song. It was a mind-boggle." Was Phair a devout R.E.M. fan? "I wasn't a fan in the sense that I would be waiting for their new album to come out, but I've always really loved their sound. And I always thought that Scott did something really special with them because they came from really chaotic beginnings. Their music was so emotional and not very rigid or organised. It had a painterly feel to it. Scott Litt had a way of keeping that alive yet still organising it, and bringing it into a pop form. "That's what I wanted done to my music because I'm very sloppy and very spontaneous in the way I write. I tried to come up with a new sound. Until now, I had only worked with Brad Wood. I wanted to grow a little bit." The record company's press release for the new album holds Phair responsible for the existence of Alanis Morissette. Obviously, employers are wont to whip up the hype regarding their charges, but just how does Phair herself feel at the assertation that she is the godmother of 1990s confessional singer/songstresses? "I think that's incredibly humiliating," she answers. "I would never have written that. In fact, in interviews I actively try and refute that, because I believe there's a lot of women who were making that kind of music. It's just that they didn't get the public forum that I got. "I hate when they try and infer that I'm responsible for Alanis Morissette. I've been out with her. I've seen her. She's way beyond me as a performer. I think what we all have in common is that we were all kind of spreading our wings. I was one of the first to get noticed in the early stages of this recent female rock movement. There's no one woman responsible for any one else. It's just everybody picking up the ball and running with it." Does Phair feel an affinity with her female songwriting peers or is it being disingenuous to lump them all in together and seek a common thread that doesn't exist? "I come from a very political college background," she explains. "I believe that we do have a lot in common because of our experiences in the business. It's still a very male business. The women that I've encountered -- the female performers at Lilith Fair last summer, or those I met at the Grammys - -- I think we all are reaching out to each other. Even if we get only, like, 25 minutes to bond, there's this intensity where we want to reach out and connect because we all know that we've been through so many similar things. "Maybe musically, you could make a case for some of us having an affinity but as human beings -- as women -- in this business, that's the strongest tie. We need to check in with each other and say, 'yes, we have a peer group, and here we are'." So it's important for Phair not to feel isolated from her sister acts? "I heard Sarah McLachlan talk about isolaton incessantly at the daily press conferences during the Lilith Fair tour because, generally, we are all so isolated from each other. It's an isolating business for an artist. Beyond that, to be female, to retain some female hierarchy within this male-created system, is really, really hard." Phair joined the travelling players for 20 dates of the tour, in keeping with Lilith Fair's ever-revolving line-up. Does she believe this strictly women-only event to be a watershed for female artists? "When I look on what I consider my glory days, it's not the _Exile_ period at all," she says. "I was very confused and lonely then. I was almost fighting that whole phenomenon when it happened to me. I know I'm going to remember this last summer on the Lilith Fair tour as being my glory day. Because it was the victory of the underdog. No-one thought that they could do it and there we all were making history. I was so proud to be part of it. It was our own kind of Woodstock." Lilith Fair introduced Phair to many different singers she might never have met otherwise (everyone from Emmylou Harris and Victoria Williams to Natalie Merchant and N'Dea Davenport were involved). "Yeah. Now I would feel comfortable calling whoever it was and asking them to do something on the new record if that were appropriate. It was fun to have done a bunch of shows and observe the people who were just arriving and doing their first dates and seeing how excited they all were. They couldn't believe the environment. They were like, 'wow, you're all nice and we're all talking and hanging out!'. It was so, so positive." Will the Lilith Fair change the lot of women in the industry now? "You know what, to tell you the truth, I think it's already changed things," she avers. "When you look at the proliferation of all these female acts, they're getting signed left and right. But I really believe that the only action you're gonna see beyond that is if we all get together and do it again. Women are gonna have to do it for themselves. I still hear men in the industry say, 'women just can't pull in as big a crowd as men'. Maybe we're going to have to just keep on throwing these damn parties till we have our own history." Sexual politics is also, of course, one of the recurring preoccupations of Phair's songs and the new album is no different: the emotional wear and tear of relationships as well as the politics of sex itself spring up freqently. One could almost subtitle a Liz Phair record 'Sex And The Settee'. Appropriately, the discussion turns to the ground-breaking TV series, _Sex And The City_, and its portrayal of New York women as indomitable sexual predators, chasing frustratingly ineffectual men. "I definitely think that men have over-rated the idea that women just want a cuddle and sensitivity," suggests Phair. "There was a time when women reined them in, saying 'you've got to listen to me when I talk and you have to remember that I have a life too'. And so men think, 'ah, you want just sensitivity'. But most women I know have a very healthy sex drive and are concerned with it, in the same way men are. "Also, I think when men are young -- 18 or 19 -- they're really driven to have sex. They make the big display earlier on. It seems like they're just obsessed with it and women aren't. But then in their middle twenties, women start to get obsessed with it -- and men have calmed down a bit. But then men say, 'well, they're desperate to have children'. You know what I mean?!" Is it all down to the different biological cycles or sexual peaks of men and women? "It could be that, but it could also be the fact that women are taught to be afraid of sex: 'you could get AIDS, you could get pregnant?' ... Little girls are not really taught about sex. They're not taught to enjoy it or think of it as their right. It's like, 'don't do it till you're married'. 'Don't let them take advantage of you'. 'If you don't bring my daughter home by 10 pm, I'll beat you up'. What is that saying to a girl? She's thinking, 'what is this guy going to try and do to me?' There's a sense of fear built around sex in our culture." It's only when they get older that they get to grips with it? "Yeah, they learn what it's all about and that they can control aspects of it." Interestingly, _Sex And The City_ is written by two men, yet it purports to offer a woman's perspective on sex and relationships. "That's an old story. That's been around forever. Half the time with women singers, they're created by men and they sing the songs the men tell them to - -- with the exception of the Lilith Fair singers. But _Sex And The City_ freaks me out a little bit because the women seem just a little bit desperate, ya know what I mean? They're always trying to be so happening but they're kind of old to be like that. They don't seem that obsessed with their work. There are a lot of women in New York City who work really hard and although I'm sure that when they go out they go really wild, I don't think they go out that much." Where would you like to live? "It depends on my husband too -- where he can work and where he wants to work. I would like to go to California and I would love to live in New York but it's really expensive. I wouldn't mind going to Europe and getting the hell out of America for a while. I feel wildly adventurous right now." What are your feelings about America? "I love America. I really do. But you can have too much baggage. Sometimes I just wish I knew the world a little better. It's so self-centered here. That's the great luxury of the place and I love to come back here and just wallow in it but I don't want to die without having known what planet I was on. Let's hope she finds out! ________________________________________________________ _Whitechocolatespaceegg_ is out now on Matador/EMI. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:57:23 -0400 From: Isha Leigh Subject: SWF seeks chicago lizphest info Okay, greyhound requires a 14 day advance purchase for the Buy one get one companion bs deal. Before I spend more money than I should on tickets I would like to know if this phest in chicago is really happening. (cough Hurricane cindy Nagle!:) ) I know everyone has a life and I know that this kinda can't take priority over work, school, bills, drug habits, etc., but I would like some concrete info. I will be abducting others to join me and there will be general dismemberment (of me) if I drag anyone to chicago for no reason. I would just like to go to chicago for the hell of it, but others don't see my point of view. A small motivation bauble dangled in front of me and I'm there. If anyone knows for certain what's going on please contact me. SING Flower at the top of your lungs while in the car. Keep the windows closed. Mouth the words at passengers in the car next to you. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:32:19 -0700 From: "MrE" Subject: chickclick okokok...so i went to www.chickclick.com wore my best cologne, washed my hair, thought about shaving, clicked my heels together three times and said, 'there's no place like chickclick, there's no place like chickclick, there's no...' and i was right, not a date in sight...how very depressing...so, instead, i think i will respond (with the utmost of male discretion of course) to some of the probing queries du jour: 1. should women be allowed to sunbathe topless? duh... 2. bisexuality: is it right to have your cake and eat it too? double entendre aside, only if you share. 3. you have 24 hours to live, what do you do? please see numbers 1 and 2. 4. sizing it up: breasts, real small ones or large fake ones? is that real small ones or is it real small ones? all in all, gotta say, any sight fixated on the feminine breast, is bookmarked...thank you Sally Mae for a pleasant albeit surreal experience ~~ liz...lilith...is there the hint of caliphobia here...and can't you other coasters find something for peter frampton to do... Regardless Momus ~~ The First Thing I've Got To Do Is To Do Something First )_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_(_)_( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:58:43 -0700 From: "Michael Carapella" Subject: TornandShane >>It' s so crazy that she became so popular from that song and did not even write it! and most people don't even know that! Did you know that Ednaswap appear on the "Jawbreaker" movie sndtk, along w/the Donnas, Letters to Cleo, Shampoo and the Friggs.<< Yeh, I think they did "Next to You" by the Police, right? They played it the night I saw them at the House of Blues. Many artists who ultimately became huge do not write the songs they sing (Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Celine Dion spring to mind) but in the post-Beatles era, and especially with the revival of the singer-songwriter (particularly female) over the past several years, you do sort of assume that the singer actually wrote the song. According to Anne of Ednaswap, that was the THIRD cover of that song--all without their permission or consent. By the by, I would be mc from ca following your model, but I was mc from ny for the first 21 years of my life. I'm just another import now... Thanks to Jason for the Shane article. Seems as though that guy is completely full of shit for at least half the article, but there certainly were some interesting bits and he did confirm a few of my suspicions. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:20:00 -0700 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: ANGRY............ Excuse me Jamie but I happen to be a senior school student *high school in your terms* so are you saying I'm not worthy of seeing Liz live?? Not like I'll have the opportunity to see her here in Australia but still. I hope that article by that Shane guy isn't supposed to be serious because what he said about males being behind female rock stars' success is chauvinist bullshit!!! Look at Courtney Love *KURT DIDN'T WRITE LIVE THROUGH THIS*, look at Shirley Manson*she does write all the lyrics*!! You people are lucky you're seeing Ben Lee, he toured Australia recently but did he do any all-ages gigs? NO!!! He decided to be inconsiderate instead and he's only 20 years old *you have to be 18 to get in a pub/club here*!! Also, re:'Kurt and Courtney' a lot of the stuff in that film is BULLSHIT!! If you want the damn truth about Courtney read her biography- the authorized one by Poppy Z Brite. SHE DIDN'T KILL KURT! Now I'm one angry dwarf........Sal "Hey you, so bored and cynical it's fucking wonderful They sold you out"-Playing Your Song;Hole *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:00:53 -0700 From: drpeak@juno.com Subject: Shane Dubow article Re: Shane Dubow's article "IF YOU LIKE LIZ PHAIR" Is it just me or does Mr. Dubow seem awfully full of himself or what? Someone who's "kind or sensitive or humble. Someone like me." would never write an article like that about a supposed ex-girlfriend anyway -- even in jest or as a humorous piece. It doesn't come off as humorous to the reader at all, but rather snotty, snide -- and dare I say _damning_ of Liz? Shane sounds like he was dumped by Liz for someone better and still hasn't gotten over it. (Actually, as I write this it hits me: They never dated! He loved her from afar, she used him for his stereo, computer, etc. When he heard her later sing about blow jobs, etc. he realized really what he missed out on... and he never got over that!) And she always could have used someone else's stereo to dub those tapes also, he was probably just lucky that he was home when she needed them done. (This also sounds fishy. She had the capability of recording four-track, doing the engineer work herself -- bouncing tracks, etc., but couldn't copy two cassettes?????) Shane also sounds like a spoiled rich kid: "We'd drop the top, redline the tach and bomb through the night." Rick kid whose ma and pa paid for college, owns a convertible sports car, tries to woo hot college chick with his material possessions. I for one am glad that Liz DID leave him behind in the dust, sounds like it serves him right. Shane: get over it!!!!! D.R.Peak P.S. anybody got a copy of Girlysounds they'd be willing to copy for me?????? I promise to never write such an article about you like Shane did to Liz in return. (snicker, snicker...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:47:15 PDT From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: Shane drpeak@juno.com wrote: "Shane also sounds like a spoiled rich kid: 'We'd drop the top, redline the tach and bomb through the night.' Rick kid whose ma and pa paid for college, owns a convertible sports car, tries to woo hot college chick with his material possessions." Hence the lyrics for 6'1", perhaps? TMK NP: Chili Peppers, Californication _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:40:38 -0400 From: mhuisman Subject: I've got a feeling.....a feeling I can't hide....oh no Hey again Not very much Liz content in this post.... > *strawberry fields forever* ~ anyone else in love with this > song? Of course. Definately up there with Julia, Across the Universe and Taxman as my many favorite Beatle songs:-) > Another Liz thought: She should cover some > Beatles. There are alot of Beatles fans on this list. What beatles song do you think Liz should cover??? 'Day Tripper' or 'Got to get you into my life' or 'I've got a Feeling' or 'You Never Give me your Money' or.......? Which era of the Beatles was everyones favorite?? Me, personally, my favorite was the whole Sgt. Peppers-Magical Mystery Tour era. Those were crazy times. Oh yeah, since no one else has mentioned this, Liz is mentioned breifly in the June 21 issue of People. Its for the Lilith Fair compilation and shes in a picture from Lilith Fair with Sarah Machlaclan and all the other lilith girls on stage. Beatle fans e-mail me if you want. I'd love to talk:-) Marlie ______________________________________________ 'one, two, three, four, five, six seven all good children go to heaven' -John Lennon 'You Never Give me Your MOney' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 99 22:39:05 From: "chemhalo" Subject: RE: Shane >>Shane is a guy who went to college with Liz in Ohio Anyone know which college Liz attended? I'm from Ohio, so I'd be interested in finding this out. JC ________________________________________________ Cool blue reason empties on the page Your colleagues are in prison And your enemies enraged Cool blue reason comes into your world There's two more dead in texas And it's probably your girls "Cool Blue Reason" Cake ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:12:04 PDT From: "M.L.Magdalene" Subject: I Miss The Comfort in Being Sad > I saw "Kurt and Courtney" this weekend, I was in quite a haze, but I >do >remember finding it disturbing. Kurt was truly one of the most 'human' of >all celebrities. He was true to himself and I >really >respected that about him. See, now I'm pissed... because if she really had >something to do with his death, I would hate her and want her burned at the >stake. But I like her, I sorta respect her too... and I'm proud of the way >she handles herself now. I dont know... I suppose we'll never know the >truth. It's been a while since i saw KURT and COURTNEY and even if it had been yesterday i think i was trying to figure out how green the grass was and so on so forgive me if i'm a little off base--this is one of those things that is trying to convince us that COURTNEY had this all planned out and killed KURT right--cause it was printed in HIGH TIMES it must be true--because it was printed at ALL it must be true...KURT has been dead for 5 years now and music and life may never be the same..but instead of blaming it on somebody else because it's to hard to admit that KURT would do that...why don't we just accept that KURT was just to sad...and though it fucking sucks and thoughts of hate probably ran through your blood as it did through mine...he did it to himself--but he did give us...all he had... Okay now i'm just babbling!!!! Missing The Comfort in Being Sad, M _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:13:16 -0700 From: "dana polachowski" Subject: so help me, jerry.... > I'm still puzzled that Liz hasn't at least done better at Modern Rock radio. > Hole has had three hits at that format so far from their current album, and > I don't think Liz has even had one chart there yet from WCSE (at least in > the top 20, anyway), which is surprising to me since the new album is more > accessible than her past ones, and Liz has done well there in the past with > "Supernova" and "Whip-Smart". this reminds me of a scene at a lame-ass club i went to several years ago. they were playing the stupidest music ever and i couldn't take it anymore so i marched my little fanny over to the booth and handed the guy a list i had written on a napkin. "play these songs," i said, "in this order." he looked at the list. "we can't play these," he said, handing the list back to me. "what? why not?" i asked, incredulous. "insurance purposes." "WHAT?? what are you talking about?" "well, we can't play these songs because it would start a riot..." [yes, he said a "RIOT." with a straight face, i swear.] and i thought: "your point being....?" i was also secretely and smugly thinking "see!! i know what people want!!!" (as i pathetically limped back to my....seat). anyway, what i'm trying to say is maybe if alt-radio (or modern rock, whatever...) stations played liz, the stations would be deluged with callers wanting to know who this genius is and where can they get her stuff and so on. or maybe with people freaked out and complaing "what is this crap??" they probably just don't want the hassle. can you see it?? i can. but she DOES absolutely deserve far more radio play. michael, the new guy, made a good point saying her talents merit far more attention than she gets. and "big tall man" practically screams "play me on the radio." so....(big sigh) whatever....i don't know. i don't get it. and, well, what can you say about jerry falwell? brain synapses gone amuck.... look up "big fat idiot" in the dictionary. you won't be disappointed. hey--i think a left-coast phairfest would be a gas!! but let's NOT meet in barstow... but, then again, they have some good outlet stores there, right?? hmmm.... mike in canada: you know i was just kiddin', right?? you haven't responded and i don't know if you're on vacation or whatever, but i hope you're not disgusted with me.... ughh, now i feel kind of bad.... (MrE, you are grand.) dp NP: "in the lonesome crowded west" by modest mouse (esp. the last song) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Sorlie Subject: Liz Look-alike Hello Phairies, Well just saw "The General's Daughter" and it was alright, but the chick who plays the daughter looks just like LIZ. She is a little younger ofcourse, but they could be sisters! I think her name is Leslie Stefanson and I haven't seen her in anything else before, but she's pretty good, even though she spends the whole movie either naked or dead! Check it out. **Amy** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: i believe in example i believe my throat hurts well it doesn't REALLY hurt, it just kind of tickles. I wish there was an OFFICIAL website for Liz Phair, that didn't suck (tlike the label sites do). Some official sites just rock the world, like the Beck website!! And stuff. There are many others. Alot have lyrics and photos and discographies and all kinds of fun stuff. I heard this Rolling Stones song on the radio the other day, and I thought to myself... "this would be good for Liz to cover". Unfortunately, I don't remember what song it was. But now it's led me to the idea that she should cover "Exile on Mainstreet. " I don't have this album, but it IS after all what Exile in Guyville follows song by song, so why the hell not just go ahead and cover the album? I think that ... even though Liz and Mick's voices differ greatly, her voice would totally work in place of his. Yeah, I'm known to have dreams about Liz, but the other day I had a dream ... the other night I mean... about SS, and I forget what it was, but it 's odd in itself that I dreamed about this list. Hmm. You know, I am just really uninspired to post, so I'm just going to depost now. By the way, I still don't know what the hell "dp" stands for i mean in a sick sense. I read the digests, but i must have missed that one. Oh well. Later, Nicole NP: John Lennon: "Lennon Legend" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:13:14 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: rustic girl Liz, Please put "Go On Ahead", "Love is Nothing", or "White Chocolate Space Egg" out as your next single. You need a hit. "Polyester Bride" received much less fanfare than it deserved... But the next one could do it. Another good idea: an "unplugged" type album. Like "return of girlysounds" -- something fun and pretty... Liz you are a shining star... and someday you'll be super-famous! Also-- tour with Ben Folds Five. That would be great. Thanks~ ~jaime* ~~~ "...poetry is not an expression of emotion, but an escape from emotion..." ~T.S. Eliot NP: Rustic Overtones _Rooms by the hour_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:16:37 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: cloud nine~~~~@ Just a thought~ I consider Liz to be on the same wave length as REM... Always there, always putting out great cds, but never fully mainstream. Hopefully she'll always have her current staying power (more if possible) and always put albums out -- just like REM, because they've been going on for awhile. That's it. ~jaime* ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ "Always know sometimes think its me But you know I know when its a dream I think I know, I mean, oh yes, but its all wrong, That is I think I disagree..." ~J.Lennon -- Strawberry Fields Forever ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: DP Okay I now Know what dp stands for, no one needs to tell me. I don't need ot hear it again!!! Nooooooooooooo!!! :) Later, - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:03:12 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message [Quick note: Please do not quote the entire previous digest when sending a post to the list, as it will cause your message to bounce to me. Only quote what is absolutely necessary, or compose an entirely new message. This is just common sense -- everyone will have already read the previous digest and don't really need to see it all a second time. Thanks. - JL] From: Kelly Scofield Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #180/girls Hi all! I have been on this list for a little while but never wrote in... I figured today would be good, it's my birthday... So, I would like to say that I love Liz Phair and I wanted to comment on two things... I also think she should cover the beastie boys song, girls, because it somehow reminds me of her and I think it would just be too cool... my other comment is that I don't want Liz to get major exposure just because I think it might ruin a little something... true many people know who she is, but if she was more mainstream, I think there would be people who liked her but didn't appriciate her music... take for instance Jewel... I saw her before she made it big and there was a small group of us who really liked her, she was something different... now it seems she has really lost something, fame changes people and I would hate to see Liz become commercialized. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:57:56 EDT From: Nach1120@aol.com Subject: ben folds hey, i had a friend that went to the bed folds five show the other night in chicago, and they covered chopsticks, by our very own liz. i guess he does this every so often. cool, huh? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:53:53 -0500 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Liz as a war-protest songwriter (Shane, Hello Sailor) Liz is the only singer I know to have written not one but _two_ songs about the Persian Gulf War (Kuwait, as opposed to the 1980s Iran-Iraq Gulf War). "Shane," about a conversation with a friend who was apparently scared that he'd get drafted. "I know that it was on the night that the war broke out"...not too many other wars in the early '90s. And Liz may be the only singer to have written a honest-to-goodness protest song about the Gulf War with "Hello Sailor." This is a freaking great relic of its time, with some truly scortching comments: "Hello sqailor, buy you a fuck?... Hello sailor, your pussy is showing." It's definitely in the Classic Liz style of "talking dirty to lure macho men in close enough to smack 'em." [my paraphrase of a Liz MTV-Tabitha Soren (?) interview from the early '90s]. It's not just a Gulf War song, it's a war of the sexes song too ("Free love is a whole lot of bullshit.") Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: are we having fun yet? hey all, boring old me, talking about myself again. off the topic of steven's post, does anyone have any videos (wcse or college tour, preferably) to trade? i can't trade vid-for-vid at the moment (my lazy ass has to get some cable at radio shack first), but i'll gladly reward you with some tapes...or eternal life--i'll see what i can do. sorry, don't have any burner capabilities yet (i have to fall ass-backwards into a shitload of money first), so i'm kinda stuck using antiques. shameless self-promotion...more tabs posted: jealousy (!), gunshy, girls! girls! girls!, chopsticks oh, the guilt (hey, that's a nirvana song!) ...ray NP: strange noises coming from my computer. **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:58:23 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: liz=pavement?, response to wedding ?, and HELP!!!!! I need it, lots! Jaime wrote: <> Yes, Hyphen one of our other listers will be getting married this Friday night! Congratulations and good luck to her! I was wondering if anyone out there who knows the piano, could tell me the opening note/notes to "Headache", i have been trying to figure it out on my keyboard and can not get the first note! HELP!!!! I have never seen the movie, "Stealing Beauty" and am not really a big Liv Tyler fan, so i was wondering if the song is in the movie or just at the endw/the video? So what do you Pavement phans think>? Does "Don't have Time" remind you of Pavement at all? Also, Pavement phans how were they?(that is if you saw them live recently) short post! be back later, maybe~ dp in nj NP: Sleater-Kinney- Dig Me Out ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: liz=pavement?, response to wedding ?, and HELP!!!!! I need it, lots! On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 Danaldj@aol.com wrote: > So what do you Pavement phans think>? Does "Don't have Time" remind you of > Pavement at all? > Also, Pavement phans how were they?(that is if you saw them live recently) i just went on a five day pavement road trip catching their 3 nyc shows along with their philly and d.c. shows. they were really great. playing the new album plus a good mix of old songs including summer babe. go see them. i don't think that "don't have time" sounds very much like pavement. it has a little too much melody in the vocals--although stephen malkmus is singing with a whole lot of melody on the new album. but i guess the thrashin' guitar ending sort of sounds pavement-y. but it's sort of hard for any indie rocker not to sound pavement-y. by the way did anyone catch the snide comments that stephen malkmus made in the WASHINGTON POST about liz phair? he was sort of like: her music aside, i heard she was a real pain in the ass for matador to deal with. i thought that was interesting, especially considering all of the talk about liz being a pain, like the candles and incense story from NYU. big hug. john kim email: jjk50@columbia.edu aol IM: puppechase ____________________________________________ "i don't remember lying, i don't rememeber lines, i don't remember words, but i don't care, i care, i really don't care." --S.M. reluctant voice of a generation ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:17:17 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: liz=pavement?, response to wedding ?, and HELP!!!!! I need it, lots! At 10:58 PM 6/21/1999 -0400, John Kim wrote: >by the way did anyone catch the snide comments that stephen malkmus made >in the WASHINGTON POST about liz phair? he was sort of like: her music >aside, i heard she was a real pain in the ass for matador to deal with. >i thought that was interesting, especially considering all of the talk >about liz being a pain, like the candles and incense story from NYU. I just found the article on the Washington Post website, and here's the part about Liz: The apparent immodesty of this statement is tempered by its essential accuracy -- at least in terms of loopy vision. If mere sales figures determined Matador's Beatles, Liz Phair -- with two gold albums to Pavement's zero -- would wear the floppy haircut. But she jumped to Capitol in the split. "I think everyone's happy about that at Matador, frankly," says Malkmus, wasting no grace. "Whether or not her music has any merit, I think she's just a pain in the ass and I imagine she's expensive financially to keep around. So Capitol can do their best with her. It's gonna be an uphill battle, but more unlikely people have had hits." (Don't hold back on our account, Stephen.) But then, a little controversy never hurt sales, either. If Pavement wants to play the Beatles, maybe Malkmus is the Smart One. Just thought I would post that in case anyone was interested in reading it. Cheers, Jase NP: Liz Phair, _WCSE Sessions_ (Disc Two) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:50 -0400 From: "Ginz" Subject: NYC Show Hi Everyone, My MiniDisc recording of the NYC benefit came out......"ok". A kind person on the SupSys, (aka Spt. Sytm) is transferring it to CD for me. It won't be finished for about 2 weeks, but I'll let everyone know when it's ready...... I was watching a movie channel recently, and Go West was used in the movie....I can't remember the name of the though..... I think it started with "Whereever....." or "Whenever....." It looked like a "hip" made-for-cable movie about 20-Somethings. If this is new info......I'll try to find out what the movie was called. Ginz ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #182 ************************************