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support-system-digest      Sunday, June 20 1999      Volume 02 : Number 180



                               Today's Subjects:
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  ...                                           ["MrE" <mr_e@mindspring.com>]
  baseball's beginnings:  pilgrims shagging fowls  [raymond lew <rlew@nunki.]
  Re: Liz on MTV                                          [AngelLieb@aol.com]
  "Men Wanted" E-mail error (SSD #179)         [Danielle <db327@is8.nyu.edu>]
  RE: baseball's beginnings: pilgrims shagging fowls   ["chemhalo" <chemhalo]
  flower,can't get out, rocket boy                          [Danaldj@aol.com]
  support-system-digest V2 #179                          [Grlapaluza@aol.com]
  Shane                                    ["Nicole W." <nweisber@umich.edu>]
  Liz sounding like Pavement?, her exposure, last word on Milli Vanilli  [Da]
  Liz covering BB                            [Craig King <cking4h@yahoo.com>]
  How Green Is The Grass?       ["M.L.Magdalene" <m_l_magdalene@hotmail.com>]
  THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!     ["Michael Carapella" <bj651@lafn.org>]

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:43:18 -0700
From: "MrE" <mr_e@mindspring.com>
Subject: ...

>Subject: auctions: bonus round.....
>plus other sparkling reviews!
...who the hell is this guy and why is he posting such obsolete shit?
Momus
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"A busted ship? A busted ship and I'm strapped in here?
 I had a great spot picked out out there!"  Steve Bucsemi
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: raymond lew <rlew@nunki.usc.edu>
Subject: baseball's beginnings:  pilgrims shagging fowls

hey!  i wasn't making this stuff up--i'm not that sick!  i even remembered
the guy's name:  thomas granger (please someone say that this rings a
bell).  i did a search on webcrawler...all i found was some random guy's
webpage that mentions the same bestiality stuff (it's at the bottom), but
i know it's true!  textbooks can't lie!

then dana wrote:
<<oh my fucking god...  after laughing my bony ass off i was wondering:
what history book is THIS in?? this is a *gem*. thank you...>>

history book?!?!  what kind of history classes do you take?  i learned
this stuff in sex ed.!

ugh.  it's a good thing i'm not eating breakfast today.

...ray

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"I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane.
 Isn't that what you want me to say?"
                                       --Liz Phair

the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/
beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:01:05 EDT
From: AngelLieb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Liz on MTV

Anna wrote:
"Subject: liz on mtv
I think what we should do is get the whole list to go to 
mtv online and vote for liz's video polyester bride for the 
show total request live over and over.  this way we can 
not only see her beautiful video, but we could open more 
people up to her music and her.  What do you guys think?"

	It wouldn't be possible. The Sheryl Crow list I'm on tried
this with one of her videos and did it work? NO! Even though
they say it's "Total Request," it really isn't cuz the show is
programmed already. Sooo...the idiots at MTV are guessing
what it is that we want.....all of those frickin' teeny boppers
videos, BSB and N'Sync. You get the pic, all of those 
homeboys from my area of course, can't stand them. *bleh*
It's a nice idea, but it probably won't work.

	Yo Jase! I liked your post! How long did it take you to
type that out?! You should be a journalist or something.

Katie ();)

"I want to write your name in the sky."
	- SN & TP.

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Danielle <db327@is8.nyu.edu>
Subject: "Men Wanted" E-mail error (SSD #179)

Thanks to Bob, who pointed out that my e-mail address is incorrect in the
text of my last message.  It should be db327@is8.nyu.edu.  Sorry for any
incovenience!

On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:58:01 -0400 (EDT) you wrote on Support System
>From: Danielle <db327@is8.nyu.edu>
>Subject: Men Wanted
>
>Hi!  My name is Danielle, and I'm a graduate student at NYU.  I've been
>on the list for a little over a year now.  I'm interested in doing some
>interviews with men over 18 (in NY, NJ, CT, MA, or southern NH) who listen
>to liz phair, ani difranco, or any of the other so-called "angry" young
>women musicians.  If you're interested in talking about your listening
>experiences, please e-mail me directly at db327@is.nyu.edu.  Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 99 11:38:10    
From: "chemhalo" <chemhalo@neo.rr.com>
Subject: RE: baseball's beginnings: pilgrims shagging fowls 

>>hey!  i wasn't making this stuff up--i'm not that sick!  i 
>>even remembered the guy's name:  thomas granger

Okay, I'm moving in on Nerd Patrol now. It is highly likely 
that this guy had sex with animals. He did not, however, 
found the state of Rhode Island. That was roger Williams, 
who I believe never had sex with an animal...maybe not even 
a person.

                                         JC
________________________________________________
If you really want to see me 
Check your papers and your TV
Look who's telling who what to do
Kiss my ass

                     "One Angry Dwarf"
                          Ben Folds Five
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:22:38 EDT
From: Danaldj@aol.com
Subject: flower,can't get out, rocket boy

Simple, Quick, Basic:
I have had "Rocket Boy" stuck in my head for five days straight now.
When I am at work , I sit in a  little cubby by myself at the computer all 
day and just sing the same lines quietly, but I think the girl on the other 
side of me can hear me, "Rocket BOy, rocket boyyyyyy"!!!!!!! What a great way 
to start a new job, talking to myself and singing liz songs everyday!
I was listening to the "Secretly Timid"'s version of "Flower" last nite and 
remembered what song part of it reminds me of: "Somehere Over the Rainbow" - 
and now that i think of it, part of "Chopsticks" has that da-da da-da da-da 
da-da part too.
Does anyone have any clue of what I am talking about? You know the talking 
part in "Flower"....(everytime i see your face...)
also, what is the song that "can't get out of what i'm into " is from or 
sounds like , I have been trying to put my finger on it for a while now and 
Am stumped.
Why did I get Saturday's Digest so early today? Cos of Father's Day? It was 
cool cos it didn;t have to be downloaded, though, my disk is running out of 
space!
that's it, now I have to read one, that is dated friday, eventhough I 
responded to Friday's yesterday, didn't I ?
I am soooo confused now!!!  AGGGGhhhhhhhh!

Fortunately gone,
dp in nj

NP: "Dust Bunnies" Bettie Serveert

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:42:48 EDT
From: Grlapaluza@aol.com
Subject: support-system-digest V2 #179

please delete the grlapaluza@aol.com address and send the list to 
aphra75@mindspring.com......

thanks!

alice

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nicole W." <nweisber@umich.edu>
Subject: Shane

Has anyone ever seen that western movie Shane?  I always wondered if the
song "Shane" had anything to do with the flick.  I mean, since we're on
the discussion of Shane.  I haven't seen the movie.  I'm thirsty.  K I'm
back but I realize it's later than I thought, so I gotta jet.  Oh well.

On a seperate note, it seems my relentless posting has been quite outdone
as of late by persons such as Dana P (I don't know which one), Jaime, and
Mr E.  Oh well, here's the torch, it wasn't one I was proud of bearing
anyway. 

Later,
Nicole 

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:00:57 EDT
From: Danaldj@aol.com
Subject: Liz sounding like Pavement?, her exposure, last word on Milli Vanilli

Paul Ericson wrote:
<<< I'm sure they were in a difficult situation and the reality of their 
situation 
had probably been distorted by all of the evil record execs convincing them 
that what they were doing was okay. I'm sure they weren't the ones that went 
to the record company and said, "Hey, we can kind of dance a little but we 
can't sing so how about you give us a record deal but like have other people 
sing for us in the studio and then we'll just lip sink on tour." >>>>>

I agree with these points completely, there are lots of slime balls in the 
music bis, who see pretty boys/girls that they can use to market an image and 
just tag music onto(BSB, THE NEW KIDS, IN SYNC, etc.)
that's all for the milli content cos I wanted to talk about liz anyway.

I really agreed w/a lot of Jason's points on Liz and the whole exposure 
thing, but i just want to say... I am happy with liz at her current status of 
popularity.
I like having her all to myself, in most cases.
I DON''T want to hear LIZ on Top-40 radio back to back w/Brandy, Will Smith, 
BSB, and Shania.

I Don't want to hear an elevator-instrumental version of "Flower" in the 
dentist's office.
Call me crazy!  
I don't want to go back to my high school(like that would ever happen) and go 
to the weight room , and see all the jock football players blaring and 
getting pumped to "6'1"( whatever happened to a boyfriend, the kind of guy 
who makes love cos he's in it!!)
or "Dance of the Seven Veils", ugh, Puhleeeeassssee!!!! 
Although maybe that would be kind of funny, especially if they sang the high 
parts to "Dance of 7 veils" and called themselves cunts!!!
And if WE get stumped by the words, imagine what they would think!! That , 
too, would be amusing.
Now I am not trying to offend any football players on the list that may be 
liz phans but..just to preface the jock comments, you guys don't know what 
the high school jocks are like around here, they think it is acceptable to 
sleep w/drunk girls who are passed out, i know that 's a generalization, but 
it actually happened and not just once!

Has anyone listened to "Don't Have Time" and heard any similarities to 
Pavement in this song?  I have been listening to it and have frequently 
thought how much this song reminds me of Pavement, I think it is all the 
changes in tempos.

Cheers to our fellow lister, Hyphen, who is getting married this Friday and 
is playing Liz at her wedding!!!! And not only is she playing Liz, she is 
playing Divorce Song!!  Isn't that ironic or just plain funny?!

one last thing, Jamie from Maine: You are a BAD influence on me, I was 
thinking about this last nite when i was........

That's all folks!
dp in nj

NP: Whip Smart, again

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig King <cking4h@yahoo.com>
Subject: Liz covering BB

>>I just metanother 
fellow Liz phan(it's always so much fun)and i was telling her about
thelist 
and we decided that in addition to us covering it we really thing
Lizshould 
cover that Beastie Boys song..and i'm not really sure what the name
ofit is 
but i do believe it's on "License to Ill" and it's like...GIRLS..all i 
really want is GIRLS...anyways..i think it would be totally bad ass
ofLiz 
to do that....<<

I think this is a great idea!  BTW, the song you are refering to is
actually called "Girls".  Personally I'd like to see her cover "No
Sleep Till Brooklyn" doing a kinda Debbie Harry-"Rapture" style rap on
the song.  Another song I'd love to see Liz cover is "Call Me" by
Blondie.  I think that song would fit perfectly with Liz.

Craig "AdRock"
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:10:02 PDT
From: "M.L.Magdalene" <m_l_magdalene@hotmail.com>
Subject: How Green Is The Grass?

>ani IS amazing, especially live, and anyone who wants to try her out for
>the first time should definitely start with 'living in clip,' her live
>double-disc album.

I would be inclined to compltely and totally agree.  That is what i started 
out on..i can even remember the first time i heard Ani...what song it 
was...where i was...what the room smelled like..but that just goes back to 
me being totally friggin OBSESSED!

Oh and who-ever said we should all request Poleyster Bride for TRL--fucking 
brilliant idea--

Where the Grass is Greener,

M


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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:28:18 -0700
From: "Michael Carapella" <bj651@lafn.org>
Subject: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

>Michael Carapella wrote:
<<Toured relentlessly?  I just started following her career but I have not
seen any evidence that she toured relentlessly to support WCSE>>

>Are you kidding me? Not touring relentlessly for WCSE? She started
w/Lilith 
>in the summer , then went right into the WCSE tour in the fall, then 
>continued by touring w/Alanis in January and Feb.,then started a college
tour 
>in MArch thru MAy and is doing Lilith again this summer- that's
practically a 
>year on the road!!!!!! 

Hey, glad to be wrong on this one.  As I wrote, I just started following
her career a couple of weeks ago and I hadn't "seen any evidence."   Thanks
to you and Jason in V2 #178 for filling in the blanks.  The few web sites I
had checked tour dates on just showed the end of her college tour with a
few East Coast dates. I was very excited to hear she was doing Lilith Fair,
only to be disappointed when I discovered that she was only playing three
dates--all within a stones throw of her house!  (OK, I'm exaggerating a
little).  Relentless might not be the right word--there are plenty of acts
logging 200+ gigs per year on the road, but I know that's not, and probably
shouldn't be, Liz.  And you're right, if you count in all the non-gig promo
stuff she did, she was quite busy!

>I think what we should do is get the whole list to go to mtv online and
>vote for liz's video polyester bride for the show total request live
>over and over.  this way we can not only see her beautiful video, but we
>could open more people up to her music and her.  What do you guys think?

>anna

Count me in.  I don't see MTV all that much.  I can't stop watching that
confounded Behind the Music on VH1!  Just tell me what I have to do and
when.

And Paul, I'm with you on Milli Vanilli.  I could care less about their
act, but when you see how the whole thing unfolded, it is sad.

>As for Liz, had WCSE been released in June, I do believe that it would
have
>fared much better, especially initially. The release would have coincided
>with the first of Liz's Lilith Fair dates, at which she played a number of
>songs from the album. The thing was, if the audience had liked the songs
>they had heard at the shows, they couldn't go out and get them any time
>soon, since the album hadn't been released, and the time it was, they
likely
>would have forgotten about it.

Ugh!  When I read this my heart just sank.  What a critical mistake!  You
are completely right.  I recently got into a band called Ednaswap (horrible
name, great band--now defunct.  Best known for penning the Natalie
Imbruglia hit, "Torn").  After seeing them open for Better than Ezra, I
went out and bought the latest CD.  If it wasn't available then, I almost
surely would have forgotten about it.

Thank you very much for the thorough and well-written overview, especially
the sales figure.  Being a new admirer of her music, it was just what I was
looking for.

- -Michael

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