From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #171 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, June 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RHCP [Craig King ] Re: Shirley Manson ["Sally Mae" ] Liz Benefit Last Night [AMCFLND1@aol.com] "This is not Liz is it?" [AngelLieb@aol.com] thriller nights [Jason Tedford ] have a great weekend! [Katie Brown ] my first concert experience ["fisher" ] quick words-hyphen rules!!!! and my first concert [Danaldj@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] i leave for a month.... [farstrider@earthlink.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: RHCP Just curious, any Red Hot Chili Pepper fans on the list? I just picked up their new album "Californication" which is amazing. Personally I think it's their best album. I'm so glad that John Frusciante is back in the band cuz he's an amazing guitar player. Hopefully he's back for good this time. Flea rules, and is the true master of funk on bass. Hopefully they'll do a full blown tour cuz I'm dying to see them! And once again going back to the high school soundtrack thing, "Under The Bridge" by the RHCP was one of my fav songs during that time period. Liz content? Hmmmm......for anyone who went, how was the NY concert?!?!?!?!?!?!? What was the set list? Anyone tape it? Craig "AdRock" NP: Kid Rock - Devil Without A Cause _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:11:53 -0700 From: "Sally Mae" Subject: Re: Shirley Manson Sure Garbage would have been started by Butch Vig but without Shirley there wouldn't be a Garbage cause they needed a singer and someone to write lyrics I believe, as Butch, Steve + Duke already had written music saw Shirley on MTV in her old band Angelfish and thought she had a nice voice. She is not in Garbage just because she's good looking, she can't help the fact she's a damn good singer, lyricist AND pretty! I also believe Shirley has written all of the lyrics on both fine Garbage albums apart from the Beack Boys and The Pretenders bits on Version 2.0 (BB in Push it and Pretenders in Special)Also I beg to differ with Version 2.0 cause I happen to think it's a bloody great album!! Also does anyone on this list know if Liz is going to tour Australia cause I heard that the Lilith Fair might be coming here this year and if she has toured Aus before? THANKS......Sal Re: 1st concert-Kylie Minogue You thought I was a little girl, You thought I was a little mouse, You thought you'll take me by surprise, now I'm here burning down your house- Not My Idea *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:06:16 EDT From: AMCFLND1@aol.com Subject: Liz Benefit Last Night I could not be more excited . . . .I finally got to meet Liz at the Benefit show in NY last night! Allison and I kept going over to her dressing room for about two hours to see if she was there. In the mean time, we chatted with her band for a while....Janet's so cool! Finally at about 10:00 or so I saw Liz coming back, so as she was going into her dressing room I said "Liz" and I introduced myself and then Allison introduced herself. But, Liz had to get ready so she said she'd come out and talk later.....do you know what she did? She had her manager come out and get our cds to take inside to be signed. Then, she told him to let us in! We got pictures, and then ran upstairs to see the 7 song set list. (Glory, Uncle Alvarez, Never Said, Mezmerizing, Polyester Bride, Perfect World, Divorce Song.) After, we went back downstairs and got to talk to Liz for another 10 minutes or so. She was the absolute coolest person! It was so nice to get to finally meet her! ~Sara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:30:28 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: "This is not Liz is it?" Well, driving my mother around and what song comes on my tape? "Beginning to See the Light" by our Phair highness. First she mistook it for my best friend, I'm not surprised, most people have mistook Liz for her half the time. Odd too cuz she doesn't even listen to Liz as much as I do. Anyways, my mom was shocked to hear that Liz does have a calm side compared to her "Flower." "Well, this is a lot different from the Liz I know. She talks about fucking and stuff. I thought this was Tarah and it sounded a lot like Loreena McKennitt." Ohhhhhhk mother! Calm down! So, with my search for Aimee Mann, I came up with Till Tuesday. Old '80s band or something cuz on the cover everyone had those punk hairdos. My fave indie store didn't have any of Aimee's cd of course, not surprised. I'm used to the wait. Rock on gold dust woman, Katie ();) NP: Sheryl Crow_Sweet_Child_o'_Mine! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tedford Subject: thriller nights I can't tell if it's about to rain or not so I've decided to play it safe and skip out on my run for now and post instead. See, it's so easy. I've got to say it amazes me how so many people seem to have such great music in their life soundtracks. Really, I'm pretty sure mine would be oh-so unhip (at least until mid high school). Something I'll have to ponder (Milli Vanilli anyone? just kidding). The first concert thing is a nice idea. Mine was...are you ready...the Jackson Victory Tour. Not just Michael, but Jermaine, Jackie, Marlon, and Tito. Me and like 60,000 other people. I think I was in like fourth or fifth grade. Me and a friend spent all afternoon that day glueing glitter to white gloves, most of which was lost in the hair of the woman in front of me. No uphill from there either. Next? Starship with Mr. Mister (or is it Mister Mr.?) Oh, the shame in it all... You know, I was watching Addicted to Love the other day (not good) and I've gotta tell you, every now and then I have these moments where I see this resemblence between Liz and Meg Ryan. I don't know what I think about that. Anyone? One last note before I depart. My girlysounds are dead, dead, dead. I'm desparately in search of a good quality set on CD. I'm pleading to those of you out there with burners. If you can help me out please drop me an email. I would be ever so grateful. Out for now... JT NP: "Greased lightning...going nowhere..." my thoughts exactly... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:40:27 PDT From: Katie Brown Subject: have a great weekend! I can't wait to read the reviews from last night... :) yeah ruthie-girl! did you get the treats I sent to you in NJ? also someone posted hell yeah for smoking a joint on Her porch... um, that was mentioned, yes, but it didn't actually happen, because she was home! the house was all lit up. but it was the thought that counted, right? :) next time, baby. i'll give full details. I taped Fame the other night, that movie kicks serious ass. who taped Liz's set at the benefit? OFFER YOU CAN'T REFUSE. just keep repeating that to yourself until you're mailing my copy... HA! wishful thinking. can't wait for the reviews. This is KB. This is KB on drugs on a Friday afternoon. yeeehaw, dude. LATER katiebrown _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:01:29 -0700 From: "fisher" Subject: my first concert experience >>what was the first concert you went to? my first concert experience was both shocking and amazing for me at the time. i was 12. i was (and still am) heavy into juliana hatfield and for my birthday present my uncle sent me and my friend nicola to toronto to see her ( i live in kingston, about three hours from toronto). we were veeeery unprepared for a rock show. i didn't know shit about live concerts, and was definitely too young to be, in any way, a part of the music scene. so i was expecting it to be, like, in a cafe, with people sitting at their tables smoking and swinging their legs. september 22, 1996, at the opera house in toronto. it was jampacked. people all around me were (gasp!) smoking pot ( i was 12, remember...) people were crowdsurfing and some massive guy landed on nicola's head. we were not cool at all and this was all very, very scary. but at the same time, it was kinda like an epiphany... i fell in love with juliana and have remained obsessed with her since that day. seen her numerous times since, and each show is better than the last. i love reading about people's experiences.. so write yours, everyone. love laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:20:56 EDT From: Danaldj@aol.com Subject: quick words-hyphen rules!!!! and my first concert i have been really busy and haven't any online time, but i want to drop a quick note to say: HYPHEN RULES!!!!!!! and ALL YOU LIZ PHANS RULE!!!! Hyphen, a fellow lister and the person i was talking about in my last post, totally made my day yesterday when she showed up at the radio station and with a copy of "secretly timid" she had made for me!!!! she is awesome, i was sooo psyched we talked about liz for two hours!! and we didn;t even realize how much time had gone by! anyway, i am being booted off, so i really wanted to write a quick note saying how awesome that was and how awesome liz phans really are- it gave me faith in the human race again! oh yeah...my first concert(by choice) AWESOME LINE-UP: THE CURE (Disintegration tour) w/ Love and rockets The Pixies!! and Shellyan Orphan- August 20, 1989! I will never forget it , even though i had nosebleeds! and dad chaperoned! ohhhhhhh i am just soo excited and in such a good mood from all this really positive stuff,,, liz stuff, meeting a fellow lister and a cool new job, but my car, on the other hand, just doesn';t want to get better! oh well...you can;t have too much good in one week! alright, i'm out- it's fri nite and i am posting again, dana , the radio chick, d-love, danaldj, dp in nj Np: Secretly Timid!!!!!!! -thanks hyphen! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:38:56 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message [This message bounced on its way to the list, but please make sure you all read it, as it contains a lot of great news! Thanks, Allison! - JL] From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: hooooooooooooooooly shit Crap! I don't even know how to begin! Last night was the most incredible night........just thinking about it makes my heart nearly stop..........well, um, let's see..........I know Sara already posted something, but since I have no idea what she wrote, I'll just tell the story from my perspective. Sara, Marino, and I got there around 8 and then Marino (married w/ a 10 month old!)went on to be bad and meet lotsa women......tsk, tsk...........so Sara and I scoped out the area, then asked a security guy where Liz was. He said she was downstairs, so we ran down there and found her dressing room, which was towards the back near coat check. We asked the lady (Angie) who was guarding the entrance if Liz was there, but she said she wouldn't get there till later and she was at her hotel. We harrassed her for awhile and tried to make friends w/ her, and she told us to check back in a little while. The downstairs area was set up w/ kinda dim red lighting and these white mattress things arranged around the room, and there was one right outsude the dressing room, so Sara and I hung out there for awhile. Some guy walked out of the dressing room and another guy goes, "Jebin! How ya doing?" I went up to him and was like, "Are you Jebin w/ Liz?" or something to that effect, and he said yes so we chatted a bit and he signed my Juvenilia (which was the designated signing case since there's a lot of white space) and I got a picture w/ him. Then I talked w/ Ric for a minute or two while he signed, but I don't think I got a picture w/ him b/c he had important matters to attend to or something. I talked w/ Buddy for a sec at one point, and he signed "We played "Allison" during a show once.....did you hear that?" Then I thought I saw Janet go back and forth a few times, so I asked the sound guy (Ed Tyner or something.......you can find his name under Johnny Feelgood for claps and some other stuff) to get Janet to come out and talk to me and Sara. He also signed Juvenilia just for fun. She seemed kinda surprised to have people waiting outside for her, but she must be THE SWEETEST person I have ever met. She has a wonderful sense of humor and talked to us for at least 20 minutes, possibly more. We discussed different shows and she made some funny remarks about how Liz got someone to do her make-up for her, while Janet has to do it herself. She then told us a funny story about how when Liz went on Rosie they made her sing in front of Rosie's desk so she wasn't on camera. I thought she'd have been ticked, but she told us that she'd let someone else do her make-up (there's a dash, right?) and the lady made her look really goth and terrible. I told her my Chapel Hill story and asked her about playing w/ Alanis. She said it was cool, but she prefers playing w/ just Liz. Sara and I got some pictures w/ her and she signed my Juvenilia "Allison -- you're like our personal Magellan!" She was so adorable and had awesome clothes. If you have a chance to speak w/ her, DO SO IMMEDIATELY! Wait........the next time they're playing is at Lillith, but if you're lucky enough to go when Liz is playing, try and meet Janet too. Anyway, after about 2 hours of mixed mingling and keeping watch outside w/ Janet, finally Liz arrives, w/ about 10 minutes until set time. Sara runs up to her and introduces herself. I was going to also, but I was talking to Janet and didn't want to snub her and make it seem like I didn't care about our conversation since she's so awesome. Anyway, I finished my sentence and run up, and I'm like, "Hi...I'm Allison" and she reaches out her hand halfway then puts it down and I'm in a daze so a second later I put my hand up and she laughs since it was kinda dumb-ly awkward. Angie tells her that we've been waiting for two hours and we're die-hard fans and would love to have a picture w/ her. She's like, "Oh yeah, sure, cool" but her manager's like, "Actually she needs to get ready" (if I have any facts wrong, please excuse.......I was about to cry I was so fucking excited!) so she apologized an said she was really late and had to prep but we could come back after the show and chill. So Sara and I sit back down and then the manager comes out and says, "Do you have anything for her to sign? She doesn't have time for you to go in and talk, but she can sign something for you." I was like, holy shit! The fact that she had about 10 minutes to get ready and she still wanted to put aside time and actually remembered that we were out there was so great! So we handed him Juvenilia and he ran back in. Around this time I saw this guy also waiting out there so I asked if he was somehow affiliated w/ Liz. Turns out he was Mike, this super cool guy who's also on supports whom I'd intended to meet there. Then the manager comes back out and says that the two girls (Sara and I) can go in quickly and get pictures w/ her. They're letting us in and Angie or someone stops him but I lied and told them that he was my chaperone so they let him in. I was on such a natural high. We dash in and I could hardly see the surroundings, I was so frantic. She's just standing there in the middle of the dressing room smiling and waiting to have pics w/ us. So Sara stands next to her and someone took a pic of the three of us and then I tried to take a picture w/ Mike w/ his camera but I was so jittery and spazzing out that I couldn't see through the viewfinder thing so I was getting really upset and Liz is like, "Shit! She's getting frantic!" Then the manager starts getting pissed b/c they're supposed to be upstairs and I'm nearly hyperventilating w/ the damn camera so I just take the picture according to how I think the pic should be taken and Sara, Mike, and I all kinda chain b/c Mike's friend Scott was holding a place in the front of the stage upstairs and we wanted to go up quickly and get in front. We all made it to the front row. I was about a foot at most away from her. The set list was practically in front of me, a little to the right, so Sara and I set up our crappy recorders right next to the little stage. I got the whole thing on tape, but my recorder has a big fuzz factor, but if anyone wants copies, just e-mail me and we'll work something out. We already knew the setlist (Glory, Uncle Alvarez, Never Said Mesmerizing, Polyester Bride, Perfect World, Divorce Song though not in that exact order) but itw as so great. It was so adorable during Divorce Song, I think, whe she tried to do hand motions at the totally wrong time........like, "when you did the things you said were up to me" so she just had her hands out and just made like emphatic gestures, although she did some ripply hand thing during something appropriate that I can't remember. Also, at the end of DS, she started talking w/ Buddy and then they both went to the mics and started going "OOooooooohhhh-oooooooohhhhhh!" kinda train-whitsle-y..it was really cute. Although they said no flash photography, I was very naughty and took lotsa pics......she was so close! And my zoom was so good! Then I got busted, but I'd already taken a bunch, so it was ok. I was more worried the guy who yelled at me about the cameras would notice the recorders, so I made a big action putting my camera in my case and apoloogized a lot. Even though I knew the setlist, I yelled for Conversation Overheard Between 2 Bouncers and at one point she leaned forward and went "what?" so Sara said it to her but she didn't understand. I also yelled for Blood Keeper for fun. Oh, and I took a close-up of that star thingy on her cream guitar...hopefully it'll come out. Oh, and I'm getting triples of my photos, so hopefully I can send-lend a set to someone who wants to scan them onto a site, since I can't do it, although I may want a pic to put on mine, if I'm able. She played both her cream one w/ the star and that red one, so I guess whichever one broke is now repaired. Oh, and she did that back-stretch thing that she knows really sets ppl off, but the guy came and harrassed me then, so if you've never seen it, sorry! Right after the show, since we figured they wouldn't play an encore, the four of us (Sara, Mike, Scott, and I) ran back down to take station outside the dressing room. I honestly cannot remember what happened for awhile, but finally Liz came back out and talked to us, along w/ another girls on supports (Sarah Russo......is that your name?) and her friend and we all chatted w/ Liz for a few minutes. She signed my Juvenilia and Guyville, and all of Sara's liner notes and her set list. Sara told Liz that people were selling set lists for $40 at roseland, and Liz is like, "Shit! Are you kidding me? I should start signing my underwear!" We told her that I'd been yelling for conversation the whole time and her eyes bugged out and she's like, "How the hell do you know that song?" I told her that I'd also screamed for Blood Keeper and she's like "Only about three people had that.....I'm starting to wonder how these things are getting out there!" or something like that. I asked her about new stuff and she said that she's been writing more and by sometime in the coming week she has to go to the studio w/ "7 new very excellent songs" and she seemed kinda worried that people had songs she hasn't released yet, or maybe she was just shocked. I'd asked Janet about bootlegging earlier, and she said that everyone's fine w/ it and that she often e-mails people asking for shows, but they never believe that she's really who she claims to be. Liz also added that she's putting a girlysound song on the next album and she stopped to think of it........I said "Hello Sailor" just b/c I love that song and no one ever mentions it, and she's like, no, and starts humming the beginning parts. I go "Can't Get out of What I'm Into!" and we both start singing it. So, technically I sang w/ Liz. Yeah! I wish I'd bootlegged our conversation. Conversation Overheard Among 6 obsessed fans and the coolest person ever..........So, that's the latest on the next album, and maybe I'm totally wrong, but either she or Janet said that she wants a new album by Sept, but maybe after if they get delayed. I love that song! Sorry to be all snotty, but I was so elated just singing that w/ her in this surreal setting.......it was such a dream.............I still can hardly believe it. So we chatted some more and Sara mentioned that she's learning to play Perfect World and has some trouble w/ the part right before the chorus, so Liz kinda hums it and says, "Oh, I can show you how to do that" and points into her dressing room, but we never did. : ( Anyway, I know I'm missing stuff, but she told us a bit about how she used to sing in choirs and loved to sing but was embarrassed and then just decided to go for it and suggested to take lessons and just go for it. Then it turned out that Liz had some old friends there who had come to see her, so she's like, "I'm really sorry guys, but I have some friends here that I haven't seen in a long time, so I kinda have to get back in there." She was so sweet! So we let her go, but as she walked back there, I ran after her and asked whose eye was in the inlay of spaceegg. She shrugged and said some friend of hers (Barbara?) took the picture and she didn't really know. So, we still don't really have an answer, but that's as much as I could find out. Whew! I keep on thinking about it and getting teary. Honestly, that had to be one of the best nights of my life....nothing can compare to the excitement and the awesome ppl I met....(Mike, e-mail me or something!).......now if only my road test next Thursday will go so well........ The whole experience was just so wild....like I felt so strangely sedate while more excited than ever..........I felt such a sense of closure considering my failed attempt and near-miss in Feb in Chapel Hill and considering all the shit and stress I go through during the year, this was just an awesome....something........I can't even describe it but I feel so much at peace w/ everything! I just kinda wished I'd talked w/ her a little longer since I didn't want to cut in since she really liked Sarah and her friend. Oh well..........sorry this is soooooo massive, but the night was quite long and eventful. Now I really need to sleep, if I can! I was up till three last night just listening to the bootleg and being all giddy. Anyway, if I think of more, I will most definitely clog all your mailboxes again. - --Allison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:49:07 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Ginz" Subject: Liz in NYC Here is the story of the Sanctuary for Families benefit show: For those who haven't been keeping up, Liz played at a benefit in New York City, Thursday, June 10 at The Altman Building, 135 West 18th Street. Sanctuary for Families is an organzation the helps the those who've experieced domestic violence, and their families. This event was intended to raise funds, and also to raise awareness about domestic violence. The 20-30 year-old age group was the target audience. (umm...You are a target market) I drove up from Philly to see the show...and there was virtually no traffic, at least untill the Lincoln Tunnel. Those taxi drivers will cut you off.....flip you the bird....then kick your dog. (just a total disregard for public saftey) However, I couldn't believe how easy it was to get into Manhattan at 7:30 in the evening. (Sorry to those who are kicking themselves now) The Altman Building, at least the first floor, is a large, wide open, "studio" space. It had high ceilings, exposed steel beams, wood floors. It's a very modern space, probably used for art exibits, cocktail parties, fashion shows, that sort of thing....... The event started at 8pm, with Liz scheduled to go on at 10. There was an hors d'ourve (sp?) buffet, and an open bar. By the way, the 21-and-over thing didn't seem to be a problem. I was alone and my ID was not checked at the door.....although some people were checked at the bar. Most of the people were in their early 20's, wearing suits and dresses. Calvin Klein was a sponser, which might expain why Liz was asked to play. (It might also explain the CK products in the bathroom) DJ Sky, who is female, played music before and after the show..... including all your favorites..."No, I don't want no scrubs....." Oh yeah. The stage was set-up along the back wall. The risers where only 2 feet off the ground and there was nothing between the crowd and the stage. Finally, the lights dimmed, and out came a woman from VH-1 (a model who's name escapes me). She spoke a bit about Sanctuary for Families......said, "Please, no flash photography" and introduced, "LLLLLiiiiiiiiizzzzzzz Phair.... So, out comes the whole band. Janet, Buddy, and the keyboard player (name?) were there, but the bass player and drummer were not those on the college tour. Thankfully, Ed "Jim Morrisson" Tinley was on the monitor mix. (Yeah ED!) The whole band, save Janet and Liz, were in suits and ties. Very sharp..... maybe they were Calvin Klein..... I don't know. Liz wore a beige/green top that tied in the back and almost looked like a really short dress. (hard to explain). She wore beige pants, black open-toe shoes, a gold bracelet, hair down. (Yes. She looked fantasic.) I'd like to see the band wears suits from now on. Kind of a 60's, Ed Sullivan look. It makes the guys look like "good boys" while Liz is the "bad-girl rocker" It was so cool !! Now, if we can just get Liz to pick up a Gibson.... Good News: Liz's yellow Duo-Sonic is back.....remember, at the previous Crowbar show, she put it down halfway through and said, "It's dying..." I didn't see the sliver MusicVox. Here's the set list: GLORY (The photo-flashes were blinding, heh heh. People were eventually asked to stop) UNCLE ALVAREZ NEVER SAID MESMERIZING (Liz put down her guitar and held the microphone for this one. She was definately in-charge!) POLYESTER BRIDE PERFECT WORLD DIVORCE SONG ..."and then accused me of trying to FUCK IT UP......" (Buddy suggested a "whooo-whooo" during the final instrumental section, and Liz joined in, "whooo-whooo" It was pretty funny.) At the end, Liz took the picks hanging on the microphone stand and kindly gave them to the people standing in front. Liz knew that the people down front were great fans. On her way off stage, Liz shook every hand that was reached out. (Including mine!!!) I'm so happy I went.... A few comments on the show.... I'd estimate that about 300 people were there. During the performance, many people stood in front of the stage....many stood off to the sides. There was plenty of space and you could've gotten as close as you wanted....even the front row. EVERYONE was talking, even people watching the show. You could hear echoing chatter during every song. The large room was full of metal, hard surfaces, and chatty socializers. The vocals were difficult to hear. Liz played it cool.....the whole band sounded good. People yelled for Johnny Feelgood, Conversation Overheard...... but that set list was clearly written in stone. With a new rhythm section, and a 30 min set, you're pretty limited. Also, the theme of Johnny Feelgood probably didn't fit the theme of the evening..... I have no idea what happened after the performance, as I had to get back to Philly. I only met one of you last night...... so, hello to Mellissa. Sorry I missed the rest of you. I have a completely unedited minidisc recording of the show, and am looking for someone with the hardware/software to trim it up and digitally master it to CDR (through optical or electrical digital connections) Please email me and let me know if you have the appropriate gear. I hope to get you all some copies very soon. These are the Last Words, Ginz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:11:16 -0600 From: farstrider@earthlink.net Subject: i leave for a month.... ok, so i dont check my email for a while and see what i miss. well, i hope everyone is having a wonderful summer. my only liz content would be that i now have tickets to lilith here in indianapolis (but did not subject them to the columbus curse since i did not buy them myself)so i will finally get to see liz live. i mean I WILL SEE LIZ LIVE! if anyone else is planning on attending this concert i would love to know. steven (formerly known as treeshadow) from indy ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #171 ************************************