From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #172 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, June 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Til Tuesday and Cure shows ["Stephanie Morris" ] to interpretation [sandra ] more about Janet and other crimes ["Jaime" ] 4:20 or 5:14... ? ["Jaime" ] being ripped off by Janet in MI ["Jaime" ] Re: being ripped off by Janet in MI [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] i can't, i can't believe it [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] welll......ummmmmm [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:49:58 -0700 From: "Stephanie Morris" Subject: Til Tuesday and Cure shows "So, with my search for Aimee Mann, I came up with Till Tuesday. Old '80s band or something cuz on the cover everyone had those punk hairdos. My fave indie store didn't have any of Aimee's cd of course, not surprised. I'm used to the wait." Now I feel really old. Til' Tuesday was a band that Aimee Mann used to sing with, they had a big hit "Voices Carry" I can't remember what year it came out, 1986 or so... Aimee was also in uh... what was the movie... she had a broken foot or something. Ugh! Amnesia! Help me someone! "oh yeah...my first concert(by choice) AWESOME LINE-UP: THE CURE (Disintegration tour) w/ Love and rockets The Pixies!! and Shellyan Orphan- August 20, 1989! I will never forget it , even though i had nosebleeds! and dad chaperoned!" My first concert was the same tour- September 9, 1989 Oakland, CA... no Pixies though, or Love and Rockets. I would have loved to have seen both bands. We just had Shellyan Orphan. The Cure really put on a good show, and of course my friend and I were in love with Robert and Simon. No chaperones fortunately. Aaahh... the memeories. I still have my tour program, no shirt though. Anyway, no Liz content, and i don't have a soundtrack to my life. I used to watch MSCL every Thurs. though, I was a junior in college! Ugh! It was a ritual, we would have dinner, get stoned,and watch the show. I still love Jared Leto (Jordan Catalano) What a hottie. My friend and I even saw his lame movies PRefontaine and Switch Back, and of course the horror one that had Noxema and that red haired girl from Cybill... ugh, more amnesia. WHat the hell was that movie called? Off to try to regain my memory... - -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: sandra Subject: to interpretation Katie, Til Tuesday was the band Aimee Mann was in in the 80s, yes. they had a huge hit with Voices Carry (anyone remember that video? so funny -- He said: SHUT UP! He said: SHUT UP!) Coming Up Close was another cool song. freshman year in high school we had a freaking contest to get Til Tuesday to play at our high school. (Maybe it was a Boston thing, since Aimee’s from Boston?) All we had to do was write Til Tuesday + something or other on the most index cards. I must have written out five hundred cards at least. Teachers would let us spend classes doing that. no kidding. My high school was winning for weeks, but someone else ultimately pulled ahead. Liz and Meg Ryan ... yes, I see the resemblance ... both so cute in that same way ... I think it’s in the smile. katiebrown and other Famers: tidbit: know Montgomery? the gay redheaded kid? add 20 years, shave his head and throw some scrubs on him, and he’s Dr. Romano on ER. For real. Boston people, didn’t Liz play Elvis’s “Allison” at ... Avalon? am I right? does anyone have a full recording of that show? Justin? Allison, Sara, and Ginz, thanks so much for your show reviews. Especially Allison, who must have taken a good hour to type all that. great info. (but I hope she's not starting to be anti-bootleg) darksideofthemoon ... I listened to my walkman when I got my wisdom teeth out ... and one more thing ... jaime and others ... Marilyn Manson wrote well about Columbine in RS, but if I am recalling correctly, he bellyaches about immortalizing these psycho kids, which is just what they wanted. but did you see the cartoon of Dylan and Eric, the two killers, within that story? I think Marilyn was the artist. who’s immortalizing who here? btw, in the newest Rolling Stone (Austin Powers cover) is the BEST reportage I have seen of the Columbine killings to date. It’s such a relief to see the angle they take on it. Read it if you can. I totally appreciated it, and I’m a junkie for stories like that. sandra (who just can’t not respond sometimes) (and who got an unexpected big fat RAISE this week, which I am still giddy about) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:52:09 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: more about Janet and other crimes Okay-- to let others know-- janet's email is: BluDMen@aol.com Don't send her any tapes without recieving anything from her-- ~jaime* ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ "Always know sometimes think its me But you know I know when its a dream I think I know, I mean, oh yes, but its all wrong, That is I think I disagree..." ~J.Lennon -- Strawberry Fields Forever ~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:25:44 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: 4:20 or 5:14... ? Hey MrE-- Couldnt agree with you more, when it comes to D Matthews... My old roommate in college (Ms. In-bed-at-eight-pm-everynight) loved DM... she also hated Liz Phair (Liz didnt pump her up enough for a field hockey game) so... I decided to hate DM-- simply because it would be easy. If I hear "what would you say" ever again--- my brain will explode and I pity the person next to me. I must rent AUSTIN POWERS because I want to see the second one... hate being the last one. "she's dressed in yellow, she says hello, come sit next to me you fine fellow... You run over there, without a second to spare, what comes next, hey-- bust a move!" -- Young MC ~jaime* ~~~ "...poetry is not an expression of emotion, but an escape from emotion..." ~T.S. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:41:02 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: being ripped off by Janet in MI >>Hi, I'm from the SS list. I saw on an earlier digest that you were having >>trouble trading with someone - Janet? Judy? Anyway, I sent a boot to >>"Janet" in Michigan for her copy of Phairities about 4 weeks ago, but I >>haven't heard or received anything. Same deal with you? >>TMK Okay, we have someone on this list named Janet from MI... she emailed me to trade for a show, we had a date picked where we would both mail out our tapes... I got home late from work that day and forgot to go to the Post Office... I emailed Janet right away... She replied that she forgot too. So we decided on that coming Monday-- and I emailed her to say I'd mail it out and I asked her to email me to confirm she mailed the tape... I never heard back from her, so I didnt mail the tape out. As far as Janet knew, I had mailed my tape... but I didnt because I never heard back from her... and I thought it was strange. Then I posted asking if Janet still wanted to trade. Then TMK (see above) emailed me saying they had the same deal with Janet... only poor TMK mailed the tape out. So fellow SS list members, beware of being ripped off by Janet in MI... and actually she will probably either never face this list again, or she'll change her name or something. It is a fucking shame that someone on this list would behave in such a way. I really consider people on this list to be friends that I share a common bond with. I trust SS members. Thank you Janet in MI for making me realize that sleaze-balls listen to liz phair too, and you cant trust everyone. I hope you get booted from the list, and if I ever meet you in real-life you better hope I am smaller than you--- Taking advantage of SS listers to get free liz music is just plain fucking sick. I hope you are ashamed of yourself... besides-- have you ever heard of karma???? ~jaime* ~~~ "...poetry is not an expression of emotion, but an escape from emotion..." ~T.S. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:03:15 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: being ripped off by Janet in MI Jaime wrote: > Okay, we have someone on this list named Janet from MI... she >emailed me to trade for a show, we had a date picked where we would both >mail out our tapes... I got home late from work that day and forgot to go to >the Post Office... I emailed Janet right away... She replied that she forgot >too. So we decided on that coming Monday-- and I emailed her to say I'd >mail it out and I asked her to email me to confirm she mailed the tape... I >never heard back from her, so I didnt mail the tape out. As far as Janet >knew, I had mailed my tape... but I didnt because I never heard back from >her... and I thought it was strange. Then I posted asking if Janet still >wanted to trade. Then TMK (see above) emailed me saying they had the same >deal with Janet... only poor TMK mailed the tape out. > > So fellow SS list members, beware of being ripped off by Janet in >MI... and actually she will probably either never face this list again, or >she'll change her name or something. It is a fucking shame that someone on >this list would behave in such a way. I really consider people on this list >to be friends that I share a common bond with. I trust SS members. > > Thank you Janet in MI for making me realize that sleaze-balls listen >to liz phair too, and you cant trust everyone. I hope you get booted from >the list, and if I ever meet you in real-life you better hope I am smaller >than you--- Taking advantage of SS listers to get free liz music is just >plain fucking sick. I hope you are ashamed of yourself... besides-- have you >ever heard of karma???? Okay, before this goes any further, I'm going to speak up in Janet's defense. First of all, Janet has been a member of this list for almost as long as I can remember, and in that time, she has always been very generous about dubbing copies of her bootlegs for other list members for just blanks and postage. Also, as far as I know, she has conducted a number of successful trades, never once ripping anyone off. No one has ever expressed any complaints about her before. Secondly, I can also vouch for the fact that Janet is a really nice, sincere person, as I did have a chance to meet and hang out with her at the Lounge Ax show. She does not seem to me to be the type of person who would take advantage of another AT ALL, especially anyone from this list. I also know that things can come up unexpectedly and people do get busy, and I know from past email exchanges with Janet that there are times when she has had a lot going on and had much less free time than she would have liked or had anticipated. Since all of this took place, have you tried emailing her again to ask what's up? Maybe she's been too busy to even check her email, but I'm sure she'd write back to you as soon as she's able to. Maybe you disagree with me here, but I think you're jumping the gun in declaring Janet a bad trader. In bootleg-trading circles, for the most part, the accepted etiquette is that you give people two months to come through before posting a bad trader notice. Yes, two months does seem a little generous, especially when one is waiting for tapes. But also, I feel that if it's only been less than a few weeks, you're not giving the person in question a real chance to come through, since some unforeseen circumstance may have arisen. For all any of us know, Janet could be ill or her computer may have crashed, or any number of things might have happened. At least try to contact her again before jumping to conclusions. I'm sorry, but Janet is one of the sweetest people I've met, and I really don't like seeing any unfair allegations made about her character. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:09:13 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Mike Boucher" Subject: Liz Thursday night - my experience Hey gang. I didn't get a chance to post on Friday, but I went to the show Thursday night and it was an absolutely amazing night. Here's an account of my incredible evening: I was to meet my friend Scott in the City between 7:00 and 7:15. Scott picked a bar that was a block and 1/2 away. That's our typical routine... meet in the City for a show, get there early, meet at bar, down a few beers, go to the show... you get the picture. So I got there a little before 7 (doors opened at 8:00) , so first I walked to the place where the show was. It was a really nice place, and there were a few men in suits guarding the front door. I peeked in the windows of the place to see what was going on, and there were a bunch of people buzzing around. I looked for Liz and at first I thought I saw her but it was really tough to tell and then I realized it wasn't her. I saw a stretch limo across the street so I watched that for awhile just to see if I'd get lucky and Liz would come out or something. I had a feeling I should stick around in case something happened. I waited a few minutes but by now it was 7:00 and I needed to go meet Scott. So I walked a block or so over and hung at at the bar. I had a 'cool, tall' glass of beer and waited for Scott to show... About 15 minutes later Scott came in the bar with his game face on. He didn't even say hello, he just started talking. He told me that he too had walked by the place, but that he snuck in. I asked him how, with the suits at the door. He told me there was another door further down the street that took you in, and no one was in front of that one. So he snuck in and started walking around. Sure enough, after walking around a bit... there she was. He was 5 or 10 feet away, and she was right there in front of him. He didn't want to interrupt her, so he didn't say anything. But then she walked right out the front door with a guy (manager? husband??) and he followed her. So went up the street just the two of them and threw out a water bottle in a can on the street. Arguably this is where Scott dropped the ball. Instead of getting and idea where she was going, he let her be and went the other way down the street to meet me. At the bar after we met up, I downed my beer and Scott and I went back to the place. He showed me where he snuck in, and the two of us walked right in the place. We walked around, but no Liz. Just a whole bunch of very fine, very nicely dressed women, and some people setting up the food and drinks. Scott and I headed in the same direction Liz had headed, and found a bar near there. We had some more cold beverages and then around 8:00 headed back. The evening was (to quote Scott) very very 'surreal'. Cool NYC upper class place with beautful women and everyone decked out. Not too many true Liz phans, but that almost made it nice because everyone wasn't fighting to be at the front of the stage, trying to find her, etc. Scott and I headed for the bar (open bar ended up being my downfall). We each got a rum and coke, and walked around. I noticed Buddy walking around, and told Scott "that's the guitar player!!". I wanted to say hi, but he got in line for food and a couple of people asked us to buy raffle tickets. I wanted to see where Buddy was heading (to lead us to Liz), but I got sidetracked with the raffles so I lost him. But I figured there was only one place to go... downstairs. After testing out both bars upstairs, Scott and I headed downstairs and it was so cool down there. It was a smokers lounge with a bar (more rum and cokes for Scott and me!!), and tv's playing Liz's videos, which was cool. We hung out, had a few cigarettes, drank, talked to some babe in law school that was there with her 'talent agent' boyfriend. We talked to her about the Grateful Dead and Phish for awhile. She was a big Phish fan. Anyway... I'll try to keep this interesting... So I noticed there was a room downstairs in the back. I guessed this was the dressing room and I was right. We walked by a couple times, but nothing was going on. By now it was getting close to 10:00, when Liz was going on. So Scott and I went up to the stage to claim a front row spot. We sat on the stage under the mic to claim our spot. It wasn't too hard, since the rest of the crowd wasn't exactly ouzing with excitement for Liz like the rest of us. I started looking for other people from the list. One girl had said she'd be there with an older guy and Scott and I thought we picked her out. Scott said something to the older guy and he pointed to her. But she didn't really respond. Are you out there? Did you enjoy the show??? I think at some point I also met Ginz, who had emailed me saying he'd be there. But that was later on in the night and by that poing I was pretty drunk. Sorry I don't remember more if I did meet you Ginz!! It was around 10:00, and I had to take a pisser. I was afraid to lose my spot, but I told Scott to guard it for me. I took a wiz, and just kept thinking about where Liz would come out to go upstairs. So I went back to the dressing room, and that's when I met Sara and Allison. I could tell they were phans, and that Liz was back there so I hung behind them and waited. Allison said hi, we met and were chatting, and then before I knew it the bouncer said they could go in and see Liz and I couldn't believe it!!! The bouncer didn't want me to go in, but luckily Allison (THANK YOU ALLISON) said "he's my chaperone", and dragged me in behind her and Sara. We walked into this tiny room and there she was right in front of us. I took a picture of Allison, Sara, and Liz, and then asked Allison to take one with me and Liz. You know this part if you read Allison's note. So I'll move on quicker... But let me just say. Liz was sooo cool and friendly and it was way cool of her to let us in so close to her performance. She didn't need to do that, but she did. They kicked us out, and I told Allison and Sara to follow me up to the stage. We got right back to the front with Scott holding our spots, and I filled Scott in quick. She came on, and the whole set was a blur to me. Scott and I had written the set list down earlier, so we weren't surprised when she performed the songs on the list. By now I was very drunk, so sadly I don't even remember the set that well. I just sang away, and we were only a couple of feet from her. I took tons of pictures (some of which came out really well!!!) It was incredible. After the last song (Divorce Song), she reached into the crowd and handed out her picks (who got them?) and I shook her hand (actually, I shook her whole arm I think). We raced back downstairs, and it was me, Scott, Sara, Allison, and two other girls, as Allison mentioned. Liz came out and talked to us for about 10 mintues or so. Luckily Allison had such a good account of what we talked about, because by then my memory fades. But I do remember a couple of things... Scott said 'why didn't you play for like 2 hours???', since it was such a short set. She laughed and said something. We also talked about her set list. One of us (me I think) said something about playing Johnny Feelgood, and she laughed and told us that they editted her list and basically said they didn't let her pick the songs herself. I made some dumb going about them scratching off one song after another. I won't repeat the things Allison wrote since she did such a good job, but a couple things I remember saying to her... she was talking about being afraid to sing or something, and I told her that's she's come a long way with her stage fright. Meaning she was so nervous when Scott and I saw her solo in '95, vs being up there now with the band. She agreed about the stage fright thing. I asked her when a new album was coming out, which brought her in the '7 excellent songs thing'. But she said it would take a while for another album, something about 'how long it takes'. Scott might be able to remember what she said, but I got the jist that it wouldn't be any time soon. Anyway, after some chatting I asked her to sign my whitechoclatespaceegg cover (scott's too), and a picture of her I bought off ebay. She looked at it and wen't LIZ!!! as kind of a joke. It was funny. Anyway, then she was saying she had to go, but I asked for a picture of me and her before she left. Scott took one of the two of us and it came out awesome!!!! I was so psyched. Anyhow, I have to run and this note is so long. I won't finish the rest of my night (about how I was puking on the streets of NYC later on, and flipping off people in a Pizza place who were making fun of me). But I got home okay and paid for the open bar thing all day at work on Friday. But it was such an excellent night. Gotta run. I'll ask Scott to fill in the details and write more later if there is anything Allison or I missed. By the way, it was great meeting Allison and Sara. Oh, one last thing, we had Buddy and Janet sign our CD's too, so 3 signatures in total. Way cool night indeed. That's it for now. Peace, Mike "I met him at a party and he told me how to drive him home" - Liz Phair. __ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:35:06 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: i can't, i can't believe it Ok, so I know you're all sick of hearing about my Liz encounter, but I remembered a few more things I wanted to mention..... When Sara and I were chatting w/ Janet, she asked us when we thought she found out about the benefit. We said, "last night" and she's like, "Nope....this morning." Then she explained how it was originally going to be just Liz solo, then Liz wanted Buddy, and finally she wanted the whole ensemble. Then Janet uses this ditzy/spacy voice, pretending to be Liz, and says, "Hmmmm....maybe we could just add everybody or something! Yeah!" It was pretty damn funny, and Janet was really good-natured about the last-minute scheduling....like, she could've been really bitter about it, but she was more playful when she imitated Liz.........like, I don't think she was really pissed or anything, which was pretty damn cool...she just kinda wanted to entertain us. Hmmmm.......the second thing......oh yeah, right when we met Liz after the show, Sarah and her friend were like, "Why didn't you play Johnny Feelgood?" and Liz put her hands to her temples, like she's shooting herself...she had this look like "Hello, they'd kill me if I played it!"....I suppose since the whole night was dedicated to anti-violence against women and the "he knocked me down, started dragging me around" WOULD NOT have settled well. Then Liz explained how the whole song selection for this was "such a blow to my perception of my songs" or her songwriting or something and she did this thing where she held out her left hand as if it were a list and with her right hand she started crossing songs out, going "No....no....no"........it was really cute......it's really hard to describe, especially since I'm supremely conversational when I post (it's just so much easier to just f'n write w/out trying to sound literary or anything....I need a break from all these end of the year essays and tests......) but if I ever meet any of you, I will gladly demonstrate. OOOOooooohhhhhhhhhhh.....simulation! (And I know some of you at first glance will think that says stimulation....naughty!) I think that was all I wanted to add........now I'll just wait patiently for the next digest. Hey! Maybe I'll send this and be the last post! Won't that be special. - --Allison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:57:52 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: welll......ummmmmm I'm sitting here impatiently waiting for the digest.......dammit........i'm sure lotsa ppl posted.....but since it hasn't come yet I'm writing again. How do some ppl's boots come out so freakin well? I was just dubbing a 95 show 4/11 I think) and the sound is pristine! What do you guys use to record shows? I use some crappy-do (not scrappy-doo) recorder that works for journalism interviews but really sucks for concerts........any suggestions? The sound is ok, but it's so damn fuzzy. Also, the Wellesley show is such good qual........did someone from this list record that version of that show that's been going around? How on earth do you do it?! What else.........hmmmmmmmmmm......the longer this is, the, um........longer this is and the farther everyone will need to scroll to get to a post they actually want to read. How was the food at the benefit? I tried a tiny piece of something, but I was such a mess I couldn't eat......plus, it had fennel, which really pissed me off since I hate fennel and they should f'n cater to me dammit! Oh, and for those of you who had a phfest in NY today, sorry I couldn't make it......my brother just got home from Dartmouth and he wanted to chill w/ me for reasons I cannot fathom.......but, for those of you who went, I hope you had a blast, and I know you were all psyched when you realized I wasn't going to show. What am I sniffing? You decide........ Ok, after I send this, I expect a big fat digest in my mailbox....... I mean it......... Getting ready to send........... - --Allison NOW!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #172 ************************************