From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #170 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I had a dream.... [DarkSide oftheMoon ] My first concert [AngelLieb@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #168 ["keelyfish" ] i'm ho-ome! [Ruthie1013@aol.com] 80s metalheads unite! [Ken_Davis@putnaminv.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #168 ["dana polachowski" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Please read! [Jason Long ] FWD: Message posted to incorrect list address [Jason Long Subject: I had a dream.... All righty then.....I wasn't gonna do this but ynot...it's been a while since I posted... Soundtrack for Fast Times at Boca Ciega High School.. And man am I dating myself with this one...hard to believe it has been 20 years since graduation...yikes! Some of these are older than the time I was in school but hey, they are classics then as now.... 1. Pink FLoyd - Animals & The Wall 2. Van Halen - 1st album 3. Rush - 2112 4. The Outlaws - Green Grass & High Tides 5. ZZ Top - Deguelo 6. Jethro Tull - Aqualung 7. Beatles - Abbey Road 8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 9. Led Zep - II, III 10. Rolling Stones - Beggar's Banquet 11. Talking Heads - Speaking in Tongues Sounds like classic rock 105.5 on your FM dial, eh? And of course 'Cheech & Chongs UP IN SMOKE' not an album but def a movie for the times... (Wishin I could time warp back to High School and pick up a 4 finger bag o' Columbian Gold.......for $20 no less...) And here's a HELL YEAH to Katie Brown and her bro' for getting high on Liz Phair's porch...that is exactly the kinda thing I would do! Scary.... Actually SS # 167 was sorta like a drug itself...almost all the posts had a certain quality to them...weird. First Concert - Renaissance & Gentle Giant , 1977 Best Concert - Emerson, Lake & Palmer, 1977 tour or the Allman Brothers (while tripping...woo!) Cheapest Concert - Tom Petty his first tour for....$2.98... Last Concert - Sheryl Crow, April 1999 Concert I would step over my mother for - Liz of course (sorry ma...) Concert I'm glad I went to cuz who knew?- Stevie Ray Vaughn So Katie L in Orlando( home of the mouse)....whats up with the Florida Liz Phest? Anybody else e-mail you on the subject or what? And how come my Fuck and Run CD won't advance by itself through the tracks? Is yours like that? Anybody else? What's the word on Liz singing at a Cubs game? I got a chance to go to Chicago in August and wouldn't be great to not only see the Cubs but Liz too.....any body know of anything Liz related for the 6, 7, 8th of August lemmeknow.... I had a dream....and Liz was in it... I was living in the house I grew up in but the time was now. There had been a lightning strike which caused a huge branch to fall off and smash half the roof in. I managed to get my wife and son out and grab the 2nd most precious thing in my life, my guitar and amp (says alot huh?) just in time to see the whole house collapse. So anyway, we went to a hospital but it sorta morphed into a Wal-Mart like store. I don't remember all the details but Liz was there! She was out in the parking lot in a little car with 3 other people, guys I think, I don't know who. I talked to her and even gave her a hug and a kiss on the cheek! Now I had just seen my house destroyed but seeing Liz somehow made it all better. I was more in shock from meeting Liz than having all my shit destroyed. She was telling me it was going to be all right. She was so nice and I was totally blown away by meeting her and actually felt everything was going to be okay. Then she got in the car and drove off. Thats all I remember. You know, I've said this before but its so true. I have never been so affected or felt such a connection to a performer like I do with Liz. Sure, I grew up listening to the Beatles and believe me, they will always be my favorite group. I wanted to be like John Lennon when I grew up. And I go through my phases with groups or certain types of music. But as much as I love their music, its different with Liz. Its like when I listen to Liz I know no matter what happens, its going to be allright. I think I could face death with no fear if I had some Liz playing (in addition to my faith & stuff). Hmmm...I wonder if can bring my Discman with me to the dentist when I get these wisdom teeth yanked? Heading to Amsterdam by degrees.......DarkSide oftheMoon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:47:16 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: My first concert Ohki...who asked what was the first concert you went to? For me, it was Bob Dylan in '92, back in sixth grade. Didn't know much about his music back then, parents are a huge fan though. What I remember so well about this concert is realizing at the last minute that the picture retakes were the next day and what was I wearing? A Bob Dylan shirt...the picture is sooo bad! I swear I was smiling for the picture, but it turned out it looked like I was mad at the world. So, now my best friend calls me Katie BOB just to remind me of that day. grrr! Who was next? Rod Stewart in '94 and then the list grew on afterwards. Oh me so happy! A concert on Sunday and I just got tickets for the Cranberries on Monday. =) I think I'll try and head for Cyndi Lauper's concert sometime, it can't be that bad. Anyhoo, I'm looking into checking out Aimee Mann sometime, heard of her mentioned on this list before. The only prob is I can't find her at any of the big stores of course, will have to check the indie ones then. Uhhh...any Liz content? I hope there will be a new album sometime! Katie ();) NP: Raiders of the Lost Ark soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:13:28 -0500 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #168 Sandra says: anyone concur? or am I wrong? > > but i can grow > inspite all we know/ DESPITE ALL YOU KNOW > you might not recognize me tomorrow > yes i can change > inspite all that they say/ DESPITE ALL THEY SAY > call me/ BECOME something strange and beautiful > like joy, like joy You are absolutely right on. Those are the words she is saying both times I saw her on the college tour. Keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:11:05 EDT From: Ruthie1013@aol.com Subject: i'm ho-ome! yes, folks, ruthie has returned to the good-ol' U.S. of A. can i go back to london now? oh wait, i need to drive my car first.... anyways, i haven't had time to read the digest for the last couple weeks, between travelling and packing, but i just read yesterday's digest, and COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THIS BENEFIT SHOW IN MY HOME OF NYC IS ALL ABOUT? ANYONE HAVE AN EXTRA TICKET, OR KNOW WHERE I CAN GET ONE? this is the kind of stuff i miss when i dont' make time for the digest.. anyways, just wanted to say hi.... KB... i'll call you soon. it looks like i'm coming up to boston the weekend of the june 26.... tootles all! (:ruthie:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:33:17 -0400 From: Ken_Davis@putnaminv.com Subject: 80s metalheads unite! These high school lists are of great interest to me..as I'm always curious about how people came to love Liz..and I think these lists provide some great clues. I have defined some Liz Appreciation Patterns (LAPs) - if ever I go back to school this will be the basis for my thesis...perhaps Nicole can write a term paper on it? 1) Metal to punk to alternative to Liz (me) 2) Duran Duran to alternative to Liz (my wife) 3) Soft girl music (10000Maniacs is my example) to nastier girl music (Liz)..the next step is Sleater-Kinney I think (what's after that???) I'm sure there's a ton more One other item..there doesn't seem to be much hip-hop or country on any of our lists, other than the big dance song of the era or the odd Garth Brooks ballad. Of course when I was in high school (in Canada) there wasn't much hip-hop to be found. I had to buy my Run-DMC albums as imports. I have tagged both Tim and Valerie as fellow 80s metalheads..I'll be sure to include you both when the details of the Iron Maiden summer tour emerge 8) I saw that Bon Jovi/Cinderella show too - and in the months that followed, Cinderella spent as much time in my walkman as did the Cure. That was during my awkward metal head to cool guy year. bina said >ken, i was so exciting to see you list reagen youth on your soundtrack... I got to thinking about them again when I heard D-Generation cover Degeneration on the punk rock show on the high school radio station in my town...I still have a place in my heart for those NYC hardcore bands: Gorilla Biscuits, Sick of It All, etc.. sandra said > NON-TRIPOD .. I have never heard that before love it. With great shame I admit to stealing the line..it's from a Dennis Miller rant. I am working on not stealing from Dennis Miller but I don't smoke and this is a huge vice of mine. Hopefully I'll have more original material next time Quick check for Liz content....yep....ok..firing away.... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:40:57 -0700 From: "dana polachowski" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #168 it's me again... > I don't have my CD's w/me (they're @ my fiance's 'cause we're making > the audio tapes for the wedding, no stupid "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" "Hot. Hot. Hot." > or other shit like that for us. HAAA!! then you'd have to play that "right said fred" song... what was that? oh, yeah: "i'm too sexy." eeek! or how 'bout "goodbye to you"? that would be both ironic...and twisted. which brings us to...the *real* patti smith: >she was massively influenced by >Patti Smith, if not directly then by way of Kim Gordon, Kim Deal, Joan >Jett, Chrissie Hynde, etc. If you don't know what I'm talking about I >strongly suggest you pick up the first two Patti Smith albums, Horses and >Radio Ethiopia (released, amazingly enough, in the mid-seventies) and >listen to "Gloria" "Break it Up" and "Pumpin' My Heart". i remember when those albums first came out and all these people (way older than me) were like "oh my god, this is fantastic" and, you know, i think i was afraid of her (i blame youth and stupidity); it was too much for me. well, now, 20 years later, to me she exhibits the honesty and depth that just cuts right through and sets my heart ablaze... i remember reading that micheal stipe said he heard that album "horses" and it changed his life; he said it affected him so much he thought he was gonna throw up. i hear ya! > Beethoven's 4th, 5th, and 9th symphonies. > Ravel's "Bolero" (hmmm, doo doo d'd'd'doo doo doo dum de dum) > Copland's "Rodeo" (you know. Beef: it's what's for dinner) > Paul Desmond (Dave Brubeck 4tet) "Take Five" (Lexus: it's what you get the > beef for dinner in) right on! another classical music listener. used to play in a big "youth" orchestra and we played "appalachian spring" and now every time i hear copland i get a huge lump in my throat....yeah... > Anybody out there read the new Rolling Stone yet ? I did. I hate to ruin > if you haven't read it, but Marylin Manson wrote a piece in regard to the > tragedy in Littleton. I was quite skeptical, mainly because I dont like MM, > ("dope show" was cute, but the shock value has worn off) but also because I > didn't know what to expect. I laid back on my sofa and read it... Damn, I > was impressed. me too!! i don't much care for the MM genre, but every interview i've read of this guy has really made me say "wow." kudos to him. and this one was especially good. he nailed it. the end. dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:09:57 EDT From: Exile217@aol.com Subject: can't remember was just reading my digests and had something to post. no clue what it was now. until i rembember, i'll fill you in on my first concert. when i was about 12, a radio station was giving away ticket's to see Color Me Badd at the county fair. i wrote "i love CMB" all over my body and rode my bike down to the beach to get tickets. went to the show with a friend from school and screamed "i wanna sex you up" with the rest of the crowd. god, that is so embarassing. still no clue of what i was originally going to post. later, liz b. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: half of what i say is meaning less Okay haven't been able to check e-mail for past couple of days. Hate telnet. Hate having to read more than one digest, cuz even though it's called a digest, it's hard to digest that many at once. Danmac... as a straight girl, i enjoyed reading your post about homosexuality. I try to be open minded about things, and the fact is, I don't konw what it's like to be black or gay or any other kind of stigmatized person, and I don't even know if the stigma exist for a reason. I can pretend that I love all my brothers and sisters, but when it comes down to it, I've not walked a day in your shoes. I probably harbor prejudice that I don't know i harbor... like unconcious prejudice, you know? And I just like reading things that people write, because I realize that you know, we're all people. Even in this paragraph, I am saying things that are signs of an unintentional prejudice, because I'm singling out gruops of people like they are different. This isn't what I'm tryin ot say. What I'm tryin to say is that society has TOLD us that there is a normal and an abnormal, so that's going to be how I inevitably refer to things, even though I don't want to and I hope that I don't honestly think that way. I mean I hop that it's just a surface thing. Well no, this isn't what i mean either. I mean that... everyone is different i think... sort of... i mean many people are different, but oh fuck it. I can't say what I'm trying to say. Honestly, I'm fascinat3ed by homosexuality. Not in that kind of way!!! No like my new boyfriend's sister is a lesbian and she has a girlfriend, and it's just weird... like I tryi to imagine liking women, and I just can't,b ut I want to be able to, just cuz I want to relate to everybody. I mean I guess it's the same3 as wanting to relate to a straight guy. Hmm. Okay I've talked myself into a corner. No like I've already got plenty in common with a nother woman, but most women are romantically interested in men, and i just want to know what it's like to not feel that way, you know? But I can't conceive of it, so it fascinetes me. The same way that like... it fascinates me that people like canteloupe and honeydew, cuz those two things make me puke if i think about them, much less eat them. It's so hard to imagine that other people actually enjoy that shit, and i just wonder how the fuck someone can, cuz i can't conceive of it cuz i don't, you know? I can only put myself in someone else's shoes to the extent that oh fuck i have no coherent trian of thought. forget this whole post, but i'm posting it anyway cuz i want to say hello to the list, and i don't want to start a new damned post, and it's telnet and pine so i can't just use my mouse to delet, and i just ugh. bye, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:24 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: raymond lew Subject: nyc phfest! more tabs... alright! i'm psyched to meet everyone (or at least the "everyone" that will be meeting on saturday...not exactly everyone, more like some-of-us-one. anyways...). i'll be coming from new jersey, through penn station--i think i'll have to figure out some kinda subway thing, but oh well. hopefully i won't get lost. INSANELY jealous of everyone seeing liz tonight, although i think it's kinda sad that they'll probably be mostly a bunch of corporate suits there and not too many true fans, but what can you do? recently tabbed: rocket boy, i'll get you high, wasted, flower (flower?) soon-to-be tabbed (hopefully): dance of the seven veils, stratford-on-guy shit, i forgot my paycheck at work. hope no one takes it. ...ray ND: girlysounds for kurt (2nd of 6 tapes) **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:16:42 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: laura nappi Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #169 liz is playing in new york? i haven't gotten a chance to read any digests, can someone please tell me asap where and when liz is playing????? - -laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:17:26 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Pat Smalley" Subject: Oi! Ginz wrote, ''I personally think Charmed....as well as Buffy are terrible shows.'' Nooooooooooooooooo you are wrong,Buffy is the best TV show EVER, EVER. Take your words back you bad person. I am so angry I'm practicly rabid,Grrrrrrr. Marky. Sorry for the lack of Liz content. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:25:08 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Please read! [I posted this quite some time ago, but thought a repost of it now would be appropiate. All of these things are just common sense, and have all been said several times before. Sorry to always be harping about this, but maintaining the list can be time-consuming, and it can be a little frustrating for me when people don't make an effort to post correctly, which ends up creating more work for me. - JL] Hey everyone, Usually I'm fairly easy-going as the owner of this mailing list, but at this time, I would like to make a few requests of everyone: 1. If you have multiple email accounts, please remember to post from the one you use to subscribe to the list. Otherwise your messages will just bounce to me and will not make it to the list until I have a chance to forward them. 2. Do not send unsubscribe requests to the list. 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These messages do bounce from the list for a reason, and once again, won't make it through until I have a chance to forward them myself after deleting the HTML content. If you are using any mail program built into a web browser (IE, Netscape, etc.), make sure your options are set for 'plain-text' only. 4. Please use common sense when posting. For example, if your signature file is longer than your message itself, please do not include it. Also, be responsible when quoting from previous digests. Include just enough so that people can see what you are responding to and can easily follow the thread, but do not quote excessively or unnecessarily. Whatever you do, DO NOT quote the entire previous digest -- common sense should dictate that no one really needs to read the entire previous digest again. These messages are always too long for the listserve to handle and will only bounce to me anyway, but if they were to go through, you can bet a lot of people would be annoyed by this needless cluttering of the list. 5. Make sure you send all messages for the list to , which is the address for posting. Do not send them to any other variation of this address, such as or . These just send the messages directly to me, not to the list. I'm sorry if this comes off as being a little harsh -- I really hate playing the bad guy, but it seemed that a refresher on list etiquette was needed. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:29:19 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: FWD: Message posted to incorrect list address From: "MrE" Subject: some stuff and other things Warning! Be advised that the following content has little or no redeemable value and cannot be used as legal currency. please check with your local/regional regulatory agencies or seek private consultation with a trusted psychoanalytical professional prior to personal consumption or usage other than external. Thank you. having been asked the following (sooner or later) question an inexplicable number of times in recent days, i feel obliged in a compulsive albeit obsessive way to issue an answer. in that there is no seemingly coherent reason for it having been asked in the primary, there is in like manner no particularly good reason to respond other than just because. so, with that in mind, has anyone other than MrdElussioned turned on the radio of late and heard a somewhat less than angelic voice present this warbled and nocent little query: "is this real or am i dreaming?" never one to just let an inanity go by without trying to prove myself equal to it, i respond as follows: dear mr matthews, although i sense the urgency of sexual deprivation and as a male (you're a guy...right?) do after a fashion identify with at least an occasional period of said deprivation, i find there to be no validity in either your attempt to entertain or your incessant yodelesque whining. in fact, i find you to be an affront not merely to the male (you are a guy...right?) of the species but to most all of humanity as well. therefore, in reply, i conclude that you are not merely dreaming but in fact do not even exist. now please go away. sincerely, really sincerely, Momus - -----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~---- - -~-----~ "Not only is life a bitch, it has puppies." -- Adrienne E. Gusoff - -----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~---- - -~-----~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:33:52 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: FWD: Message posted to incorrect list address From: "MrE" Subject: dear mr marlatt, please forgive the error of my waste Mike Marlatt: please please PLEASE and PPPLEASE do not 'crush me' for my lack of reverence toward the dave matthews or his/her band. and as a gesture of good will, please feel free to make fun of any one of the following: nirvana maria mckee p j harvey sleater-kinney mazzy star >Subject: HotBoyTwo2 -- I'll get you!!! >~jaime* ...i swear i wasn't even there, and even if i had been, she looked at least 18... >Subject: wesley willis >liz b. ...awe come on! what's not to like about a really huge guy prone to violent psychotic episodes that writes songs about most any given subject ranging from bowel movements to radio personalities...which come to think of it, are one and the same... and some one listed led zep 4 (runes) as a high school (90-94)fave and i just laughed my little cracker ass off. not that your taste in music is not quality for runes is one of the greats...its just that when it came out, as in original release, i was in high school... Momus - -----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~---- - -~----"Not only is life a bitch, it has puppies." -- Adrienne E. Gusoff - -----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~-----~---- - -~---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:14:40 -0500 From: deadgirl@garbage.com Subject: ahh yes, my turn 1. Jewel- Everything Breaks 2. Jewel- Flower 3. Liz Phair- Canary 4. Liz Phair- Support System 5. Tori Amos- Rassperry Swirl 6. NIN- Heresy 7. Rage Against the Machine- Killing in the Name 8. Chainsaw Kittens- I Feel Like a Drugstore 9. Beck- Satan Gave me Taco 10. Darc'y October- Hate You More well i'm still in adolecence i guess. . .oh well. . . love, peace, and all that hippy crap, Taryn Sexi, the off the wall angel, and free thinker "f*ck you very much"- ani defranco - ------------------------------- To get your free email account, go to: http://www.garbagemail.com Garbage Merchandise Now Avalailable Online at http://www.garbage.com Garbage Mail is a service of Electric Artists and OneSoft. - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #170 ************************************