From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #174 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bad traders ["April Haitsuka" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #173 ["Tim Sanderlin" ] whoah [jeF kearns ] the witch hunt [JLD4125269@aol.com] ss [Paul Erickson ] Deserving a spot on Hard Rock Cafe's wall.... [AngelLieb@aol.com] janet [DarkSide oftheMoon ] replies [Katie Brown ] Chicago Liz Phest; Kansas City ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Nicole's coming up roses, new thread ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Urban Legend ["M.L.Magdalene" ] Cool, tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious [saylerja ] Re: ss [Paul Erickson ] Re: ss [Paul Erickson ] re: dave matthews [peterpan andthepirates ] Austin Powers taking over the world [AngelLieb@aol.com] my band-aid offering ["Jaime" ] Live Stuff ["Ginz" ] phairities,cool liz experiences,sessions at west 54th [Danaldj@aol.com] Re: phairities,cool liz experiences,sessions at west 54th [Jason Long ] FWD: Message posted to incorrect list address [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:47:49 -0700 From: "April Haitsuka" Subject: Re: bad traders This is really getting out of hand. I'm glad Janet got a chance to speak for herself. As far as this missive goes ... >the story: >seems that ash had found a quantity of 'Lucky Liz 99' multimedia cd-roms at >some swap meet and acquired the entire lot with the idea of re-selling them >at cost plus postage for a total of $18.20. and the rest is just as you are >thinking...rippeth offeth. After sifting through the pretentious "poetry," I gather that MrE a) is pissed off because he hasn't received his CD-ROM yet and b) was even more incensed that the seller is profiting from the sales To address the first issue, I've made transactions with Ash and have not had any complaints. I don't sit by the mailbox and count the days, but I received the item involved within a reasonable amount of time. As far as the selling issue is concerned ... discussion can go on ad infinitum. All I can say is ... let the buyer beware. Anyone who's informed knows that people will do free trades when asked. I always research the market before putting down money, especially eBay ... where people pay outrageous prices for things. You can't stop the sellers unless the buyers seek out the information themselves. It's not hard to find Liz Phair fan sites on the Web, and almost all of them give you info on subscribing to SS ... and some of them list their live show and interview collections for trade. And Mike from Canada's currency dilemma ... I would give Janet the benefit of the doubt. I know I don't make international financial transactions everyday (and most of the rest of the list members probably don't either) ... so the acceptance of foreign currency is something that I wouldn't know or think to look up. (I did check and found out that my bank can accept foreign checks, which are cashed at the current exchange rate ... but it's generally not encouraged.) While I don't mind the discussion about people not trading fairly, the tone of the messages has been more irrate and snarky than is really necessary. April ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:53:42 +0000 From: "Tim Sanderlin" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #173 Subject: Re: Record Stores >How do CDNOW and Columbia House fit into such an ethic.... who should I buy >from if want to offer the most possible support to the artist. Any thoughts >on this? Artists don't receive less money from internet sales of their recordings... but in some cases the record company makes MORE money off these sales... Because of that, it would make sense that the artist should recieve a percentage of the increase in profit... But because it makes sense and because it would be the right thing to do, a vast majority of record companies won't even think about thinking about it!! > although in my opinion, you'd be better off going to your local >indie retailer and supporting them. Many indie record shops already >have a tough time competing against the chain stores and it's likely >only going to get harder for them. While they don't have the >financial resources to have the same selection as your local Tower >store, they're usually more than happy to order whatever you're >after if it's not in stock, and since such stores don't have the >same high overhead as a chain outlet, they can usually sell it to >you cheaper. RIGHT ON!! support anyone who is willing to be personable about the music you purchase!! Indie retailers are also where you'll find releases from local and regional bands and artists... Buy those recordings if you like the band... If you don't like them, or have never heard of them, ask someone who works there... chances are they will give you an honest opinion of the quality of the record (unless the person who works there happens to be in the band.. LOL) and you may find a new artist whose music you can really enjoy! Sorry, more non-Liz content, but I've noticed a few Luscious Jackson fans on the list.. I just saw the first video from their new album - due out June 29 - and it rocks!! It has that hip-swingin' quality that a lot of Liz songs have... really looking forward to the release! Later kids!! Tim... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:57:54 -0400 From: Isha Leigh Subject: a little more liz NYC I also attended the benefit and had such a good time! I wish I were rich and could run off to these things all the time. I drank too much and danced silly and got to be closer to liz than necessary (possible?). I could have reached out and touched her if I had lost more of my inhibitions. I was with my friend mike in a green suit (giant pickle) and I somehow ended up in a matching green dress, so we were a little umm conspicuous. I don't know what to say that hasn't been said about Liz playing already except her fingers seem to fit so well on her guitar. It kinda surprised me because I imagined her having to strain a little to get certain configurations. I must just have short fingers and less talent. I also talked to a guy who was taking professional type pictures at the show. I think he might be willing to give me copies of the ones he took. I'll share with you guys once things are arranged. Thank you very much, Ginz for the water bottle. I really hope that was Liz's and not someone else's! I'll tell you if I start to break out in any funny measles. Allison- I have the handbill, but I think you'd be better off using one of the scanned images of it and printing it on nice paper from someone's expensive printer. I'm not sure it would come out well color copied on most of the machines I've used and the handbill feels fragile somehow. I don't even want to expose it to light! It's silly, I know. anyone- what's up with the Liz clock at ebay? Who in their right mind would think up something like that? I think we should start reporting come of the sillier things to ebay as illegal stuff. Just the things that are blatantly ripping off others like the tapes of KEN'S CDs. Also, I'm looking for a copy of the wellesly show if anyone would be kind enough to copy for me.. so i can sell it at ebay for forty bucks (j/k) - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:00:34 PDT From: jeF kearns Subject: whoah Hey. I hate to get into the middle of this, but Jaime did apologize for possibly jumping the gun on labelling you as a bad trader (In my opinion you should have quietly accepted the apology, defended yourself from the "bad trader" insinuation by stating you were busy ... instead of using it as an excuse to chide somebody for something already apologized for). Plus, what gives you the right to send the personal message Jaime gave you, to the whole list? Especially since you were just complaining about things you consider personal (i.e. the state you live in) being revealed to the list? I don't see the big deal about people knowing your state anyway (it's not like your home address). In your defense, i do realize that people get unexpectedly busy. Maybe you should have sent out a mass emailing out to the people you owed tapes to stating that the trade would be delayed. It wouldn't have taken that long. I hope this whole ordeal does not create friction between list members. Be Well, jeF. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:37:58 EDT From: JLD4125269@aol.com Subject: the witch hunt Dear Mike, You can't cash American checks in Canada? I didn't know that. I've been waiting for it to clear for the longest time! I was wondering if you had lost it and were just too embarrassed to ask for another. Why on earth didn't you just send me a note? I happily would have sent you cash -- in fact I was just in Canada and would have kept some Canadian cash to send to you. I sent you a check because I thought that would be the safest and easiest. - -Janet Dear Support System Members, I just wanted to let you know that I won't be making any more tapes for any one else on this list that I don't know. I offered to make tapes of Girlysounds (or anything else I have) for anyone from this list because I was so enraged by seeing people pay lots of money for copies at eBay. These people are ripping Liz off by supporting bootleggers. I love Liz and her music and have never asked for a dime, except that folks send me blanks and a self-addressed stamped envelope, and BE PATIENT. (If you don't understand this, post to the list that you will copy Liz stuff for free for anyone who wants it. Watch your mailbox fill up. Making tapes doesn't take very long. But filling lots of orders with decent-sounding copies takes a while, esp. when you have other obligations that take you other places most of the day.) I don't mind. But part of my original post did say that you would agree to not sell any copies I made for you and that you would be patient. (I knew the number of requests would be large.) Additionally, I am tired of reading what a horrible person I am. If you have a gripe or problem with me, please e-mail me personally. This group hysteria is sick. I would hope that the members of this list are mature enough to handle a problem with someone else on this list privately. I have not threatened anyone, nor meant anyone any harm. I was trying to help some of you out! I don't care to rip anyone off, esp. not for blank tapes. Come on, people. Jeez. I have already filled a large number of requests for GS (and other stuff) and still have about 12 more to go. I hope to have the rest of these finished within the next two weeks. If you have not received anything and haven't heard from me in awhile, don't worry. I haven't forgotten you. In fact - e-mail me, if you like! As mentioned in my last post, there has been a lot going on recently, and things had been put on hold for awhile. And I've been where you are...waiting...wondering. But just send me an e-mail. I will get back to you! But please, lay off the Janet-bashing. I don't understand it, and I definitely don't understand what good can come of it. I didn't figure this to be such a hateful, uncompassionate and ungrateful group. I know everyone on this list isn't that way -- and I appreciate the notes of support I have received. Thank you. As for the rest of you, I hate to say it, but from now on I won't be the one to help you out. Find some other sucker to rip on ... or go pay some God-awful amount for a crappy copy from eBay. - -Janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:00:56 PDT From: Paul Erickson Subject: ss Everyone, please stop refering to this list as SS. I hate that. Thanks. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:03:28 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Deserving a spot on Hard Rock Cafe's wall.... First, Mike, I feel your pain with your first concert! My sister went to see Milli Vanilli as her first concert too! It was her and a bunch of friends who went, along with a chaperone. I was eight at the time I think and didn't go. Anyways, a Liz content. I went out for lunch at Hard Rock Cafe' yesterday. Great restaurant, music too loud, too much Greatful Dead and no Fleetwood Mac?!?! Ohki...my thoughts in the meantime is I think Liz deserves to have a spot on the wall at one of the Hard Rocks. Another thing that leaves me puzzled with everything they had is are they all real? I saw an autographed picture of John Lennon addressed to Hard Rock and I can only imagine that Hard Rock didn't exist when John was still alive. Till Tuesday, I didn't get an album. The only thing they had was a greatest hits cd and I'm so awful with my money of course, had to remind myself to have enough money to buy Sarah McLachlan's Mirror Ball tomorrow. We're all a slave when it comes to buying new cds huh? Get a free three song cd if you're one of the so and so number customers! woo hoo! Mucho hugs and spaceeggs, Katie ();) NP: annoying washing machine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:37:02 PDT From: DarkSide oftheMoon Subject: janet I think this is the same Janet...I just got this e-mail from her today..before I read my ss post... I mailed out the Liz flats mmmmmm about 1-1 1/2 months ago so its taken awhile for her to mail out my tapes, actually I almost forgot about them....But damn Jamie, lets lighten up on her and not be too quick to judge...we all get busy.... I don't know how many times I said I was gonna mail out the flats I had but something came up or I just got lazy.....so maybe I was considered a slacker by some, but I did eventually get them out. Peace out, DarkSide oftheMoon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:37:03 PDT From: Katie Brown Subject: replies Sandra B wrote: >katiebrown and other Famers: tidbit: know Montgomery? >the gay redheaded kid? add 20 years, shave his head >and throw some scrubs on him, and he’s Dr. Romano on >ER. For real. I LOVE Mongomery... Is it okay if I call you mine? great fame-type sappy song. I'll have to check out ER for some Montgomery action. Sandra B also wrote: > >Boston people, didn’t Liz play Elvis’s “Allison” at >.... Avalon? am I right? does anyone have a full >recording of that show? Justin? This was 11-30 at Avalon, WFNX's Birthday party, it was "invite only" so not many fans were there - Nicole, Lani and I were the only listers there that I know of... She did Allison and wore Ric's Elvis-Costello-type glasses. It was amazing!!! I remember writing Allison(DaisyFoo)about it later. I took a really good picture of her singing Allison, it is up on both Ken's and Jenny's sites. A copy of this show still has not been found. The station itself didn't record it. Tracy Bonham opened that night - she *wailed* on that violin! Jaime wrote: > > Thank you Janet in MI for making me realize that sleaze-balls >listen > >to liz phair too, and you cant trust everyone. I hope you get booted from > >the list then Jase wrote: >I'm sorry, but Janet is one of the sweetest people I've met, and I really >don't like seeing any unfair allegations made about her character. > > >Jase here here, Jase! Janet is awesome and does not deserved to be bashed for being busy. talk about karma! SHEEE-it. I'm sending you good vibes, Janet. later katiebrown _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:45:41 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Chicago Liz Phest; Kansas City Greetings fellow Digesters... I'm back from lurking, and offering apologies beforehand -- this message is long, and long overdue. I'm the original "planner" of the Chicago Liz Phest, July 9-10-11 (meaning, I jokingly suggested it last December, and then when lots of people were seriously interested, I kind of became the planner). Sorry for the long delay in bringing you all up to speed. Here's the deal. There are still a handful of people interested in doing this, and I've saved all your messages. However, I don't live in Chicago, and am not even very familiar with the city (although I've been there a couple of times). I originally had 3 key people helping out with plans: 1) someone who was scouting out hotels 2) someone who was scouting out bars/clubs where we could do a Liz open-mike night or something 3) someone who was trying to get us a tour of the studio where Liz recorded EIG. After Liz's March show at the Lounge Ax, I learned that 2 of these people wouldn't be able to attend Liz Phest in July. I then asked another list member for an honest assessment of whether there was still interest in doing the Liz Phest. His response: several people who were originally gung-ho for Liz Phest travelled to Chicago for the Lounge Ax performance instead -- using up their money, vacation time, ambition, etc. The March Lounge Ax show kind of "stole the thunder" of the July Liz Phest. On top of that, I was going to coordinate some very informal activities (a tour of Liz's former haunts, hanging out with the group, etc.) with another list member friend -- but I don't see us being able to team up for this. And as I mentioned many months ago, I'm really too busy to single-handedly head this up. I work full-time, am President of a statewide nonprofit organization and serve on the board of another, have to travel a lot this summer already, and just don't have the time or resources to devote to organizing this. So, to make a long story short, there has been no progress. I've been holding off posting this to the list, hoping that my list member friend and I can still team up to coordinate (and thus I would proceed with organizing and attending Liz Phest), but that hasn't happened. I know this will probably be disappointing news to a lot of people on the list. ***BUT,*** this absolutely doesn't mean that those who are interested can't still get together in Chicago that weekend. As Meredith proved with her DCPhest, it's just a matter of picking a time/place, meeting up, and going off to do fun things together. Maybe someone else will step up (hopefully a Chicago local) and take the reins. At least I started a good idea... ~~~~~~~~~~ On a different note: are there any list members in Kansas City, MO? I'm going to be there for a conference this week, by myself, and I'll have time to kill this weekend (June 18-19). I should have posted this sooner, as I'm sure I won't hear from anyone before I leave -- but if you want to hang out, call me at the Kansas City Ritz-Carlton. I'd like to check out some blues clubs, etc. Thanks in advance! Keeping a positive outlook... or trying to, anyway. Hurricane Cindy NP: Verbow, Chronicles (from the Library's treasured vaults) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:39:29 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Nicole's coming up roses, new thread Hey all, Sorry to post 2x in one day, especially after my last one was so long -- but as The Cranberries say, "everybody else is doing it, so why can't we?" (Or I?) I had to reply to Nicole's theatre question... theatre is what keeps me so busy, besides my job. Nicole asked: <<...and while I was looking through the catalog of songs, I saw one called "Everything's coming Up Roses" by Ethel Merman...>> <> "Everything's Coming Up Roses" is a song from the musical "Gypsy." Ethel Merman played the mother of 1940s stripper Gypsy Rose Lee in both the original Broadway show and the movie version. And yes, I believe Liz was thinking specifically of this song when she borrowed its title phrase for "Elvis Be True." Good for you, Nicole, gettin' up there and singing karaoke! Lots of people won't do it. But I love it, although they usually have a shitty selection of songs to pick from. Here's a new thread: what weird, fun songs have you karaoke-sung in front of a crowd? For me, it's: Walking After Midnight (Patsy Cline -- don't laugh!) Me & Bobby McGee (I do a great Janis Joplin version, but this was the Kristofferson version, different tempo and all, so I screwed it up royally) Endless Love (again, don't laugh! I did my best Diana Ross, to my duet partner's best Lionel Richie... found out later that he is a fairly well-known, recorded vocalist. Yikes! Glad I didn't know it beforehand, I'd have been too nervous to sing with him). Hurricane Cindy Theatre Trivia Maven NP: The Sundays, Reading, Writing & Arithmetic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:34:15 PDT From: "M.L.Magdalene" Subject: Urban Legend To whoever it was that couldn't remember what the movie was called with jared leto, the red-headed girl from Cybill, and the Noxema girl in it was called--it was Urban Legends M "I called her up and i said you know that i'm drowning put on your raincoat again cause even the sun's got a price on it and there's something believin in her voice again said there's something believin instead of just leavin" - -Tori Amos _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:49:42 -0500 From: saylerja Subject: Cool, tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious Cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious is not listed in yahoo!! yay! please stop by and take my new poll! jenny - --Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious." - -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:48:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Sine Ziegler Subject: Cash & trades Mike Marlatt, you should have just asked for US cash. I know I'd rather have American money in my pockets than Canadian. Then you can save it for next time you want to order something from the US. Or Open a US bank account at Canada Trust. Or... as you prolly are going to do, screw the five bucks ( = $8 ). Ppl getting angry and jumping to conclusions .. aye ye ye. Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? If you cant handle dealing with other people in this bigsmall trade business on SS, then simply go to a LIZ FTP site and download your MP3's. And speaking of which. Does anyone have a Carnivore MP3 available? Sadly, my first concert was The Smashing Pumpkins. Why sad you ask? Because that was in the 12th grade and it was also my last paying concert. I don't think free concerts on campus count. And as for the ppl in college having no choice but to use PINE. I sympathise with you. You CAn still use mail drop on netscape but if your connection is slow, forget it. HAPPY FLAG DAY Sine Ziegler roughly... The things I have to do would make a slut blush blue. Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:19:40 PDT From: Paul Erickson Subject: Re: ss I don't mean to piss anyone off, but SS reminds me of Nazi Germany and that's why I think we should find another abbreviation. Regards, Paul. <> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:00:56 PDT, Paul Erickson wrote: >> Everyone, please stop refering to this list as SS. I hate that. >> Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:32:16 PDT From: Paul Erickson Subject: Re: ss I don't mean to piss anyone off, but SS reminds me of Nazi Germany and that's why I think we should find another abbreviation. Regards, Paul. <> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:00:56 PDT, Paul Erickson wrote: >> Everyone, please stop refering to this list as SS. I hate that. >> Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:02:06 GMT From: peterpan andthepirates Subject: re: dave matthews Jaime wrote:"My old roommate in college (Ms. In-bed-at-eight-pm-everynight) loved DM... she also hated Liz Phair (Liz didnt pump her up enough for a field hockey game) so... I decided to hate DM-- simply because it would be easy. If I hear "what would you say" ever again--- my brain will explode and I pity the person next to me." I love this! You should have pumped your roomate full of hockey sticks! I believe that to like Dave Matthews, you must be an overly happy, wealthy, "pumped" or "psyched" yuppie or yuppie in training. Obviously, I don't like the DM. That's all... I am just sitting here watching SNL, Sheryl Crow is supposed to be on. I heard her version of Sweet Child o' mine. I admire her for covering it, most people would find it too "lame", but I will take the G'n R version anyday over hers. Hers would have been even better if she had left the "she"s instead of changing them to "he"s.No Liz content, as usual. - - -Stephanie ey stephanie. i don't think for one to like dm one " must be an overly happy, wealthy,"pumped" or "psyched" yuppie or yuppie in training. because i am neither and i like dave matthews. so one should not genearlize. if you dont like the music its different but forone to say things like that one has to be..... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:38:27 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Austin Powers taking over the world I dunno why and I know this has no Liz content at all, but I had this floating around in my head all day today: "Who does MrE work for?" You know? The part where Austin is in the bathroom asking who does #2 work for? Oh well...my mom's bouncing up and down about this info and figured, what the hell? Should announce it to 900+ people. What's so exciting about it anyways? I've been nominated for Who's Who Among American High School Students. Yay! Yippy! Free money yeah! *dancing in a zombie zoo* Katie ();) NP: Tom Petty live in Gainesville - 11/93 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:36:17 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: my band-aid offering Support System and Janet-- I would like to ask everyone who reads Support System to please disregard everything I said in SS #172. I made the mistake of putting that horse before its carriage. I know there really isnt much else I can say, except, I am sorry Janet. I got a few emails from people saying they were having similar problems trading with you and I guess I just got upset. Soon after Jason emailed me, and made a point that passed me over completely ("she might be ill") and when I read that... I felt awful. Because you could have been, how was I to know? I am very sorry that I was so inconsiderate, it is inexcusable. Janet, I wouldn't dream of asking you to forgive me... because you shouldn't, but I would like to ask you to look at it from my point of view. I was just looking out for everyone, that's all. I see your point of view, you were busy... and if only I had emailed you sooner... well, this whole thing would cease to exist. I am very sorry, and if I can make this up to you, let me know... I am really a nice person who didn't look before I leaped. I am sorry I landed on you Janet, you didn't deserve it. and so it goes... ~jaime* ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ "Always know sometimes think its me But you know I know when its a dream I think I know, I mean, oh yes, but its all wrong, That is I think I disagree..." ~J.Lennon -- Strawberry Fields Forever ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:38:40 -0400 From: "Ginz" Subject: Live Stuff I was just on the Yahoo! celebtiry chat with Beth Orton. I asked several questions....including "Are you scared of Liz Phair?" That question was not chosen....even though she answered "What's your favorite cereal?" Anyway, she did answer one of my questions, "How do you feel about fans recording your performances?" She responed.... "It would really piss me off, why???" "I don't like the idea." Just found that interesting, Ginz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:46:13 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: phairities,cool liz experiences,sessions at west 54th oh, sooo much to write , I don;t even know where to start.. well, i went away for the weekend, started a new job and continued to have car problems so i have not had time to even read the digests since wed. i just finished reading everything wed-mon and i have lots of comments.. here goes.. Like many others.. Thanks to sara, Allison and mike for their accounts of that awesome night! i am sooo mad at myself for being a tightwad and not shelling out all that money, i have been trying to get a liz station ID since october to no avail, that would have been a great opportunity.. and also just to get to talk to liz!!!!!!! Damn, I am soooo jealous!!! except i don';t really want to meet her, cos when i meet musicians i often clam up and get nervous, sound like an idiot and can't even be coherent! I am soo happy you took the time to let us know what we missed, cos if i had gone i would have made a massive post to, i am a sucker for details! anyway, i didn;t know aimee mann was in the big lebowski? cool. also,,, allison mentioned she is gonna release "can't get out of what i 'm into"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is soooooo fucking awesome! i just received (thurs) "secretly timid" from Hyphen (fellow lister and liz obsessee) and i think that is absoutely one of my favorite all time songs!! it is such an awesome song, i wanted to play it on the air today, but didn;t have confidence in my editing abilities... and then , hyphen came into the station again today and brought me more liz goodies!!!! She is such an angel!!!! she brought me phairities and shelved demos+videos from rosie and 120 min!!! she rocks! and i am so pyshced cos i am listening to phairities and all of my questions about liz and her adoption, her brother, etc are all answered on the KCRW interview! This is great!!! i have a question for anyone out there... i really like Ben lee and always wondered who sang back-up on his song "Pop Queen" and when Hypehn brought me Secretly Timid , i noticed the ben lee song "away w/the pixies" and it said liz on back-up, did she do back-up on "pop queen" and others as well, and how did that come about and what was the site for the interview w/ ben and liz.. i really want to read it. ok, i am once again being booted from AOL, what's up with that!!!!! of course, now that i remember all the other things i wanted to mention... so i will post again in a bit.. sessions info to come, i promise!! dp in nj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:28:12 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: phairities,cool liz experiences,sessions at west 54th Just a couple of quick responses to dp in nj's post... >she brought me phairities and shelved demos+videos from rosie and 120 min!!! >she rocks! and i am so pyshced cos i am listening to phairities and all of my >questions about liz and her adoption, her brother, etc are all answered on >the KCRW interview! This is great!!! Actually, the KCRW interview was not part of the original Phairities compilation that I put together. The tape I compiled contained only songs, and while some of them were performances from radio broadcasts, I didn't contain any interview material. Is there another compilation in circulation with the same title? If so, what all is on it? If anyone wants, I can post the track list for the original, once I dig it up out of my archives. >i have a question for anyone out there... i really like Ben lee and always >wondered who sang back-up on his song "Pop Queen" and when Hypehn brought me >Secretly Timid , i noticed the ben lee song "away w/the pixies" and it said >liz on back-up, did she do back-up on "pop queen" and others as well, and how >did that come about and what was the site for the interview w/ ben and liz.. >i really want to read it. Rebecca Gates of the Spinanes did the backing vocals on "Pop Queen." The only song Liz sang on was "Away With The Pixies". For the record, the Spinanes are amazing, and their last record, _Arches and Aisles_ was one of my favorites from last year. I would definitely recommend it to anyone on the list, as I think a lot of people here would really enjoy it. I'm a complete sucker for Rebecca's voice on a lot of the songs -- it's really inviting, warm and sensual. She also has a knack for off-kilter arrangements and a solid melodic sensibility. If anyone's interested in hearing a few samples of songs from the album, CDnow has some clips up on their site. While the quality of the RealAudio ones is quite poor and doesn't do the songs justice, they have a few mp2 files as well, which are much better. All you need is Windows Media Player or another program capable of playing them, and since the clips are fairly short, they don't take long to load. Jase NP: The Spinanes, _Arches and Aisles_ (an album I can't talk about without wanting to listen to it) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:35:51 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Message posted to incorrect list addresss [Just a quick reminder: Please send all posts for the list to , NOT or any other variation. Thanks. - JL] From: "MrE" Subject: y107 A Public Service Announcement stuck in los angeles? can't find an indecent radio station? try the new y107! cereally though, recently heard artists include concrete blonde, sleater-kinney and the before now unheard in lost angels, liz phair. most of the good stuff is played 'after hours' but the daytime tunes are usually palatable. requests can be made and actually considered on their website: y107atwhateverblahblahbalh. Momus ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "A busted ship? A busted ship and I'm strapped in here? I had a great spot picked out out there!" Steve Bucsemi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:39:29 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: FWD: Message posted to incorrect list address From: "MrE" Subject: send them all to turkey for ritual appendage removal.... >Most major labels have added what's called a new technology deduction >clause to the contracts they offer bands. What it does is subtract 15 >percent to 25 percent of the royalty rate of 12 percent to 13 percent >that a new band receives for each record sold. >The labels maintain that the clause is necessary because of the costs >of Internet-related technology. This rationale seems strange because >the distribution of music on the Internet is supposed to save record >labels money in CD manufacturing, packaging and shipping costs. is this for real? i know that cdnow-and-then, amazing.com and all the rest of the ali baba and the forty thousand internet music retailers could care less if they get my measly little order, and it doesn't even concern me that the bands 'lose' (most of them did sign the contract without any influence from suge knight), what steams my clams is simply the sanctioned thievery involved! is everyone in bidness (please contact the reverend jesse jackson with all enunciation tips) so self-absorbed that they are willing to sacrifice society for a couple of inflated dollars (canadian or otherwise)? and just who do we contact that does not have some vested interest in this pyramid scheme? i think i'll just fire off a hot e to...my mother? Momus `` Saw you stretched out in room Ten oh nine with a smile on your face And a gleam right in your eye--- Thought i heard one Sigh for you... ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ``````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:10:17 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: sessions at west 54th, milli vanilli!!! oh i am so sorry! ok , I do Not want to come off as a music snob, but Milli Vanilli!!!! Someone mentioned that their first concert was milli vanilli Come on, I am sorry , i know everyone has embarassing moments and maybe you were young, but i was in 6th or 7th grade when they came out and my friends and i were mocking them , big time!! i know i sound rude, but remember, i am sooo damn cool that i went to a cure concert in 7th grade! someone else saw the same tour in CA, was that your first too? i can' t remember and am too lazy to check, well, i recently uncovered a tape from the show that i went to , it was on two tapes though cos it was a really long show.. i remember the pixies, love&rockets and shellyan orpahn who are pretty cool by the by, they were all on and it was still light out and the cure came on when it was getting dark and they finished around 11 or 11:30 they played for about 3 hours!! how cool, wouldn';t you all just LOVE to see liz play for 3 hours!!!!! i would probably pee in my pants from excitement! sessionsatwest54th.com - that is the website to check out- it was down ro just wacky for a while, but i checked it before and it is ok now, well LIZ WILL BE ON SESSIONS AGAIN on JULY 3 AND IF YOU CHECK OUT THE SITE , you can find the radio station in your area that it should be simulcast on ... in NYC area it is (not my station) 90.7 WFUV. just thought you'd all like to know. i am working on dubbing my bootelg of it.. it's a pretty raw recording though. ok, i think that is all for now i reall ycan';t remember what else i wanted to say.. oh yeah, someone mentioned aimee mann and got a million responses, ijust recently bought "i'm with stupid" which is pretty good, i think sandra asked which one the other person was getting , which would you recommend? that's the hot rock. dp in nj NP: Phairities!!! p.s. congrats again to the nyc benefit crew on their awesome experience! i am sure that you are happy you shelled out the bucks, hell i wish i had, and i know i would have felt it was well spent! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:00:04 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: whoops! Whoops, I goofed. Rosalind Russell played Mama Rose in the movie version of "Gypsy," not Ethel Merman. Just thought I'd correct myself before someone else did. That is all. Hurricane Cindy NP: nothing, tape ended a long time ago ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #174 ************************************